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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 6, 2019 10:19:29 GMT 10
I'm not sure if anyone else feels the same way, but the fact that 1980 will be turning 40 years old next year is pretty alarming to me. The decade of MTV, Back to the Future and hair-metal is now starting to enter into vintage territory, which is scary to think. Obviously I wasn't alive during the '80s and I have no direct connection to the decade at all, but in a lot of ways, I still think of the '80s as being relatively recent. The '80s are far removed from the present day, but they're still pretty relatable. Speaking of 1980, next year will also unfortunately mark the point in time in which John Lennon has been dead longer than he was alive for.
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Post by ★☆GäBBï☆★ on Feb 6, 2019 10:25:51 GMT 10
I'm still thinking of the 1970s as 40 years old ... Yeah, the 1980s does seem still recent. And aaww...John Lennon
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Post by al on Feb 6, 2019 11:36:55 GMT 10
For me the 80's have always been distinctly the "least old" of the old decades, but maybe that's a little obvious. Even though I wasn't alive, it holds some significance as the last full decade before I was born. The "old" stuff I grew up with that that belonged to my parents before I was born, furniture, videos, music, etc., was largely from the 80's. Visually there was still a whole lot leftover in the 90's, especially that which would have been seen as modern and fashionable, and took some time for mass adoption. When I was little I lived in a very 80's Contemporary style of home, the mall was still filled with neon, I would sit in a really old fashioned carseat in my grandmother's last decade car. So I'll admit I do feel a bit of an attachment. Teenagers born in the 00's probably like the 90's for the same reason.
Sometimes I associate the Reagan era with reclaimed innocence, as if there were an (albeit unsuccessful imo) attempt to get it back. There's something about that that feels very modern, making choices post knowledge, that separates it from the 70's. I could argue we went through it in the 50's and are again this decade. It's as if there were decisions, conscious or not, about how things would be here on out, and some of those have remained conceptually similar. MTV revolutionized music entertainment and even if we don't use that exact format anymore, music videos and artist engagement remain important. Movies appear drastically more modern by this point and there are many tropes and references that remain popular and relevant. Computers and cable were adopted and remain used even if in different ways, things that hardly existed prior in pop culture. And those who became adults, from Gen Jones to Gen X, in the 80's do not see themselves as old, comparatively not seeing their "day" as dated like it would have been for middle aged people back at the time. Sure time is passing and things are changing, but 1980 isn't old like 1940 was in 1980. I think moving forward, we'll need to readjust our ideas of what is "supposed" to change in intervals .
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 6, 2019 16:22:24 GMT 10
I'm still thinking of the 1970s as 40 years old ... Yeah, the 1980s does seem still recent. And aaww...John Lennon So do I, to be honest. It doesn't even seem all that long ago that the '70s were only 30-something years ago and it was receiving just as much nostalgia as the '80s. Nowadays, however, there doesn't seem to be any nostalgia in the media for any pre-1980 year, which is a shame. It's as if 1980 has become the dividing point between "vintage" and "retro". For me the 80's have always been distinctly the "least old" of the old decades, but maybe that's a little obvious. Even though I wasn't alive, it holds some significance as the last full decade before I was born. The "old" stuff I grew up with that that belonged to my parents before I was born, furniture, videos, music, etc., was largely from the 80's. Visually there was still a whole lot leftover in the 90's, especially that which would have been seen as modern and fashionable, and took some time for mass adoption. When I was little I lived in a very 80's Contemporary style of home, the mall was still filled with neon, I would sit in a really old fashioned carseat in my grandmother's last decade car. So I'll admit I do feel a bit of an attachment. Teenagers born in the 00's probably like the 90's for the same reason. Sometimes I associate the Reagan era with reclaimed innocence, as if there were an (albeit unsuccessful imo) attempt to get it back. There's something about that that feels very modern, making choices post knowledge, that separates it from the 70's. I could argue we went through it in the 50's and are again this decade. It's as if there were decisions, conscious or not, about how things would be here on out, and some of those have remained conceptually similar. MTV revolutionized music entertainment and even if we don't use that exact format anymore, music videos and artist engagement remain important. Movies appear drastically more modern by this point and there are many tropes and references that remain popular and relevant. Computers and cable were adopted and remain used even if in different ways, things that hardly existed prior in pop culture. And those who became adults, from Gen Jones to Gen X, in the 80's do not see themselves as old, comparatively not