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Post by rainbow on Aug 10, 2018 11:42:05 GMT 10
I'm not sure if there is already a thread like this, but I decided to make it because I've been thinking about stigmas that society usually has and should get over. One that I've thought of is men crying. The fact that men crying is seen as weak is IMO one of the biggest stigmas that society really needs to get over. It's literally just an emotion that all humans have, and yes that includes men as well. I also think society should get over the stigma that people with autism are "weird" or "retarded". They are humans just like the rest of us.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 10, 2018 13:16:32 GMT 10
This ties back to the first point you made, but one stigma which I wish would go away is the subconscious mindset that men have to be tough and emotionless. Even though progress has been made in recent times to break down that archaic gender stereotype, there are still many people who deem it as being a sign of weakness.
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Post by rainbow on Aug 10, 2018 13:40:49 GMT 10
This ties back to the first point you made, but one stigma which I wish would go away is the subconscious mindset that men have to be tough and emotionless. Even though progress has been made in recent times to break down that archaic gender stereotype, there are still many people who deem it as being a sign of weakness. I agree. From my experience, as someone who has a lot of male friends, I've noticed that men are expected to act a certain way so they aren't considered "gay" or "weak" by society. For example, a woman hugging another woman wouldn't be considered "lesbian", but a man hugging another man would be considered "gay" and "weird". Wearing clothes like skinny jeans are sometimes considered gay on men where I'm at. Hanging out with only one male friend when you're a male is sometimes considered "gay" as well. You have to hang out with a gang of friends to be considered a real man. Men don't often get away with innocently talking to children, even if they know them or just trying to help them, without someone batting an eye and calling them a "pedophile". And also, a woman hitting a man isn't considered "harmful", but once a man hits a woman, everyone will make sure the man lives the worst life ever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2018 1:18:24 GMT 10
Agreed. Men are human too. Equality works both ways.
Society also needs to get over the fact that a poor socioeconomic background is not a bad thing. In fact, the entire so called class system needs to be abolished. There are no upper or lower classes, we are all equal.
And society should just accept that not everyone is interested in sex. People who aren't are given a worse reception than the most promiscuous. It's wrong that someone who is still a virgin at 50 is ridiculed while someone who gives birth at the age of 13 is untouchable and you are not allowed to call her derogatory names.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 12, 2018 23:29:50 GMT 10
I agree. From my experience, as someone who has a lot of male friends, I've noticed that men are expected to act a certain way so they aren't considered "gay" or "weak" by society. For example, a woman hugging another woman wouldn't be considered "lesbian", but a man hugging another man would be considered "gay" and "weird". Wearing clothes like skinny jeans are sometimes considered gay on men where I'm at. Hanging out with only one male friend when you're a male is sometimes considered "gay" as well. You have to hang out with a gang of friends to be considered a real man. Men don't often get away with innocently talking to children, even if they know them or just trying to help them, without someone batting an eye and calling them a "pedophile". And also, a woman hitting a man isn't considered "harmful", but once a man hits a woman, everyone will make sure the man lives the worst life ever. You're exactly right. It's interesting to hear that skinny jeans are sometimes perceived in that manner where you live, because skinny jeans are quite popular here and they have been for several years now. They are especially popular with teens and people in their early 20s. To be honest, I can't say that I know of anyone who has ever perceived skinny jeans as being "gay" at all. I personally don't like the look of skinny jeans (which is why I choose not to wear them), but I've never thought of them in that manner before.
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Post by Mibblez on Aug 14, 2018 10:11:41 GMT 10
Taken from a conversation I said on snapchat with rainbowA stigma I hate in society is the judgement some people get if they don’t “act there race”. It’s weird tho, like how in America (and also not just in US in some countries too so please don’t just talk about America as the damn only example please) lots of people expect a person to sound this race or act like it or something, like it annoys me sometimes that even people of my own race (African American) think I gotta be this way cause of my skin color or talk this way and that if I don’t I’m acting “white” or being a “traitor” or some shit. It isn’t just in the African American community I know, either way it pisses me off how people try to put a whole group of people into one definition by race to the point where people in this certain race do it to there own people, it’s hella ignorant. it makes me feel sometimes that im a complate outcast because I rarely get thosw “my brother” moments with anyone unless there just being normal nice human beings. Don’t be “your race” be yourself.
