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Post by SharksFan99 on Mar 25, 2018 23:59:46 GMT 10
I've been meaning to create a thread based on this topic for quite a while, but I had never got around to doing so. If you had to pick songs which truly ushered in the music/sound of the following decade, which songs would you pick? Keep in mind that the songs listed under each decade are for the decade that chronologically followed it (i.e "The One I Love" is listed under the '80s, but it's used as an example for it's role in introducing "'90s-style" music).
1970s:
Song: "Video Killed The Radio Star" - The Buggles Released: 1979
I think you could make a case for quite a number of hit singles from the late 1970s as ushering in '80s music, such as "Heart of Glass", "My Sharona" and "Cars". However, I decided to go with "Video Killed The Radio Star", as it was truly influential in a number of ways. Not only was it the first music video broadcast on MTV, a pop cultural icon of the 1980s, it is noteworthy for it's lyrical themes, which address the positives and concerns of the impact of modern technology. "Video Killed The Radio Star" is also notable for being one of the songs which popularized new-wave in the mainstream.
1980s:
Song: "The One I Love" - R.E.M Released: 1987
Although it completely flopped in my own country, it's chart success overseas and overall influence to the music scene cannot be denied, which is why I decided to select it. "The One I Love" was the single which introduced audiences to alternative-rock, a genre which would go on to define the following decade.
1990s:
Song: "...Baby One More Time" - Britney Spears Released: 1998
"...Baby One More Time" not only ushered in the teen-pop movement and Y2K culture, in general, it also started the career of one of the most defining pop stars of the 2000s.
2000s:
Song: "Just Dance" - Lady Gaga Released: 2008
"Bad Romance" and "Poker Face" are more often remembered for their role in electropop emerging into the mainstream, but many people tend to forget that "Just Dance" was in fact the song which was largely responsible for the genre's breakthrough. It was Lady Gaga's debut single.
2010s:
It's still too early to determine which song will be defined for truly ushering in 2020s music. From a March 2018 perspective, it's possible that these songs may be potential candidates:
* "Zombie" - Bad Wolves:
"Zombie" has arguably been the most successful guitar-driven rock song in several years. It is currently in the Top-10 of many iTunes charts around the world, and it is now debuting on Singles Charts. As of the 26th March, "Zombie" is currently at #51 in Australia, #54 in the US and #68 in Canada. If the 2020s are in the form of a backlash against the 2010s, it's possible that rock music may make a comeback of sorts in the decade.
"Filthy" - Justin Timberlake
While it's success on the charts was relatively short-lived, "Filthy" may one day be remembered for introducing audiences to electro-funk.
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Post by #Infinity on Mar 26, 2018 5:59:09 GMT 10
1960s:
In particular, Miles Davis' Kind of Blue album was critical in introducing modal jazz to the mainstream, making it the dominant sound to movie and television soundtracks in the 1960s. Jazz may not have been pop anymore by this point in time, but songs like "So What" were still critical in shaping the '60s atmosphere.
For an example of more traditional '60s pop music finding its presence for the first time, I would point to this song, released in mid-1962. The first single by the Beatles came out a few months later, but Peter, Paul & Mary's rendition of "If I Had a Hammer" was really the first major single to embody the loose, folksy, socially conscious, counterculture spirit that came to really define the 1960s. Plenty more songs came out this decade with more than a faint resemblance to "If I Had a Hammer", and Peter Paul & Mary even scored a huge hit at the end of the decade with "Leaving On a Jet Plane".
1970s:
This type of hard rock, which first appeared on Led Zeppelin's debut album from the very beginning of 1969, was thicker and harder than anything that came before it and ultimately influenced lots of music from the '70s.
This came out in late 1968. In my opinion, it was really the first funk song to progress beyond the genre's primitive '60s origins with artists like James Brown and to actually really hold a slow, slick, tight groove and wasn't austere like its predecessors. Lots of music from the early '70s sounded like "Soulful Strut", and plenty others from later in the decade retained at least a decent link to its juicily funky sound. When I first heard this track at a young age, I was genuinely surprised to find out it was from the late '60s, since it very much clashed with what '60s music was in my mind.
