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Post by prodanny288 on Jun 8, 2019 12:59:02 GMT 10
Don’t agree with it at all. Abortion is murder. Anyone who thinks otherwise is outta their mind.
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Post by RockyMountainExtreme on Jun 8, 2019 13:53:15 GMT 10
It's morally acceptable, in my opinion. Nobody gets hurt in an abortion. Talking about a potential life not lived is meaningless: not all the eggs that ovulate and not all the sperm that are produced "get a chance at life" either, yet we do not ponder on the morality of these "potential lives not lived". I think you need evidence that an actual living being is deprived of pleasure in an abortion and not a potential being for it to be immoral. As it is, no one is harmed in an abortion and it causes a lot of social good when unwanted pregnancies are prevented.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 1:30:46 GMT 10
It's morally acceptable, in my opinion. Nobody gets hurt in an abortion. Talking about a potential life not lived is meaningless: not all the eggs that ovulate and not all the sperm that are produced "get a chance at life" either, yet we do not ponder on the morality of these "potential lives not lived". I think you need evidence that an actual living being is deprived of pleasure in an abortion and not a potential being for it to be immoral. As it is, no one is harmed in an abortion and it causes a lot of social good when unwanted pregnancies are prevented. Not until the third trimester, according to my cursory Google search www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1440624/#ref21
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2019 3:08:19 GMT 10
Don’t agree with it at all. Abortion is murder. Anyone who thinks otherwise is outta their mind. I respect your right to your opinion, Danny mate, but as a man, you don't have to go through the pain of childbirth or the problems of pregnancy.
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Post by al on Jun 10, 2019 8:43:37 GMT 10
As a woman I can absolutely sympathize that the thought of childbirth is rough. I have confidence I could handle it as my ancestors have, but there’s no doubt it takes a toll on one’s body and I would want to be ready for that. There’s also a concern of trying to stay healthy enough for the fetus. Some women are just honestly not in good enough shape to produce a thriving child.
However, I will also say that’s exactly why I have a hard time getting behind third trimester abortions. If one has already endured that much of the pregnancy, especially if the baby is heavy and well enough to survive outside the womb, it seems like one isn’t particularly evading trauma. At say, eight weeks, around when many abortions occur, I don’t view it as severely.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 12:52:53 GMT 10
As a woman I can absolutely sympathize that the thought of childbirth is rough. I have confidence I could handle it as my ancestors have, but there’s no doubt it takes a toll on one’s body and I would want to be ready for that. There’s also a concern of trying to stay healthy enough for the fetus. Some women are just honestly not in good enough shape to produce a thriving child. However, I will also say that’s exactly why I have a hard time getting behind third trimester abortions. If one has already endured that much of the pregnancy, especially if the baby is heavy and well enough to survive outside the womb, it seems like one isn’t particularly evading trauma. At say, eight weeks, around when many abortions occur, I don’t view it as severely. I agree third semester abortions are more morally fraught than first/second trimester abortions, but I think for someone to decide to get an abortion that late there must have been very extra strenuous circumstances, such as discovering the fetus has an illness that will make them impossible to care for, or danger to the mother's health, etc. And I trust doctors to decide whether that makes an abortion 'worth it' so to speak as opposed to politicians.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 0:25:00 GMT 10
Agreed, Slowpoke. Doctors should decide, not politicians because doctors are trained and know what they are doing and politicians have far too much say in and control over citizens' lives.
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Post by rainbow on Jun 11, 2019 8:24:03 GMT 10
Don’t agree with it at all. Abortion is murder. Anyone who thinks otherwise is outta their mind. I noticed that when I went on this thread, I picked the first option because I considered myself pro-choice. But I've gotten a little more into politics lately and my opinion has changed. While I don't think banning abortion completely is a good idea, I do think that it needs to be more restrictive. If it's absolutely necessary, to the point where it's risking the mothers life, then yes, abortion should be allowed. If the reason is "I'm not prepared", or "I don't want the baby", then it shouldn't be allowed IMO. We shouldn't be killing babies for no good reason. I also think abortion should be performed if the pregnancy was the cause of rape, but the problem is how would you prove that it was rape? That's the problem. I still want to protect the babies (cause I personally believe they are living too, and I believe in the right to life). I think I said this before, but I'm pro-sex education and pro-birth control. Birth control should be easy to access IMO. I think we need to start improving not only on the sex education, but also on the foster care system before we even consider restricting abortion laws.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:28:28 GMT 10
We shouldn't be killing babies for no good reason. But you haven't proved that those babies were ever alive in the first place. The entire line of thinking is based on a false premise. What Danny said was very emotionally charged, but there's no logic to back it up.
