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Post by velociraptor on May 12, 2019 5:23:29 GMT 10
what would you say was the truest 90s year then? because ive seen pictures from 94 where theres some "slight" late 80s leftovers in terms of fashion for example having seen it with my own eyes 1995 its about 100% 90's any 80s leftovers you saw in 94 are most likely from teachers or old people who were not with the times what year would be the ultimate 90s year then according to your expertise?
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Post by John Titor on May 12, 2019 5:24:51 GMT 10
having seen it with my own eyes 1995 its about 100% 90's any 80s leftovers you saw in 94 are most likely from teachers or old people who were not with the times what year would be the ultimate 90s year then according to your expertise? 95 or majority 96 until fall
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Post by velociraptor on May 12, 2019 5:56:56 GMT 10
what year would be the ultimate 90s year then according to your expertise? 95 or majority 96 until fall why not 94? and what about 93? ive seen some guys over at inthe00s claiming that 1993 was the peak of the 90s lol
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Post by John Titor on May 12, 2019 14:20:36 GMT 10
95 or majority 96 until fall why not 94? and what about 93? ive seen some guys over at inthe00s claiming that 1993 was the peak of the 90s lol LMAO @ them saying that, I was there LIVE lol 93 was a transition for the late 80s/early 90s culture to the core 90s. 93 still had new jack swing, people playing regular Nintendo (the last bits of it), some fashions were still very 80s looking despite Grunge being a force with Nirvana. The whole vibe of 93 was upbeat. Fonts on commercials still had that New Jack Swing style. 94 leans more towards core 90s, I would say 95 beats it but you are not wrong at all for saying 94. things that COULd make 94 peak 90s - Donkey Kong Country debuts and kills Sega's hype for years - Grunge - commercials have Grunge Font, things look gritty - Gangsta Rap is now in full force and fully mainstream - Tommy becomes the White Power Ranger - Lion King debuts - Sonic 3 debuts - Peak of Sonics popularity - Ace Ventura -Neon clothing is dead I could go on and on but yeah 94 and 95 are good contenders
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Post by #Infinity on May 15, 2019 14:43:04 GMT 10
USA didn't get that song until 97, had it came here earlier then yeah def Actually, that song was in fact a minor hit around the end of 1995 in America. It peaked at #69 on the Hot 100 and got to #35 on the Mainstream Top 40. I would also point to this song, which wasn't an American or British hit until 1997 but was already out in Sweden in 1995: As for other "Y2K" influences in 1995, I would absolutely point to the Internet going mainstream, as it kicked off the Dot Com craze that would peak near the end of the decade. Additionally, frosted tip hair, while yet to edge out grunge fashion, was starting to get a bit of mild attention thanks to bands like Green Day. In gaming, I would absolutely point to the original PlayStation's launch as a Y2K influence present in 1995. While the system was nowhere near it's peak and a little different from its later years due to the lack of the DualShock controller, it did sell pretty well upon its release and was full of video games with fully fleshed-out 3D environments despite Super Mario 64 not being out yet to standardize 3D gaming. The following song, while still kind of primitive in its instrumentation (which sounds like the Nicki French cover of "Total Eclipse of the Heart", also from 1995), seems like an early precursor to bands like Steps and S Club 7, who who dominate the late '90s and early 2000s in the UK, based on their aesthetic and sense of fashion: One last Y2K-ish piece of media that came out in 1995 would be this, a bubblegum dance song that predated "Barbie Girl" (a game changer for eurodance that marked a shift away from serious, harder, and more soulful dance music towards glossy cheese with nonsensical lyrics and a bigger focus on catchiness than depth):
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Post by aja675 on May 15, 2019 14:51:18 GMT 10
Just Friends? OMG, I have their 1998 album, found it on sale. 