1980s:
Some have described this as disco, but there's no doubt it had a futuristic new wave flashiness that really stuck out for 1978 and early 1979. There were other songs from earlier in the '70s that employed synthesizers, but in those, they were either used extremely sparingly or were for primarily ambient, non-pop compositions.
1990s:
This is from 1989. It was the first song to say, full on, out with the hard, cold, echoey '80s sound and in with the soft, smooth, lushly hip hop-oriented style. '90s pop in general owes quite a bit to this song, in my opinion.
2000s:
This was Timbaland's breakthrough production, and it was also the first really big song with a distinctly 2000s flavour. The smooth funkiness of '90s r&b was completely gone, and in its place wre hard, shuffling, heavily-syncopated club beats with a more confrontational swagger, emphasizing rhythm more than melody. "If Your Girl Only Knew" was a huge anomaly for 1996, yet it came to influence countless pop songs from the early 2000s. Even a lot of late 2000s r&b, though sonically evolved, can at least trace some of its methodology to this song.
This, more or less, was the beginning of post-post-grunge. The genre was no longer trying even remotely to capture the spirit of its '90s predecessor and was instead employing the instrumentation and vocal style purely for arena-filling commercial extravaganza.
2010s:
I guess "Just Dance", although to be honest, it sounds pretty dated today. For mid-2010s music specifically, I'd probably say "Royals" by Lorde.
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Post by #Infinity on Mar 26, 2018 6:03:01 GMT 10
1990s:Song: "...Baby One More Time" - Britney Spears Released: 1998"...Baby One More Time" not only ushered in the teen-pop movement and Y2K culture, in general, it also started the career of one of the most defining pop stars of the 2000s. That song is still rather '90s, I think. Y2K teen pop became outdated and uncool as soon as 2002 hit, as I remember it. Also, there was already another huge song from 1997 with very similar production to teen pop era Britney: While "Baby One More Time" was probably the first true anthem of the Millennial Generation, it did not introduce the 2000s sound.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Mar 26, 2018 9:45:44 GMT 10
That song is still rather '90s, I think. Y2K teen pop became outdated and uncool as soon as 2002 hit, as I remember it. Also, there was already another huge song from 1997 with very similar production to teen pop era Britney: While "Baby One More Time" was probably the first true anthem of the Millennial Generation, it did not introduce the 2000s sound. That's a good point. I think the song has production similarities to songs released in the 2000s, however it does sound distinctively '90s/Y2K.
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Post by longaotian on Mar 26, 2018 12:32:00 GMT 10
1990s:Song: "...Baby One More Time" - Britney Spears Released: 1998"...Baby One More Time" not only ushered in the teen-pop movement and Y2K culture, in general, it also started the career of one of the most defining pop stars of the 2000s. That song is still rather '90s, I think. Y2K teen pop became outdated and uncool as soon as 2002 hit, as I remember it. Also, there was already another huge song from 1997 with very similar production to teen pop era Britney: While "Baby One More Time" was probably the first true anthem of the Millennial Generation, it did not introduce the 2000s sound. Hmm, when I hear "Baby One More Time" I always associate it more with 2000s culture and music more than 90s. Even if Y2K Teen pop didn't make it past 2001 in the US or past 2003 internationally, it had a bigger impact on the culture of that decade imo.
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Post by #Infinity on Mar 26, 2018 14:55:56 GMT 10
Hmm, when I hear "Baby One More Time" I always associate it more with 2000s culture and music more than 90s. Even if Y2K Teen pop didn't make it past 2001 in the US or past 2003 internationally, it had a bigger impact on the culture of that decade imo. The thing is, Y2K teen pop did not start with Britney Spears at the turn of 1999. Rather, it took off roughly with the Spice Girls in mid-1996 in Europe and in early 1997 in the US. Right around the same time that the Spices blew up, a whole bunch of other significant late '90s teen pop music acts became really popular, such as the Backstreet Boys, Savage Garden, Hanson, 911, *NSYNC (they were already popular in Germany and Switzerland in 1996, but even elsewhere they still beat Britney Spears to fame), 5ive, 98 Degrees, Human Nature, Robyn, and several others still. Early Britney Spears was more the late climax of '90s pop than the start of something completely different.