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Post by dount2005 on Jun 12, 2019 5:40:49 GMT 10
Don’t agree with it at all. Abortion is murder. Anyone who thinks otherwise is outta their mind. Do you even realize you're talking about a fetus? Have you seen real murder? A fetus doesn't recognize its own existence yet for pete's sake. Why should there be penalties for abortion?
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Post by prodanny288 on Jun 12, 2019 5:55:12 GMT 10
Don’t agree with it at all. Abortion is murder. Anyone who thinks otherwise is outta their mind. Do you even realize you're talking about a fetus? Have you seen real murder? A fetus doesn't recognize its own existence yet for pete's sake. Why should there be penalties for abortion? Funny how you call yourself a Christian. Yet don’t see any problem with killing a fetus in the womb “bEcAuSe tHeY dOnT rEcOgNiZe ItS oWn eXiStEnCe” Beats me.
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Post by dount2005 on Jun 12, 2019 6:04:08 GMT 10
Do you even realize you're talking about a fetus? Have you seen real murder? A fetus doesn't recognize its own existence yet for pete's sake. Why should there be penalties for abortion? Funny how you call yourself a Christian. Yet don’t see any problem with killing a fetus in the womb “bEcAuSe tHeY dOnT rEcOgNiZe ItS oWn eXiStEnCe” Beats me. Love how you keep on claiming it's murder with no evidence to back up your point.  Keep talking.
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Post by prodanny288 on Jun 12, 2019 6:17:14 GMT 10
Funny how you call yourself a Christian. Yet don’t see any problem with killing a fetus in the womb “bEcAuSe tHeY dOnT rEcOgNiZe ItS oWn eXiStEnCe” Beats me. Love how you keep on claiming it's murder with no evidence to back up your point. Keep talking. It’s hilarious how you think a fetus isn’t alive and tearing their body apart is ok. Isn't it pathetically stupid how you attend church every Sunday but don’t see the problem with abortion and killing? Where were you when your little god said to you it’s a sin to kill? Huh? I’m beginning to think you christians aren’t so good after all...
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Post by dount2005 on Jun 12, 2019 6:33:07 GMT 10
Love how you keep on claiming it's murder with no evidence to back up your point. Keep talking. It’s hilarious how you think a fetus isn’t alive and tearing their body apart is ok. Isn't it pathetically stupid how you attend church every Sunday but don’t see the problem with abortion and killing? Where were you when your little god said to you it’s a sin to kill? Huh? I’m beginning to think you christians aren’t so good after all... Do you want to know what's more stupid? The fact that you think a fetus should control what a woman with ACTUAL RIGHTS does to her body. A FETUS DOES NOT HAVE RIGHTS! Oh, and you're agnostic aren't you? You want to act like an idiot by telling me I have to think a certain way because of my religion. NEWSFLASH! Did you know that all christians don't think the same way? Obviously not. Your stupidity is clearly showing here. Why don't you come back when you're not emotionally unstable? Thank you. 
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Post by prodanny288 on Jun 12, 2019 6:48:46 GMT 10
It’s hilarious how you think a fetus isn’t alive and tearing their body apart is ok. Isn't it pathetically stupid how you attend church every Sunday but don’t see the problem with abortion and killing? Where were you when your little god said to you it’s a sin to kill? Huh? I’m beginning to think you christians aren’t so good after all... Do you want to know what's more stupid? The fact that you think a fetus should control what a woman with ACTUAL RIGHTS does to her body. A FETUS DOES NOT HAVE RIGHTS! Oh, and you're agnostic aren't you? You want to act like an idiot by telling me I have to think a certain way because of my religion. NEWSFLASH! Did you know that all christians don't think the same way? Obviously not. Your stupidity is clearly showing here. Why don't you come back when you're not emotionally unstable? Thank you.  Lol. Have fun in hell. Your little god doesn’t want you anymore.
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