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Post by al on Aug 15, 2018 14:41:34 GMT 10
Society needs to get over that women grow body hair. Actually, it's really the women who call it "gross" or whatever on themselves (and others) who perpetuate this belief. You don't have to like it but it's nothing to be ashamed of either, especially when it's in the less discussed but still common areas, like the chin and moustache. I'm not saying people have to start going around being hairy, but I don't think we should pretend it's not there and worry about it being seen once in a while. Most guys shave their faces regularly, but everyone is aware, and few have reason to feel like it's something to hide or that they can't ever expose stubble. That said, men can get called "gay" for removing too much body hair, which is equally as dumb. Especially ironic when coming from women who remove theirs'. It's a personal preference that society has no place to dictate.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 16, 2018 12:08:13 GMT 10
Taken from a conversation I said on snapchat with rainbow A stigma I hate in society is the judgement some people get if they don’t “act there race”. It’s weird tho, like how in America (and also not just in US in some countries too so please don’t just talk about America as the damn only example please) lots of people expect a person to sound this race or act like it or something, like it annoys me sometimes that even people of my own race (African American) think I gotta be this way cause of my skin color or talk this way and that if I don’t I’m acting “white” or being a “traitor” or some shit. It isn’t just in the African American community I know, either way it pisses me off how people try to put a whole group of people into one definition by race to the point where people in this certain race do it to there own people, it’s hella ignorant. it makes me feel sometimes that im a complate outcast because I rarely get thosw “my brother” moments with anyone unless there just being normal nice human beings. Don’t be “your race” be yourself. People are just quick to judge on what they see and hear on face value, unfortunately. If something significantly contrasts with how they perceive a certain matter (in this case, how others expect people of a particular race to act), it's immediately deemed as being unacceptable. It's hypocritical, because we live in an era where archaic stereotypes and ways of thinking are being frowned upon. I personally think the media can also be blamed for this mindset. While this isn't so much the case in recent times, many movie producers and television executives rely on stereotypical behaviours/interests to define characters of a certain ethnicity, like the cliche of African-Americans calling everyone their "brother" or Asian people all being good at martial-art. As people have consumed those movies and TV shows, it has led to the greater population forming a mindset on what people of different races are like and more often than not, people don't question what they are led to believe. To them, what they are seeing in movies and TV shows is an accurate representation of different races. It's really a combination of general human behaviour and the manner in which the media have portrayed people of different ethnicites. The only way it's ever going to change is if the media makes progress in breaking down those racial stereotypes. We really need to see a change in the way people of a different race are represented. Instead of African Americans more often that not being associated with liking hip-hop or soul music, we should be seeing African-Americans also associated with liking rock music or electronic music. Society needs to get over that women grow body hair. Actually, it's really the women who call it "gross" or whatever on themselves (and others) who perpetuate this belief. You don't have to like it but it's nothing to be ashamed of either, especially when it's in the less discussed but still common areas, like the chin and moustache. I'm not saying people have to start going around being hairy, but I don't think we should pretend it's not there and worry about it being seen once in a while. Most guys shave their faces regularly, but everyone is aware, and few have reason to feel like it's something to hide or that they can't ever expose stubble. That said, men can get called "gay" for removing too much body hair, which is equally as dumb. Especially ironic when coming from women who remove theirs'. It's a personal preference that society has no place to dictate. I agree. People should be free to express themselves however they wish and if that means women deciding to grow body hair, they should be able to do so. There are plenty of women out there who do choose to grow body hair. This is going back a few years now, but when I was 13, I remember seeing a woman (who was a worker at the waterslide park I was at) in her early-mid 20s with completely unshaven legs. She was wearing shorts, so she was obviously comfortable with how she looked. I must admit, I thought it did look a bit gross and I would still think of it in that way, but i'm not going to judge them (or any women who decides to grow body hair) for it. It's their life, they can do as they wish.
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Post by al on Aug 20, 2018 12:42:32 GMT 10
And that's just the thing, in life there's always going to be lots of things we find unappealing, but why should we be allowed to patrol each other? I think McDonald's is gross, but I just don't go there. If somebody I know does, well, I might not trust their taste in food lol, but why would I care? Part of the problem is people viewing others like the world is their dating game show, as if their opinion matters. Especially when it comes to the gendered elements of appearance. Ask out who you find attractive, that's fine. But it shouldn't have to be everybody's prerogative to be universally appealing.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 20, 2018 12:52:28 GMT 10
And that's just the thing, in life there's always going to be lots of things we find unappealing, but why should we be allowed to patrol each other? I think McDonald's is gross, but I just don't go there. If somebody I know does, well, I might not trust their taste in food lol, but why would I care? Part of the problem is people viewing others like the world is their dating game show, as if their opinion matters. Especially when it comes to the gendered elements of appearance. Ask out who you find attractive, that's fine. But it shouldn't have to be everybody's prerogative to be universally appealing. I wholeheartedly agree. There is no universal critique on what is or what isn't considered appealing; it's entirely subjective. The trouble is that many people like to judge without taking into account the feelings/thoughts of the other person. I honestly can't see the mindset of 'patrolling' ever changing, unfortunately, because for every good person in the world, there is always a rotten apple who doesn't care about offending others for their own personal gain. People are more often than not likely to place their own values above those of others and that's why we live in a society where people need to conform in order for them not to be deemed as unappealing or unattractive.
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Post by al on Aug 20, 2018 14:51:50 GMT 10
And that's just the thing, in life there's always going to be lots of things we find unappealing, but why should we be allowed to patrol each other? I think McDonald's is gross, but I just don't go there. If somebody I know does, well, I might not trust their taste in food lol, but why would I care? Part of the problem is people viewing others like the world is their dating game show, as if their opinion matters. Especially when it comes to the gendered elements of appearance. Ask out who you find attractive, that's fine. But it shouldn't have to be everybody's prerogative to be universally appealing. I wholeheartedly agree. There is no universal critique on what is or what isn't considered appealing; it's entirely subjective. The trouble is that many people like to judge without taking into account the feelings/thoughts of the other person. I honestly can't see the mindset of 'patrolling' ever changing, unfortunately, because for every good person in the world, there is always a rotten apple who doesn't care about offending others for their own personal gain. People are more often than not likely to place their own values above those of others and that's why we live in a society where people need to conform in order for them not to be deemed as unappealing or unattractive. Unfortunately it becomes a slippery slope. If others are allowed to create their own code of conduct instead of following the written one, then nobody has to. And then the worlds of those vain and judgmental people start to crumble. They have to retain there being a point to everything they say and believe, otherwise they no longer have any clout and nothing to make them "better" than those they shun. But of course, if they just minded their own business in the first place, none of this would have to happen.
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