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Post by longaotian on Mar 26, 2018 15:14:32 GMT 10
Hmm, when I hear "Baby One More Time" I always associate it more with 2000s culture and music more than 90s. Even if Y2K Teen pop didn't make it past 2001 in the US or past 2003 internationally, it had a bigger impact on the culture of that decade imo. The thing is, Y2K teen pop did not start with Britney Spears at the turn of 1999. Rather, it took off roughly with the Spice Girls in mid-1996 in Europe and in early 1997 in the US. Right around the same time that the Spices blew up, a whole bunch of other significant late '90s teen pop music acts became really popular, such as the Backstreet Boys, Savage Garden, Hanson, 911, *NSYNC (they were already popular in Germany and Switzerland in 1996, but even elsewhere they still beat Britney Spears to fame), 5ive, 98 Degrees, Human Nature, Robyn, and several others still. Early Britney Spears was more the late climax of '90s pop than the start of something completely different. Yeah I know the teen pop trend actually started way back in 1996 but in my opinion it's abit different, the way I see it there was the late 90s teen pop that was popular from about mid 1996 to around mid 1998 and was popular with all the artists you mentioned and (while it's all pretty generic pop) then I consider the era from about the end of 1998 with the release of "Baby One More Time" and Britney Spears to be the true Y2K teen pop (rather than late 90s), when it was at it's peak. I also think they chnaged their style a little. It then came to a end sometime during 2001 when they started changing their image/music and was no longer at its peak, but would last another 2 years outside North America.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Mar 26, 2018 15:18:54 GMT 10
Hmm, when I hear "Baby One More Time" I always associate it more with 2000s culture and music more than 90s. Even if Y2K Teen pop didn't make it past 2001 in the US or past 2003 internationally, it had a bigger impact on the culture of that decade imo. The thing is, Y2K teen pop did not start with Britney Spears at the turn of 1999. Rather, it took off roughly with the Spice Girls in mid-1996 in Europe and in early 1997 in the US. Right around the same time that the Spices blew up, a whole bunch of other significant late '90s teen pop music acts became really popular, such as the Backstreet Boys, Savage Garden, Hanson, 911, *NSYNC (they were already popular in Germany and Switzerland in 1996, but even elsewhere they still beat Britney Spears to fame), 5ive, 98 Degrees, Human Nature, Robyn, and several others still. Early Britney Spears was more the late climax of '90s pop than the start of something completely different. I'm not sure if I would really regard Savage Garden as being a teen-pop group, to be honest. I know the lyrical themes of their songs are similar to Y2K teen-pop acts, but they were generally more of a pop-rock band.