seeing their "day" as dated like it would have been for middle aged people back at the time. Sure time is passing and things are changing, but 1980 isn't old like 1940 was in 1980. I think moving forward, we'll need to readjust our ideas of what is "supposed" to change in intervals . Yeah, I can see how that would have been the case, as that's how the '90s personally feel to me in that regard. It actually wouldn't surprise me if most people who were born in the Early-Mid '90s are able to identify with the '80s in some way. Like you pointed out, residual trends from past decades can remain years after they have become irrelevant, so it's not definitely out of the question. It would be interesting to know what the cut-off point would be for someone to have had a similar experience as to what you had with experiencing the remnants of '80s culture at a young age? Obviously anyone of any age could technically have recollections of listening to '80s music (or just pop culture in general) at a young age if their parents exposed them to it, but there would have been a point in time in which all of the furniture, clothing and '80s aesthetics would have been phased out for good. If I were to guess, I would say that the cutoff point would probably be with 1995 borns. By the time people born in 1996 would have been old enough to form conscious memories (which likely would have been around 1998/1999), '80s visuals and trends wouldn't have been as prominent in day-to-day life. As for myself personally, because I was born in 1999 and experienced my earliest memories during the Early '00s (by which point, any residual '80s visuals/fads were well and truly gone), I personally don't have any sense of attachment to '80s visuals or items. At a stretch, I can somewhat connect with the decade from an abstract perspective. The '80s were also the last full decade before I was born and while it's strange to think of this, I was actually born closer to the '80s than I was to the 2010s. Those two key points make the '80s seem fairly identifiable for me from a distant point of view, but not to the extent where I can form any sort of personal attachment to them. I completely agree. Although, I personally feel as though the 1980s were in fact the first decade in which there was an increased focus on reflecting on the past and making a conscious effort to reclaim aspects of it, rather than the 1950s. I think the social conservatism that defined the '50s was more a product of the times rather than in the form of a desire to reclaim elements of previous decades. Liberalism was hugely influential during the 1920s, while the trajectory of the '30s and '40s were impacted more by the ramifications of the Great Depression and the Second World War. All three decades contrast pretty significantly to the social and political world of the 1950s.
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Post by mh on Feb 7, 2019 3:46:49 GMT 10
I'm still thinking of the 1970s as 40 years old ... Yeah, the 1980s does seem still recent. And aaww...John Lennon So do I, to be honest. It doesn't even seem all that long ago that the '70s were only 30-something years ago and it was receiving just as much nostalgia as the '80s. Nowadays, however, there doesn't seem to be any nostalgia in the media for any pre-1980 year, which is a shame. It's as if 1980 has become the dividing point between "vintage" and "retro". For me the 80's have always been distinctly the "least old" of the old decades, but maybe that's a little obvious. Even though I wasn't alive, it holds some significance as the last full decade before I was born. The "old" stuff I grew up with that that belonged to my parents before I was born, furniture, videos, music, etc., was largely from the 80's. Visually there was still a whole lot leftover in the 90's, especially that which would have been seen as modern and fashionable, and took some time for mass adoption. When I was little I lived in a very 80's Contemporary style of home, the mall was still filled with neon, I would sit in a really old fashioned carseat in my grandmother's last decade car. So I'll admit I do feel a bit of an attachment. Teenagers born in the 00's probably like the 90's for the same reason. Sometimes I associate the Reagan era with reclaimed innocence, as if there were an (albeit unsuccessful imo) attempt to get it back. There's something about that that feels very modern, making choices post knowledge, that separates it from the 70's. I could argue we went through it in the 50's and are again this decade. It's as if there were decisions, conscious or not, about how things would be here on out, and some of those have remained conceptually similar. MTV revolutionized music entertainment and even if we don't use that exact format anymore, music videos and artist engagement remain important. Movies appear drastically more modern by this point and there are many tropes and references that remain popular and relevant. Computers and cable were adopted and remain used even if in different ways, things that hardly existed prior in pop culture. And those who became adults, from Gen Jones to Gen X, in the 80's do not see themselves as old, comparatively not seeing their "day" as dated like it would have been for middle aged people back at the time. Sure time is passing and things are changing, but 1980 isn't old like 1940 was in 1980. I think moving forward, we'll need to readjust our ideas of what is "supposed" to change in intervals . Yeah, I can see how that would have