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Post by longaotian on Oct 28, 2018 14:04:03 GMT 10
I feel as if theres only one (three max) members on this forum I ever talk to.
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Post by #Infinity on Oct 28, 2018 14:10:28 GMT 10
A big reason I struggled so long with my self confidence is due to feeling that nobody appreciated me for having enlightened or interesting taste in anything. Nobody likes eurobeat, they just see it as Japanese meme music, which is a disgusting simplification, but of course, everyone always prefers their shallow pop rap. They completely overlook the melodic and chord intricacies of the genre, fail to appreciate its richly textured and energetic production, and instead hear nothing but "LET'S SUPER FIRE DESIRE!!!" or the like. I feel a genuine kinship with eurobeat but have always felt its reputation, in musical terms, is akin to minstrel shows. Even my parents hate the genre, and I'm assuming that's a big reason my dad told me to "grow up" and get a real job when I made it clear I wish to be a eurobeat music producer in the long run. My whole life has been a long streak of not being understood or appreciated and only left in the dust, which is exactly the fate eurobeat has suffered everywhere except for Japan.
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Post by #Infinity on Oct 28, 2018 14:45:30 GMT 10
Whenever I mention my love of eurobeat on these forums, nobody takes interest and nobody wants to even acknowledge it, with the exception of when I shared "Beyond My Heart". I assume all of you just see the music as too stupid to take seriously and that you're all too cool for it.
It really does hurt. Too bad there's nothing I can do about it.
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Post by #Infinity on Oct 28, 2018 14:48:49 GMT 10
I'm such a freak.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Oct 28, 2018 14:51:23 GMT 10
Whenever I mention my love of eurobeat on these forums, nobody takes interest and nobody wants to even acknowledge it, with the exception of when I shared "Beyond My Heart". I assume all of you just see the music as too stupid to take seriously and that you're all too cool for it. It really does hurt. Too bad there's nothing I can do about it. I don't think of Eurobeat as being too stupid to take seriously. I would be more than happy to have conversations with you about Eurobeat; it's just that I don't really know too much about the genre. However, I wouldn't mind learning more about it, because i'm a big fan of music in general and I always like to research new information about different things.
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Post by #Infinity on Oct 28, 2018 14:51:35 GMT 10
...Feels often like I'm being transported right back to that time of utter isolation and condescending scorn just for liking what I like...
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Post by SharksFan99 on Oct 28, 2018 14:54:37 GMT 10
I feel as if theres only one (three max) members on this forum I ever talk to. Yeah, even I've got to admit, I do wish people would post more often at times. It would be great if there was a way to unify the community more, so that people don't feel alienanted or ignored.
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Post by #Infinity on Oct 28, 2018 14:54:44 GMT 10
Whenever I mention my love of eurobeat on these forums, nobody takes interest and nobody wants to even acknowledge it, with the exception of when I shared "Beyond My Heart". I assume all of you just see the music as too stupid to take seriously and that you're all too cool for it. It really does hurt. Too bad there's nothing I can do about it. I don't think of Eurobeat as being too stupid to take seriously. I would be more than happy to have conversations with you about Eurobeat; it's just that I don't really know too much about the genre. However, I wouldn't mind learning more about it, because i'm a big fan of music in general and I always like to research new information about different things. It's been a very rough time for the genre, and a lot of us are discouraged at the thought of it ever spreading to a wider audience. I personally feel so emotionally scarred by my lack of a real world community to share my love of the genre with that it has really motivated me to produce the music myself and communicate everything I love about it to those who previously didn't know everything there is to it beyond just the viral memes a few of its songs got attached to. In fact, a lot of eurobeat is produced and written in such ways that communicate moods that aren't simply over-the-top hyperactive, but it's just forgotten about or tragically boxed with anime music, without people realizing how much more there is to it.
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Post by #Infinity on Oct 28, 2018 14:57:42 GMT 10
I actually invited a longtime musical connection I've had, who I met right before starting high school (she went to my high school with me and was a grade higher), because I wanted her to lend her vocals to a new eurobeat song I wrote and am producing, but she turned down the offer. This really hurt me because she had been so inspirational to me and she basically confirmed my worst fear, that as a singer/songwriter, she's apparently too cool to record eurobeat again, even if I make a point to show her the more meaningful stuff. If I seem sensitive and butt-hurt about nobody taking eurobeat seriously, this is a big reason why, in addition to the industry being kind of dry for releases in the pats couple of months.