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Post by #Infinity on Mar 26, 2018 17:41:22 GMT 10
The thing is, Y2K teen pop did not start with Britney Spears at the turn of 1999. Rather, it took off roughly with the Spice Girls in mid-1996 in Europe and in early 1997 in the US. Right around the same time that the Spices blew up, a whole bunch of other significant late '90s teen pop music acts became really popular, such as the Backstreet Boys, Savage Garden, Hanson, 911, *NSYNC (they were already popular in Germany and Switzerland in 1996, but even elsewhere they still beat Britney Spears to fame), 5ive, 98 Degrees, Human Nature, Robyn, and several others still. Early Britney Spears was more the late climax of '90s pop than the start of something completely different. I'm not sure if I would really regard Savage Garden as being a teen-pop group, to be honest. I know the lyrical themes of their songs are similar to Y2K teen-pop acts, but they were generally more of a pop-rock band. It depends on the song, but I would definitely categorize "I Want You", "Truly Madly Deeply", "The Animal Song", and "I Knew I Love You" as teen pop songs. Stuff like "Crash and Burn", "To the Moon & Back", and their cover of "Break Me Shake Me" are definitely more pop rock-oriented, but the former four songs are pure pop. The thing is, Y2K teen pop did not start with Britney Spears at the turn of 1999. Rather, it took off roughly with the Spice Girls in mid-1996 in Europe and in early 1997 in the US. Right around the same time that the Spices blew up, a whole bunch of other significant late '90s teen pop music acts became really popular, such as the Backstreet Boys, Savage Garden, Hanson, 911, *NSYNC (they were already popular in Germany and Switzerland in 1996, but even elsewhere they still beat Britney Spears to fame), 5ive, 98 Degrees, Human Nature, Robyn, and several others still. Early Britney Spears was more the late climax of '90s pop than the start of something completely different. Yeah I know the teen pop trend actually started way back in 1996 but in my opinion it's abit different, the way I see it there was the late 90s teen pop that was popular from about mid 1996 to around mid 1998 and was popular with all the artists you mentioned and (while it's all pretty generic pop) then I consider the era from about the end of 1998 with the release of "Baby One More Time" and Britney Spears to be the true Y2K teen pop (rather than late 90s), when it was at it's peak. I also think they chnaged their style a little. It then came to a end sometime during 2001 when they started changing their image/music and was no longer at its peak, but would last another 2 years outside North America. How is it really that different? I agree that teen pop's commercial peak was from "Baby One More Time" to 9/11, but stylistically, it was barely distinct from what came before and certainly nowhere near enough an excuse to justify "Baby One More Time" as the song that specifically ushered in the 2000s sound while something like "Show Me Love" is apparently '90s, despite also being produced by Max Martin and being really no different at all stylistically. The only major difference between 1996-1998 teen pop and 1999-2001 teen pop is that more songs from the latter era followed the Timbaland example of being less swung and more syncopated. Regardless, plenty of teen pop hits from the Y2K era could have easily been released in 1997 or early 1998 and not been super groundbreaking. "Genie In a Bottle" is a pretty good example of distinctly Y2K teen pop, but "Baby One More Time" is really just a more popular version of "Show Me Love". I should also ask, are "I Want You Back", "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)", and "No Matter What" '90s characteristically songs while "Bye Bye Bye", "Larger Than Life", and "Swear It Again" stylistically 2000s songs?
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Post by SharksFan99 on Mar 26, 2018 18:09:40 GMT 10
It depends on the song, but I would definitely categorize "I Want You", "Truly Madly Deeply", "The Animal Song", and "I Knew I Love You" as teen pop songs. Stuff like "Crash and Burn", "To the Moon & Back", and their cover of "Break Me Shake Me" are definitely more pop rock-oriented, but the former four songs are pure pop. I see your point, but were they ever marketed or even perceived as being a teen-pop band? Maybe they were/are perceived that way in America, but based on reviews I have read from music critics and journalists alike, they are more often categorised as being a pop-rock band. I can't say that I have ever heard anyone group Savage Garden with Y2K teen-pop artists such as Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. I'm not doubting the fact that "I Want You", "Truly Madly Deeply", "The Animal Song" and "I Knew I Love You" are pop songs. I just personally don't think the four songs (or any of Savage Garden's songs, to be honest) were marketed to the same demographic that songs such as "Genie in a Bottle", "Bring It All Back" and "Oops...I Did It Again" were targeted at, even if the lyrical themes of the songs have similarities. Is "Baby One More Time" really all that different from "Genie In a Bottle" though? I wouldn't really say that one is distinctively more '90s than the other, considering the fact that they have similar production and were released in the Y2K cultural era. They were both marketed to the same demographic.
