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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 3, 2018 22:37:47 GMT 10
I've had this idea for a thread for quite a few months now, but I held off from creating it because I wasn't sure if it would receive any responses.
I would define "proto-decade songs" as songs which stylistically sound like they belong in the era in which they were released, but have certain qualities which are heavily reminiscent to the music scene of the following decade.
Here are two examples I can think of:
2000s:
"Pony" is unmistakably '90s, but the blatant sexual imagery/language and the fact that it was produced by Timbaland, makes "Pony" seem like an early predecessor to 2000s-style music. I can remember listening to this song on the radio as a kid during the Late 2000s and thinking that it sounded very modern, despite the fact that it was released back in 1996.
2010s:
This was a huge hit across Europe and Australia in 2007. "Destination Calabria" really isn't too stylistically different from house music from the 2000s (the song itself is actually a mashup of two tracks that were released in the Early 2000s), but the saxophone hook/riff and synths are heavily reminiscent of pop music from the Early 2010s, IMO.
What examples can you think of?
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Post by Telso on Dec 4, 2018 0:46:09 GMT 10
There's nothing about "Pony" that screams 2000s to me, nor is the "blatantly sexual imagery/language" unique to that decade. Where does that cliche come from? In a decade where you had hits like "I Wanna Sex You Up", "2 Become 1", "Smooth", "Boom Boom Boom!", "Erotica", "Bump 'n Grind", "Baby Got Back", and so on and so forth "Pony" is actually pretty lowkey about it in comparison.
I will say Timbaland found his footprint 2000s sound more in the late 90s, with this example sounding practically surprising coming from 1998:
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Post by #Infinity on Dec 4, 2018 2:43:30 GMT 10
1970s:
This came out in late 1968. Though there were other funky soul songs at the time, this was the first that really seemed to take the genre in a more Soul Train direction. It would fit very naturally into a Blaxploitation flick of the early ‘70s, even though it would sound outdated by the second half of the decade.
Even though Abbey Road and its sleeve are iconic to the 1960s, some of its tracks, especially this one in particular, were clear progenitors of a lot pop rock from the 1970s. That lush mix, those wailing guitars, and generally laid back tone cause this track to mirror plenty of tracks from around the vicinity of 1972 and 1973.
1980s:
“Just What I Needed” was the first new wave song to really make it big, at least in the US. Melodically and aesthetically, The Cars were quite ahead of their time. However, I also find the production of their first two albums to be distinctly more retro than the new wave of the actual 1980s.
I find it hard to believe this came out in early 1978! Even though it blends in okay with some of the hard rock acts of the time like Foghat and Kiss, this song is still a progenitor to the hair metal craze of the 1980s.
1990s:
As far as the pop genre goes, this is probably the ultimate example of the ‘80s evolving into the ‘90s. While the percussion itself blends in decently with a fair amount of the urban at the time, the extremely eclectic phrasing, use of rapping intermixed with singing, edgy feel, creative lyrics, and less reverby drums give it a heavy ‘90s flavour, albeit mostly early ‘90s.
While R.E.M. released music for almost the entirety of the ‘80s, there’s no denying they were heavily influential to a lot of adult alternative bands from the 1990s, and this is when the influence was becoming most apparent.
2000s:
Timbaland was very ahead of his time upon his initial breakthrough, so it’s no coincidence this is the third production of his to be mentioned. While there were other urban songs from 1997 produced in this general style, it would have still sounded very current even in 2003, as well.
Creed had one album from 1997 that was popular before Human Clay, and the post-grunge movement had been around since 1994, but this was the single that really heralded the 2000s phase of the movement, what with its notably more polished production that was still grunge-based at the core but no longer copied the gritty attitude of the genre anymore, instead opting for melodic grandiosity.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 4, 2018 17:00:39 GMT 10
There's nothing about "Pony" that screams 2000s to me, nor is the "blatantly sexual imagery/language" unique to that decade. Where does that cliche come from? In a decade where you had hits like "I Wanna Sex You Up", "2 Become 1", "Smooth", "Boom Boom Boom!", "Erotica", "Bump 'n Grind", "Baby Got Back", and so on and so forth "Pony" is actually pretty lowkey about it in comparison. I never mentioned that blatant sexual imagery was unique to the 2000s, so i'm not sure where you got that idea from. What I meant was that the lyrics in "Pony" have much more in common with 2000s pop music, which is generally more sexually explicit in it's nature, than they do with '90s pop music. Instead of being compared with songs such as "2 Become 1" and "Smooth", in terms of lyrical content, "Pony" should really be compared with the likes of "Milkshake" and "My Humps". They are in the exact same vein. Also, how is "Pony" low-key in comparison to the songs you mentioned? The examples you gave are no where near as sexually explicit as what "Pony" is. For instance, "Boom Boom Boom" is merely suggestive of a sexual act and the lyrics are much more innocuous in their nature. You just have to compare the choruses of the two to see how they contrast from one another: "Boom boom boom boom I want you in my room Let's spend the night together From now until forever Boom boom boom boom I wanna go boom boom Let's spend the night together Together in my room"
"If you're horny, let's do it Ride it, my pony My saddle's waiting Come and jump on it"
The lyrics in "Pony" aren't suggestive, they're straight to the point. The type of language used is very different. "Boom Boom Boom" places more of an emphasis on imagery to evoke the sexual connotation, while "Pony" relies on metaphoric and symbolic language to describe sexual intercourse, making it much more sexually explicit by default. The imagery in "Pony" is more blatant as a result. Even though Abbey Road and its sleeve are iconic to the 1960s, some of its tracks, especially this one in particular, were clear progenitors of a lot pop rock from the 1970s. That lush mix, those wailing guitars, and generally laid back tone cause this track to mirror plenty of tracks from around the vicinity of 1972 and 1973. Good examples. It's interesting that you should mention "Something" actually, because I've always thought that the song has a certain Early '70s quality to it. Great song.