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Post by longaotian on Oct 28, 2018 14:59:32 GMT 10
Lack of mainstream appeal. People in 2018 seem to only like trap/edm.
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Post by #Infinity on Oct 28, 2018 15:13:54 GMT 10
This song here, in my opinion, is the ultimate example of how much more eurobeat is to me than just loud, energetic dance music. I know I shared it with you in a PM before, in addition to listing it as my #1 favourite song of 1997, but it's just an impeccable masterpiece that is far more sophisticated than whatever people dismiss the eurobeat genre as a whole to be. There's a delicate craft to making this music really stand out, and as far as slower, more contemplative eurobeat songs go, this is the very height of the genre for me. Here, the busy, uptempo beat is employed as a pulse, intended to propel the song in forward motion; it isn't just a narcotic for the sake of cheese. The lyrics are lavishly coloured with both poetic summaries ("boulevard of broken dreams, I walk in disillusion"), as well as intimate details ("If you got me on my knees", "look into my eyes"), and on a whole resonate incredibly deeply with anybody in my shoes, who feels emotionally blistered by the disheartening truths of the world but is passionately determined to hold onto the inner light that carries them forward, regardless of the struggle.
I know I've praised S Club 7's "Bring It All Back" as the ultimate feel-good song in the past, but frankly, that track only works if you're only mildly down on yourself, since the singers are in such a high and happy place themselves that they aren't on the same level as those they're trying to help. Only a song like this, which lucidly intercepts the decaying melancholy that any depressed person experiences, can start on the right foot, empathizing with the weary listener, and from there build a dynamic and swelling stream of emotion to uplift them. "Bring It All Back" may be the perfect candy, but "Story of My Life" is a spiritual journey, encapsulated into music. I listened to this song numerous times throughout college, during which I felt completely lost and isolated as a person, and this just felt both pillowy, as well as yearningly intense. It was such a natural song for me to fall back on whenever I needed music in my life.
I may speak about it to absurd degree, but that's only because I genuinely feel there is artistic value in songs such as it, which rival all of the classic and alternative rock and singer/songwriter ballads that receive all the traditional praise. Yes, it has a dance beat at a relative fast tempo, but it's used to the right effect. The various layers, from the soft, echoing synths, to the percussive pianos, to the rhythmic organs, to the lavish strings, all form a piece that is textured, yet elegant all the same time. If only people could look beyond the "Maharaja Night" logo slapped on the cover, the non-American or British accent, or anything else that automatically turns them back towards their Beatles, Drake, Pink Floyd, indie rock, or whatever...sigh...
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Post by #Infinity on Oct 28, 2018 15:16:44 GMT 10
Lack of mainstream appeal. People in 2018 seem to only like trap/edm. The current age for music is just really dark. Even though trap and EDM are the dominant trends, most people either listen to niche genres or don't follow music altogether, opting to spend their free time "binge-watching" (yecch) television shows. Younger generations took the music piracy issue really lightly and had no idea how catastrophic the issue would be to the relevance of the music industry in the long run.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Oct 28, 2018 15:41:01 GMT 10
I actually invited a longtime musical connection I've had, who I met right before starting high school (she went to my high school with me and was a grade higher), because I wanted her to lend her vocals to a new eurobeat song I wrote and am producing, but she turned down the offer. This really hurt me because she had been so inspirational to me and she basically confirmed my worst fear, that as a singer/songwriter, she's apparently too cool to record eurobeat again, even if I make a point to show her the more meaningful stuff. If I seem sensitive and butt-hurt about nobody taking eurobeat seriously, this is a big reason why, in addition to the industry being kind of dry for releases in the pats couple of months. I'm sorry to hear that. If you played her "Beyond My Heart" or another completed Carlsbeat track, she might change her mind and become interested in working on a song with you.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Oct 28, 2018 17:26:08 GMT 10
Drag queen isn't a gender, it's an art form of sorts. Wearing ridiculous wigs and makeup is part of the art/show. The point isn't to look as female as possible - looking "passable" is actually considered passé and amateurish. The point is to look like something you're not and play the part, essentially. Drag queens aren't transgender in any way. They are men that like dressing up as (something resembling) women. That is why they have not transitioned. Often, they are men that have been societally pressured to act in stereotypically masculine ways, and they turn to drag to put on a costume, and let their feminine side out. But they are overall comfortable with being a man in a male body, just not the gender roles associated with it. I hope that clears things up  I wasn't actually aware of some of those points, so thanks for explaining it.  I can understand their desire to rebel against social expectations placed on them to act stereotypically masculine, but the way in which they do it by wearing excessive makeup and massive wigs doesn't sit comfortably with me. There's nothing wrong with males wanting to express their feminine side. However, I just think there are better ways to go about it. It's the internet, I don't know how anyone could hate anyone they don't know personally.