been the case, as that's how the '90s personally feel to me in that regard. It actually wouldn't surprise me if most people who were born in the Early-Mid '90s are able to identify with the '80s in some way. Like you pointed out, residual trends from past decades can remain years after they have become irrelevant, so it's not definitely out of the question. It would be interesting to know what the cut-off point would be for someone to have had a similar experience as to what you had with experiencing the remnants of '80s culture at a young age? Obviously anyone of any age could technically have recollections of listening to '80s music (or just pop culture in general) at a young age if their parents exposed them to it, but there would have been a point in time in which all of the furniture, clothing and '80s aesthetics would have been phased out for good. If I were to guess, I would say that the cutoff point would probably be with 1995 borns. By the time people born in 1996 would have been old enough to form conscious memories (which likely would have been around 1998/1999), '80s visuals and trends wouldn't have been as prominent in day-to-day life. As for myself personally, because I was born in 1999 and experienced my earliest memories during the Early '00s (by which point, any residual '80s visuals/fads were well and truly gone), I personally don't have any sense of attachment to '80s visuals or items. At a stretch, I can somewhat connect with the decade from an abstract perspective. The '80s were also the last full decade before I was born and while it's strange to think of this, I was actually born closer to the '80s than I was to the 2010s. Those two key points make the '80s seem fairly identifiable for me from a distant point of view, but not to the extent where I can form any sort of personal attachment to them. I completely agree. Although, I personally feel as though the 1980s were in fact the first decade in which there was an increased focus on reflecting on the past and making a conscious effort to reclaim aspects of it, rather than the 1950s. I think the social conservatism that defined the '50s was more a product of the times rather than in the form of a desire to reclaim elements of previous decades. Liberalism was hugely influential during the 1920s, while the trajectory of the '30s and '40s were impacted more by the ramifications of the Great Depression and the Second World War. All three decades contrast pretty significantly to the social and political world of the 1950s. Yeah, that's a good point. I can't recall much from the '80s obviously, but I've never considered the '80s to be as old as the era before that because I did grow up with so much stuff from the '80s still being relevant. Some of my favorite childhood stuff, as an example, is from the '80s. TMNT, the NES, Teddy Ruxpin, and early arcade games were some of the things I grew up with particularly up until 1995 or so. Also, I watched quite a few '80s sitcoms as a kid like Who's The Boss, and do consider those shows a major part of my childhood, even though I was fairly young when they went off TV. That's probably pretty similar to you late '90s borns and the '90s I would guess. Some of the guys I hang out with are later '90s borns, and they often talk about how they grew up with some of the same things I did from the '90s that were still popular for the first years of the '00s. When it comes to the '80s, I would agree that after 1995 or so most of the '80s culture still hanging around was largely irrelevant. For the '90s, I would say that some '90s culture was still relevant up until at least 2004 or so. The '90s didn't become a truly different era until after social media took off pretty much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 9:40:25 GMT 10
Back in Black is 40 years ago. John Lennon was assassinated 40 years ago. Mind blown. The more shocking thing to me is that 1970 is 50 years ago and 1960 is 60 years ago
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Post by SharksFan99 on Feb 7, 2019 10:41:25 GMT 10
Yeah, that's a good point. I can't recall much from the '80s obviously, but I've never considered the '80s to be as old as the era before that because I did grow up with so much stuff from the '80s still being relevant. Some of my favorite childhood stuff, as an example, is from the '80s. TMNT, the NES, Teddy Ruxpin, and early arcade games were some of the things I grew up with particularly up until 1995 or so. Also, I watched quite a few '80s sitcoms as a kid like Who's The Boss, and do consider those shows a major part of my childhood, even though I was fairly young when they went off TV. That's probably pretty similar to you late '90s borns and the '90s I would guess. Some of the guys I hang out with are later '90s borns, and they often talk about how they grew up with some of the same things I did from the '90s that were still popular for the first years of the '00s. When it comes to the '80s, I would agree that after 1995 or so most of the '80s culture still hanging around was largely irrelevant. For the '90s, I would say that some '90s culture was still relevant up until at least 2004 or so. The '90s didn't become a truly different era until after social media took off pretty much. That's understandable. 