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Post by #Infinity on Dec 4, 2018 19:56:33 GMT 10
1960s:
Somehow, I feel that this song would fit the early-mid-1960s quite seamlessly. For 1958, it has a very progressive drum mix that's more akin to stuff from the pre-hippie '60s, and its guitars sound rather British Invasion-esque, too.
1970s:
The Stones may have been at their most popular in the 1960s, but by their album golden age from 1968-1972, they were quite a step ahead of the curve. you can compare this song here to the type of stuff Creedence Clearwater Revival were putting out at the same time, but characteristically, I find it to be quite '70s and definitely newer than songs like "Jumpin' Jack Flash", for example.
Similar sentiments here. I always found this song raspier, chuggier, and heavier than the overwhelming majority of '60s songs, yet at the same time, it does still feel a little too primitive to fit perfectly with the 1970s as well.
1980s:
This may have a distinctly '70s mix style, but it features iconic '80s singer Robert Palmer on the vocals, the composition itself is very '80s, and there is also prominent use of early '80s-style synthesizers here.
While there were certainly other lush, piano-driven pop rock songs in 1978/1979, this one in particular really sounds like a preview of early '80s music.
This may clearly be '70s disco, but groups such as ABBA and The Buggles (who were clearly heavily influenced by ABBA and in my opinion are overrated in terms of impact to the '80s music scene) were already delving heavily into the world of electronic synthesizers before the MTV era began.
1990s:
The new jack swing genre in general was this in the late 1980s. I see the movement as being overwhelmingly influential to pop and R&B throughout the entire 1990s decade, but it did get its breakthrough during the last couple of years of the '80s, complete with '80s-style drums.
Profanity-laden gangsta rap was one of the dominant styles of the 1990s, but back when N.W.A. were still together, their production was distinctly older than what came out after The Chronic, despite heading in more of an early '90s direction than Run-D.M.C.'s mid-'80s output.
2000s:
Blink-182 were extremely influential to a lot of 2000s rock bands, but at the time they released this song off Dude Ranch, they were still just a bit punkier than they'd be by the time their more polished hits from the Y2K era/early 2000s were.
No Limit Records was snugly confined to the late '90s in terms of commercial relevance, but there's no doubt they were also extremely influential to the Dirty South hip hop scene and their eventual rise to dominance in the industry.
2010s:
This song blends in fine with other R&B from the late 2000s, but its heavy use of trap elements cause it to also sound like a very primitive 2010s track, not to mention Jason Derulo is primarily a '10s artist, having been relevant for basically the whole decade.
This is basically a 2000s pop rock band integrating straight-up electronic production into their sound, making it an early example of rock music losing its identity. It would also sound fairly current for the first couple of years of the 2000s. However, it's not super ahead of its time for 2009, either.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 5, 2018 22:52:01 GMT 10
2010s:"Stop and Stare" is a pretty stock-standard pop-rock song from 2008, but the thing that really sets it apart from it's contemporaries is it's strong anthemic quality and emotionally-charged vocals. In essence, it feels as though it belongs to the early stages of rock's transition to 2010s-style of production and artistic standards. Rock music generally didn't possess such strong anthem-like qualities back in 2008. Similar sentiments here. I always found this song raspier, chuggier, and heavier than the overwhelming majority of '60s songs, yet at the same time, it does still feel a little too primitive to fit perfectly with the 1970s as well. To be honest, before I started to research more information about pop culture a few years ago, I always had the impression that it was an Early '70s song.
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Post by Telso on Dec 18, 2018 6:44:16 GMT 10
Back in 1957 this country duo took a few clues from Rock & Roll and made what I think is Proto-60s Pop Rock. It has all the ingredients from the high-pitched voices to the love-longing sensibilities that will forshadow bands from the mid-to-late 60s, under which the Beatles.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 29, 2018 21:12:56 GMT 10
Back in 1957 this country duo took a few clues from Rock & Roll and made what I think is Proto-60s Pop Rock. It has all the ingredients from the high-pitched voices to the love-longing sensibilities that will forshadow bands from the mid-to-late 60s, under which the Beatles. The Everly Brothers' "All I Have to Do Is Dream" (it was released a year later) is another good example of a song which has proto-'60s qualities. To be honest, until I researched more information about The Everly Brother's career, I thought "All I Have to Do Is Dream" was an Early '60s song.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 22, 2021 17:45:58 GMT 10
I've been looking for this thread for quite a while, so i'm glad I've stumbled across it again! Here's another example of a song from 1996 which could be argued as having a "proto-2000s" sound:
I'm not sure if it's simply due to the woman's vocals sounding strikingly similar to those of Rihanna's, or if it possibly has something to do with the song being a blatantly over-sexualized, pop-rap crossover (much in the same vein as "Pony"). Whatever the case, I have long felt as though this song bares quite a lot of stylistic similarities with the pop music of the 2000s. There are core '90s elements to this song of course, such as the disco synths and a number of the close-up camera angles in the music video, but otherwise, I honestly don't think this would sound that out of place had it been released during the 2000s.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Apr 23, 2021 23:50:51 GMT 10
2020s
(I joke)
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