I agree. Lack of mainstream appeal. People in 2018 seem to only like trap/edm. Yep, unfortunately. I wish rock still had a presence on the charts.  This song here, in my opinion, is the ultimate example of how much more eurobeat is to me than just loud, energetic dance music. I know I shared it with you in a PM before, in addition to listing it as my #1 favourite song of 1997, but it's just an impeccable masterpiece that is far more sophisticated than whatever people dismiss the eurobeat genre as a whole to be. There's a delicate craft to making this music really stand out, and as far as slower, more contemplative eurobeat songs go, this is the very height of the genre for me. Here, the busy, uptempo beat is employed as a pulse, intended to propel the song in forward motion; it isn't just a narcotic for the sake of cheese. The lyrics are lavishly coloured with both poetic summaries ("boulevard of broken dreams, I walk in disillusion"), as well as intimate details ("If you got me on my knees", "look into my eyes"), and on a whole resonate incredibly deeply with anybody in my shoes, who feels emotionally blistered by the disheartening truths of the world but is passionately determined to hold onto the inner light that carries them forward, regardless of the struggle. I know I've praised S Club 7's "Bring It All Back" as the ultimate feel-good song in the past, but frankly, that track only works if you're only mildly down on yourself, since the singers are in such a high and happy place themselves that they aren't on the same level as those they're trying to help. Only a song like this, which lucidly intercepts the decaying melancholy that any depressed person experiences, can start on the right foot, empathizing with the weary listener, and from there build a dynamic and swelling stream of emotion to uplift them. "Bring It All Back" may be the perfect candy, but "Story of My Life" is a spiritual journey, encapsulated into music. I listened to this song numerous times throughout college, during which I felt completely lost and isolated as a person, and this just felt both pillowy, as well as yearningly intense. It was such a natural song for me to fall back on whenever I needed music in my life. I may speak about it to absurd degree, but that's only because I genuinely feel there is artistic value in songs such as it, which rival all of the classic and alternative rock and singer/songwriter ballads that receive all the traditional praise. Yes, it has a dance beat at a relative fast tempo, but it's used to the right effect. The various layers, from the soft, echoing synths, to the percussive pianos, to the rhythmic organs, to the lavish strings, all form a piece that is textured, yet elegant all the same time. If only people could look beyond the "Maharaja Night" logo slapped on the cover, the non-American or British accent, or anything else that automatically turns them back towards their Beatles, Drake, Pink Floyd, indie rock, or whatever...sigh... I can sympathise with what you are describing. People need to realise that you can't actually define what a "meaningful" song is. We are all encouraged not to "judge a book by it's cover" when evaluating things on face value, so why can't people apply that same concept to music? If a song sounds awful to someone, it doesn't mean that others will have the same point of view. Music can mean so many different things to people and your love of Eurobeat should be no exception to that. Eurobeat isn't any less authentic than classic or alternative-rock; it just uses different stylistic techniques to convey it's message across.
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Post by Telso on Oct 31, 2018 2:23:57 GMT 10
People on the internet are for the most part terrible. I'm sick of the ones trying to shame me for the year I live in, for the age I am and what not in particular. Internet should be my nice way of escapism, not condensending bullshit that tries it hardest to make me feel bad for no apparent reason.
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I can understand their desire to rebel against social expectations placed on them to act stereotypically masculine, but the way in which they do it by wearing excessive makeup and massive wigs doesn't sit comfortably with me. There's nothing wrong with males wanting to express their feminine side. However, I just think there are better ways to go about it.