1980s pop culture would have still been prominent during your early childhood, as many of the defining trends such as new jack-swing, The Cosby Show, and mullets carried on well into the Early '90s. Yep. I can only speak from my own personal experience, but i've always felt as though I've had a connection with the '90s, to be honest. It's not just because I was born at the end of the decade; it's also because I experienced a lot of residual '90s pop culture while I was growing up. For instance, I watched shows such as "The Magic School Bus" and "Rugrats" as a toddler, as well as being exposed to a lot of '90s alt-rock (e.g Pearl Jam, Live, Garbage) due to my Gen-X parents listening to the genre in the car. The PS1 was also my first console. It doesn't surprise me to hear that you've met other Late '90s borns who feel much the same way. Back in Black is 40 years ago. John Lennon was assassinated 40 years ago. Mind blown. The more shocking thing to me is that 1970 is 50 years ago and 1960 is 60 years ago I agree! The fact that the year 2000 will be 20 years ago is a pretty big shock as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 2:00:10 GMT 10
Shark, I am dreading my forthcoming birthday enough without this, thank you very much! Next year, I will have been a fan of my avatar for 40 years.
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Post by Telso on Feb 8, 2019 7:10:17 GMT 10
1960 is 60 years ago You're shocked this is 60 years old...? The year 1990 turning as old as 1960 was back is more far funny to me than whatever age 1960 is.
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Post by al on Feb 9, 2019 16:23:06 GMT 10
Yeah, I can see how that would have been the case, as that's how the '90s personally feel to me in that regard. It actually wouldn't surprise me if most people who were born in the Early-Mid '90s are able to identify with the '80s in some way. Like you pointed out, residual trends from past decades can remain years after they have become irrelevant, so it's not definitely out of the question. It would be interesting to know what the cut-off point would be for someone to have had a similar experience as to what you had with experiencing the remnants of '80s culture at a young age? Obviously anyone of any age could technically have recollections of listening to '80s music (or just pop culture in general) at a young age if their parents exposed them to it, but there would have been a point in time in which all of the furniture, clothing and '80s aesthetics would have been phased out for good. If I were to guess, I would say that the cutoff point would probably be with 1995 borns. By the time people born in 1996 would have been old enough to form conscious memories (which likely would have been around 1998/1999), '80s visuals and trends wouldn't have been as prominent in day-to-day life. Ahh generational leftovers, so culturally important, yet so ignored. You're probably right on the money with mid 90's borns being the last to have experienced 80's lite, but it's still going to be highly subjective. I mean, I'm a huge nerd who actually remembers stores getting renovated when they were four. Others my age or older even may not consider this much at all, unless they were to study what's going on in the background of their baby photos. A big factor here is going to be geography. On average, rural areas are slower to change. I can think of a few commercial spaces that still look 80's compared to their more urban counterparts. Eventually though, they will fade into novelty regardless, kind of like that floral orange couch from the 70's that still remains in the living room of an older relative to everybody. A quite interesting turn however I must note: Fifteen-year-old decor does not look bad anymore. It would actually seem pretty laughable today to say, "That's so 2004, we need to gut it!" I haven't really thought much of what 00's lite is. For me much of the regression that occurred in the 50's was surrounding women, as well as minorities. Yes women working and doing traditionally male jobs had been related to a labor shortage, but even fashion was affected. The "New Look" by Dior meant for a return to a more feminine silhouette, symbolizing women being expected to re-adopt those virtues. As if progress had been exchanged for perfection. The public in general was now expected to sit back and play fat, dumb and happy. While the excessive commercialism now iconic to the decade ended up shaping the years to come, it at the time communicated simple pleasures. "Hey let's forget about war," even if it's through buying stuff, like a new television set to watch "Andy Griffith" on. There was already nostalgia for a supposed happier time. Despite the specific image we draw of the 50's today, it was still highly influential. Teenagers, television, rock n'roll. And the mores that pushed a society to its breaking point, such as what lead to the Civil Rights movement. This kind of thinking, this kind of culture, was new to the decade. Elvis may be the first popular artist whose music is palatable to the average modern listener. The 50's is the dawn of the contemporary culture as it is commonly studied today. Ironically, it also happens to have a very different look and attitude to what immediately followed. And this is where I draw to the 80's. They retain somewhat of a distinct, goofy feel that keep them in their place. Yet simultaneously, things from prior times, within their respective contexts, just seem horribly old, almost serving as cultural placeholders. But that's just the thing with this decade comparison, you can pretty much pick choose whichever aspects tell a particular narrative. And there's weirdly a lot of "stuff" around from these two.