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Post by velociraptor on May 15, 2019 15:06:23 GMT 10
USA didn't get that song until 97, had it came here earlier then yeah def Actually, that song was in fact a minor hit around the end of 1995 in America. It peaked at #69 on the Hot 100 and got to #35 on the Mainstream Top 40. I would also point to this song, which wasn't an American or British hit until 1997 but was already out in Sweden in 1995: yes im from Sweden and i remember that song, do you think that Y2K started earlier in europe?
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Post by velociraptor on May 15, 2019 15:06:38 GMT 10
USA didn't get that song until 97, had it came here earlier then yeah def Actually, that song was in fact a minor hit around the end of 1995 in America. It peaked at #69 on the Hot 100 and got to #35 on the Mainstream Top 40. I would also point to this song, which wasn't an American or British hit until 1997 but was already out in Sweden in 1995: yes im from Sweden and i remember that song, do you think that Y2K started earlier in europe?
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 15, 2019 18:39:53 GMT 10
This isn't so much an example of Y2K aesthetics, but Pulp had a hit with "Disco 2000" in 1995 as well. It just emphasises the fact that the anticipation for the new millennium was beginning to build momentum at the time.
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Post by John Titor on May 16, 2019 2:08:47 GMT 10
USA didn't get that song until 97, had it came here earlier then yeah def Actually, that song was in fact a minor hit around the end of 1995 in America. It peaked at #69 on the Hot 100 and got to #35 on the Mainstream Top 40. I would also point to this song, which wasn't an American or British hit until 1997 but was already out in Sweden in 1995: As for other "Y2K" influences in 1995, I would absolutely point to the Internet going mainstream, as it kicked off the Dot Com craze that would peak near the end of the decade. Additionally, frosted tip hair, while yet to edge out grunge fashion, was starting to get a bit of mild attention thanks to bands like Green Day. In gaming, I would absolutely point to the original PlayStation's launch as a Y2K influence present in 1995. While the system was nowhere near it's peak and a little different from its later years due to the lack of the DualShock controller, it did sell pretty well upon its release and was full of video games with fully fleshed-out 3D environments despite Super Mario 64 not being out yet to standardize 3D gaming. The following song, while still kind of primitive in its instrumentation (which sounds like the Nicki French cover of "Total Eclipse of the Heart", also from 1995), seems like an early precursor to bands like Steps and S Club 7, who who dominate the late '90s and early 2000s in the UK, based on their aesthetic and sense of fashion: One last Y2K-ish piece of media that came out in 1995 would be this, a bubblegum dance song that predated "Barbie Girl" (a game changer for eurodance that marked a shift away from serious, harder, and more soulful dance music towards glossy cheese with nonsensical lyrics and a bigger focus on catchiness than depth): I mainly talking about the USA in terms of y2k influences in 95, you had a few - Minor radio play for BSB using the late 90s/early 00s Max Martin template, the most major play BSB got in America before 97 was The Nutty Professor soundtrack - Bjork and her Post album - Ps1's launch as well as Sega Saturn But it did not make a huge dent in the usa until late 96-early 97, Y2k fashions hit the runway in 96 to showcase the 97 clothings that would appear (which the majority were shiny and sleek like the y2k era is known for) In 97 like you said yes Robyn's song became a hit and major hit and became peoples first taste at a NSYNC/Britney type song. 95 in a nutshell had NICHE y2k elements that would become mainstream in the USA in 1997. I can't really cover UK or Australia but as far as the USA went as soon as JAN 97 hit all of the y2k type things were coming together to form the era -WWF Attitude era starts with Red ropes and Raw Is War - PS1 overtakes n64 popularity thanks to Tomb Raider 2, Final Fantasy 7 - y2k fashions become mainstream - south Park debuts and becomes a hit - SNES retires - Fonts start looking futuristic in appearance - King of the Hill debuts - Teen pop starts becoming very popular thanks to Spice Girls USA single in January 1997