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Post by #Infinity on Mar 26, 2018 19:18:37 GMT 10
It depends on the song, but I would definitely categorize "I Want You", "Truly Madly Deeply", "The Animal Song", and "I Knew I Love You" as teen pop songs. Stuff like "Crash and Burn", "To the Moon & Back", and their cover of "Break Me Shake Me" are definitely more pop rock-oriented, but the former four songs are pure pop. I see your point, but were they ever marketed or even perceived as being a teen-pop band? Maybe they were/are perceived that way in America, but based on reviews I have read from music critics and journalists alike, they are more often categorised as being a pop-rock band. I can't say that I have ever heard anyone group Savage Garden with Y2K teen-pop artists such as Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. I'm not doubting the fact that "I Want You", "Truly Madly Deeply", "The Animal Song" and "I Knew I Love You" are pop songs. I just personally don't think the four songs (or any of Savage Garden's songs, to be honest) were marketed to the same demographic that songs such as "Genie in a Bottle", "Bring It All Back" and "Oops...I Did It Again" were targeted at, even if the lyrical themes of the songs have similarities. I'm surprised you keep saying all this because I vaguely remember you mentioning, during a discussion we had about how the late '90s took longer to start in Australia than America and the UK, that Savage Garden were sort of the start of late '90s bubblegum pop in Australia. Whatever the case, they've certainly earned a reputation here in America for being super cheesy, unironic pop targeted largely to the same tween girls who listened to Hanson and the Backstreet Boys. But they don't have similar production, really. "Baby One More Time" has a much more straightforward beat, reminiscent of '90s pop, just produced by Max Martin. It distinctly resembles "Show Me Love", which came out in 1997. "Genie In a Bottle" has a completely different beat, full of heavy syncopation and even some 24th notes thrown in. It's much closer to 2000s music in that it has a more complex drumbeat. It doesn't matter that it was marketed to the same demographic as Britney Spears' songs if it's decade's sound that we're focusing on. "Baby One More Time" was revolutionary only in the hype that surrounded it, not its groundbreaking style. Its music video was a lot more eye-opening than the one for "Show Me Love", not to mention Britney was from the same small town as Brandy instead of being a singer imported from Sweden.
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Post by longaotian on Mar 26, 2018 20:42:59 GMT 10
But they don't have similar production, really. "Baby One More Time" has a much more straightforward beat, reminiscent of '90s pop, just produced by Max Martin. It distinctly resembles "Show Me Love", which came out in 1997. "Genie In a Bottle" has a completely different beat, full of heavy syncopation and even some 24th notes thrown in. It's much closer to 2000s music in that it has a more complex drumbeat. It doesn't matter that it was marketed to the same demographic as Britney Spears' songs if it's decade's sound that we're focusing on. "Baby One More Time" was revolutionary only in the hype that surrounded it, not its groundbreaking style. Its music video was a lot more eye-opening than the one for "Show Me Love", not to mention Britney was from the same small town as Brandy instead of being a singer imported from Sweden. I can definetly notices the differences between "Baby one more time" and "Genie in a Bottle", although tbh "Oops I did it Again" has a similar beat to the former imo. So I think the confusion might have been even though "Baby one more time" may not have been all that different sounding to previous late 90s pop, simply Becasue of the impact that it had and all that would come after it, it's more of a transition point into 2000s culture than the 2000s 'sound'. What I meant before was that I couldn't imagine 1999/2000 pop songs like "Genie in a bottle", "Bye Bye Bye" or "(You drive me) Crazy" being released in say, 1997.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Mar 26, 2018 21:26:08 GMT 10
I'm surprised you keep saying all this because I vaguely remember you mentioning, during a discussion we had about how the late '90s took longer to start in Australia than America and the UK, that Savage Garden were sort of the start of late '90s bubblegum pop in Australia. Whatever the case, they've certainly earned a reputation here in America for being super cheesy, unironic pop targeted largely to the same tween girls who listened to Hanson and the Backstreet Boys. But Bubblegum-Pop is not the same as Teen-Pop. Teen-Pop itself is a derivative genre of Bubblegum-Pop. The former is a more generic term used to describe pre-teen/teenage-targeted songs which borrow characteristics from a range from different genres/styles (such as pop punk, r&b etc.) , while the latter is purely defined by it's upbeat, cheery pop sound. Savage Garden's success did help start the Late '90s Bubblegum Pop movement in Australia, but that's primarily because their songs contain lyrical themes which are similar to Y2K Teen-Pop acts. Stylistically, however, they are more often regarded as a pop-rock group (or pop, in a more general sense) and I personally don't think they have much in common with artists such as Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. If anything, Savage Garden appealed more to an adult-contemporary audience than a pre-teen/teenage demographic.