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Post by Telso on Feb 9, 2019 23:12:44 GMT 10
It would actually seem pretty laughable today to say, "That's so 2004, we need to gut it!" I haven't really thought much of what 00's The fashion of that era was regularly trashed troughout this decade. It's kind of amusing watching people looking back it and see how far the backlash has gone.
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Post by mwalker96 on Feb 13, 2019 3:20:25 GMT 10
The 80s is indeed a transitional decade. Old enough to be retro but not quite anciemt yet things like hip-hop, Nintendo, TMNT, My Little Pony and Transformers began in the 80s and still reign in pop-culture. I do slightly disagree with ms al on how 96 borns would be too young to recapture 80s visuals. 80s stuff still reigned my family in the early 2000s with Vhs tapes, cassette tapes, classic 80s analog tvs, and even saw some 80s sitcoms. I have family members around mh age and they were able to recall a lot of 80s trends as well. I feel like the Early 2000s had a lot of connections to the 80s despite the 80s being dark and grimy and the early 2000s being a bit more cheery. Lots of 80s tech were still prevalent in much of the 2000s.
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Post by al on Feb 15, 2019 15:08:36 GMT 10
The fashion of that era was regularly trashed troughout this decade. It's kind of amusing watching people looking back it and see how far the backlash has gone. Well I think it comes down to what specific aspect one is referring to. I'm saying you walk into a house, you walk into a Dunkin Donuts, and it was built or renovated in the early or mid 00's, I don't think it's going to disgust anybody. Though this may be in part because the era was for the most part, pretty bland in decor. The circa 2004 makeup and fake tan though? Yeah that's pretty bad now. But that was also a very trendy look that not what everyone wore. And I think that's ultimately what we're moving to, is the extreme and short-lived trends looking hideously dated after a while, but maybe "plainer" things not looking so bad. The 80s is indeed a transitional decade. Old enough to be retro but not quite anciemt yet things like hip-hop, Nintendo, TMNT, My Little Pony and Transformers began in the 80s and still reign in pop-culture. I do slightly disagree with ms al on how 96 borns would be too young to recapture 80s visuals. 80s stuff still reigned my family in the early 2000s with Vhs tapes, cassette tapes, classic 80s analog tvs, and even saw some 80s sitcoms. I have family members around mh age and they were able to recall a lot of 80s trends as well. I feel like the Early 2000s had a lot of connections to the 80s despite the 80s being dark and grimy and the early 2000s being a bit more cheery. Lots of 80s tech were still prevalent in much of the 2000s. I'm counting 96 borns as "mid 90's babies" in remembering some 80's things. A lot of it is going to be personal and depend on what your family kept around. I would say you have to get more around Shark's age, whom many may not remember before they had a dvd player, before you will on average have no connection left.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 24, 2019 6:27:00 GMT 10
80s are now ancient
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Post by longaotian on Apr 24, 2019 7:41:41 GMT 10
The fashion of that era was regularly trashed troughout this decade. It's kind of amusing watching people looking back it and see how far the backlash has gone. Well I think it comes down to what specific aspect one is referring to. I'm saying you walk into a house, you walk into a Dunkin Donuts, and it was built or renovated in the early or mid 00's, I don't think it's going to disgust anybody. Though this may be in part because the era was for the most part, pretty bland in decor. I wouldnt be so sure. I think it was about late 2017, and my mum was putting some new curtains in our lounge room and my oldest sister walked in and looked at them and was like ewwww, what is it..2003? Also you can definitely tell if a house was built in the early 2000's by walking into the kitchen... everything is beige.
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