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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 22, 2019 20:36:45 GMT 10
I had a conversation with @slowpoke1993 and longaotian about this on Discord not too long ago and I thought it would be interesting to hear the viewpoints of others in regards to this topic. Do you believe abortion is morally acceptable?
I personally don't agree with the idea of abortion, to be honest. I'm sorry, but unless the mother has been the victim of rape or some sort of sexual abuse (but even then, I still think it's wrong the terminate the life of an innocent child), I think choosing to abort a pregnancy is selfish and unmoral. I'm not sure how anyone could live with themselves knowing that they never gave their child a chance at life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 21:58:32 GMT 10
It's morally acceptable, in my opinion. Nobody gets hurt in an abortion. Talking about a potential life not lived is meaningless: not all the eggs that ovulate and not all the sperm that are produced "get a chance at life" either, yet we do not ponder on the morality of these "potential lives not lived". I think you need evidence that an actual living being is deprived of pleasure in an abortion and not a potential being for it to be immoral. As it is, no one is harmed in an abortion and it causes a lot of social good when unwanted pregnancies are prevented.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 1:08:42 GMT 10
Yes, it is. Her body, her life, her choice, her business. Nobody has the right to tell her what to do with her own body, especially a man.
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Post by rainbow on Jan 23, 2019 2:17:58 GMT 10
Of course it’s acceptable IMO. I’d much rather abort than give birth to a baby that I can’t care for.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 23, 2019 22:36:56 GMT 10
Of course it’s acceptable IMO. I’d much rather abort than give birth to a baby that I can’t care for. Sorry, but I don't really buy that argument. The baby could easily be put up for adoption, where at least it would have a chance at life and potentially have parents who do genuinely care for it. There are couples out there (who are unable to conceive a child of their own) who would do anything to be given the opportunity to have their own child. Abortion isn't a solution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 23:04:19 GMT 10
Of course it’s acceptable IMO. I’d much rather abort than give birth to a baby that I can’t care for. Sorry, but I don't really buy that argument. The baby could easily be put up for adoption, where at least it would have a chance at life and potentially have parents who do genuinely care for it. There are couples out there (who are unable to conceive a child of their own) who would do anything to be given the opportunity to have their own child. Abortion isn't a solution. Labour is incredibly painful and very regularly causes severe injuries both physical and mental (post-partum depression), and can even cause death. That's not even getting into the trauma of having to give your baby away. I feel like if men could get pregnant and had to go through labour the same way as women, and had the cultural expectations when it comes to raising children, the issue wouldn't be moralized so nonchalantly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 3:34:05 GMT 10
Very true, Slowpoke. Also if men had the babies, there would be no large families and the population would be much less.
There are also women like me who are mentally unfit to be mothers.
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Post by CupidTheStupid on Jan 24, 2019 8:16:18 GMT 10
Oh. The old abortion debate.
You can’t control what a woman does to her body. Period. Especially men.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 24, 2019 8:51:48 GMT 10
Sorry, but I don't really buy that argument. The baby could easily be put up for adoption, where at least it would have a chance at life and potentially have parents who do genuinely care for it. There are couples out there (who are unable to conceive a child of their own) who would do anything to be given the opportunity to have their own child. Abortion isn't a solution. Labour is incredibly painful and very regularly causes severe injuries both physical and mental (post-partum depression), and can even cause death. That's not even getting into the trauma of having to give your baby away. I feel like if men could get pregnant and had to go through labour the same way as women, and had the cultural expectations when it comes to raising children, the issue wouldn't be moralized so nonchalantly. Labour is a natural part of life. Yes, labour can cause physical and mental injuries, but the vast majority of labour procedures in public/private hospitals are successful with little to no complications. Recent developments in the medical field have made the process of labor much safer than it ever was in the past. You even hear of cases where a woman will voluntarily fall pregnant, so that they can give their baby away to a couple who are unable to conceive a child of their own. There will always be risks associated with falling into labour, but if it was really as bad as how you have made it out to be, women wouldn't choose to fall pregnant at all.  Also, if we're going by what rainbow said about mothers "not caring" about the child they've given birth to, the mother is likely not going to object to the thought of giving their baby away for adoption. You can't just assume that every mother has a strong bond with their child, because there are many who simply don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2019 1:21:07 GMT 10
I take your point respecting what Rainbow said, Shark, but if a woman genuinely couldn't care for a child then she wouldn't fall pregnant in the first place, would she?
I decided at the age of 8 that I wasn't going to be a mother.
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Post by al on Jan 27, 2019 9:44:58 GMT 10
This is a hard topic for me to have strong opinions about either way. I suppose it tends to align with mine on legalizing drugs, that people are going to do them anyway so it doesn't accomplish much to ban them. If you don't want one, don't get one. However, the later term abortions in NY tend to bother me more. If a woman has gotten that far with her pregnancy and her baby could live outside the womb on their own, it does get more ethically questionable, and I really don't know what the answer is. I think it opens a can of worms.
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Post by ★☆GäBBï☆★ on Jan 28, 2019 20:46:00 GMT 10
I personally don't support it but won't throw a protest if someone is gonna do it.
Like al said it will just keep happening regardless of whether people think it's morally acceptable or not, there will always be mixed opinions.
But for the sake of this discussion,
I think that if there is actually a foetus, then it's a separate part from the mother's body and I would disagree that it's the mother's choice to abort it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 22:03:53 GMT 10
It's not only morally acceptable, but morally important to provide the option. Many, many women who advocate for the right to an abortion would never choose to get one themselves. But for some, having that option itself is crucially important. Exhibit A, read this in its entirety. Very tragic story.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 19, 2019 22:49:29 GMT 10
It's not only morally acceptable, but morally important to provide the option. Many, many women who advocate for the right to an abortion would never choose to get one themselves. But for some, having that option itself is crucially important. Exhibit A, read this in its entirety. Very tragic story. I agree that it's important for the mother to be given the choice, but I would personally only support abortion in the scenario that giving birth would harm the health of both the child and the mother (or, in the case of the article you shared, when a newborn won't have a chance at life). Otherwise, I am staunchly against the idea of having an abortion when the fetus is perfectly healthy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 23:25:35 GMT 10
It's not only morally acceptable, but morally important to provide the option. Many, many women who advocate for the right to an abortion would never choose to get one themselves. But for some, having that option itself is crucially important. Exhibit A, read this in its entirety. Very tragic story. I agree that it's important for the mother to be given the choice, but I would personally only support abortion in the scenario that giving birth would harm the health of both the child and the mother (or, in the case of the article you shared, when a newborn won't have a chance at life). Otherwise, I am staunchly against the idea of having an abortion when the fetus is perfectly healthy. I guess what I'm saying is, if you don't like abortions, don't get one. But don't stop others from getting one - that's their choice.
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