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Post by #Infinity on Mar 26, 2018 23:42:15 GMT 10
But they don't have similar production, really. "Baby One More Time" has a much more straightforward beat, reminiscent of '90s pop, just produced by Max Martin. It distinctly resembles "Show Me Love", which came out in 1997. "Genie In a Bottle" has a completely different beat, full of heavy syncopation and even some 24th notes thrown in. It's much closer to 2000s music in that it has a more complex drumbeat. It doesn't matter that it was marketed to the same demographic as Britney Spears' songs if it's decade's sound that we're focusing on. "Baby One More Time" was revolutionary only in the hype that surrounded it, not its groundbreaking style. Its music video was a lot more eye-opening than the one for "Show Me Love", not to mention Britney was from the same small town as Brandy instead of being a singer imported from Sweden. I can definetly notices the differences between "Baby one more time" and "Genie in a Bottle", although tbh "Oops I did it Again" has a similar beat to the former imo. So I think the confusion might have been even though "Baby one more time" may not have been all that different sounding to previous late 90s pop, simply Becasue of the impact that it had and all that would come after it, it's more of a transition point into 2000s culture than the 2000s 'sound'. I figured that's probably what you meant, but I still see most people associate "Baby One More Time" with the late '90s and not the 2000s. It was released only in 1998, after all. I agree with the former two, but "(You Drive Me) Crazy" I don't think would sound that out of place at a couple years earlier because it's a post-new jack swing Max Martin production, sort of similar in that regard to "I Want You Back" and "Everybody (Backstreet's Back)". I'm surprised you keep saying all this because I vaguely remember you mentioning, during a discussion we had about how the late '90s took longer to start in Australia than America and the UK, that Savage Garden were sort of the start of late '90s bubblegum pop in Australia. Whatever the case, they've certainly earned a reputation here in America for being super cheesy, unironic pop targeted largely to the same tween girls who listened to Hanson and the Backstreet Boys. But Bubblegum-Pop is not the same as Teen-Pop. Teen-Pop itself is a derivative genre of Bubblegum-Pop. The former is a more generic term used to describe pre-teen/teenage-targeted songs which borrow characteristics from a range from different genres/styles (such as pop punk, r&b etc.) , while the latter is purely defined by it's upbeat, cheery pop sound. It's not precisely the same thing, but in general, it still targets a similar demographic. The Spice Girls were not technically teen pop, but they still tend to get categorized alongside other acts who do count as such because of the way they were marketed and the specific type of appeal they had.I certainly don't recall Savage Garden appealing to the same people who listened to Sarah McLachlan, Jewel, The Wallflowers, or Sheryl Crow. Even if some of their songs were more rock-oriented, they were still more targeted towards a pop audience.
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Post by TheUser98 on Apr 1, 2018 10:10:15 GMT 10
I'd say:
First Stylistically 50's Song: Goree Carter - Rock Awhile (1949)
First Stylistically 60's Song: Sam Cooke - Chain Gang (1960)
First Stylistically 70's Song: The Foundations - Build Me Up Buttercup (1968)
First Stylistically 80's Song: Giorgio Moroder - Chase (1978)
First Stylistically 90's Song: Inner City - Good Life (1988)
First Stylistically 00's Song: Blink-182 - Damnit (1997)
First Stylistically 10's Song: Lady Gaga - Just Dance (2008)
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