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Post by velociraptor on May 16, 2019 2:49:56 GMT 10
Actually, that song was in fact a minor hit around the end of 1995 in America. It peaked at #69 on the Hot 100 and got to #35 on the Mainstream Top 40. I would also point to this song, which wasn't an American or British hit until 1997 but was already out in Sweden in 1995: As for other "Y2K" influences in 1995, I would absolutely point to the Internet going mainstream, as it kicked off the Dot Com craze that would peak near the end of the decade. Additionally, frosted tip hair, while yet to edge out grunge fashion, was starting to get a bit of mild attention thanks to bands like Green Day. In gaming, I would absolutely point to the original PlayStation's launch as a Y2K influence present in 1995. While the system was nowhere near it's peak and a little different from its later years due to the lack of the DualShock controller, it did sell pretty well upon its release and was full of video games with fully fleshed-out 3D environments despite Super Mario 64 not being out yet to standardize 3D gaming. The following song, while still kind of primitive in its instrumentation (which sounds like the Nicki French cover of "Total Eclipse of the Heart", also from 1995), seems like an early precursor to bands like Steps and S Club 7, who who dominate the late '90s and early 2000s in the UK, based on their aesthetic and sense of fashion: One last Y2K-ish piece of media that came out in 1995 would be this, a bubblegum dance song that predated "Barbie Girl" (a game changer for eurodance that marked a shift away from serious, harder, and more soulful dance music towards glossy cheese with nonsensical lyrics and a bigger focus on catchiness than depth): I mainly talking about the USA in terms of y2k influences in 95, you had a few - Minor radio play for BSB using the late 90s/early 00s Max Martin template, the most major play BSB got in America before 97 was The Nutty Professor soundtrack - Bjork and her Post album - Ps1's launch as well as Sega Saturn But it did not make a huge dent in the usa until late 96-early 97, Y2k fashions hit the runway in 96 to showcase the 97 clothings that would appear (which the majority were shiny and sleek like the y2k era is known for) In 97 like you said yes Robyn's song became a hit and major hit and became peoples first taste at a NSYNC/Britney type song. 95 in a nutshell had NICHE y2k elements that would become mainstream in the USA in 1997. I can't really cover UK or Australia but as far as the USA went as soon as JAN 97 hit all of the y2k type things were coming together to form the era -WWF Attitude era starts with Red ropes and Raw Is War - PS1 overtakes n64 popularity thanks to Tomb Raider 2, Final Fantasy 7 - y2k fashions become mainstream - south Park debuts and becomes a hit - SNES retires - Fonts start looking futuristic in appearance - King of the Hill debuts - Teen pop starts becoming very popular thanks to Spice Girls USA single in January 1997 ok cool, so basically there is no such thing as "core 90s" then but rather the decade should be divided into three distinct eras
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Post by mc98 on May 16, 2019 3:51:24 GMT 10
While those Y2K stuff appeared in 1995, the year still had that Gen X, grungy vibe.
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Post by John Titor on May 16, 2019 4:13:32 GMT 10
I mainly talking about the USA in terms of y2k influences in 95, you had a few - Minor radio play for BSB using the late 90s/early 00s Max Martin template, the most major play BSB got in America before 97 was The Nutty Professor soundtrack - Bjork and her Post album - Ps1's launch as well as Sega Saturn But it did not make a huge dent in the usa until late 96-early 97, Y2k fashions hit the runway in 96 to showcase the 97 clothings that would appear (which the majority were shiny and sleek like the y2k era is known for) In 97 like you said yes Robyn's song became a hit and major hit and became peoples first taste at a NSYNC/Britney type song. 95 in a nutshell had NICHE y2k elements that would become mainstream in the USA in 1997. I can't really cover UK or Australia but as far as the USA went as soon as JAN 97 hit all of the y2k type things were coming together to form the era -WWF Attitude era starts with Red ropes and Raw Is War - PS1 overtakes n64 popularity thanks to Tomb Raider 2, Final Fantasy 7 - y2k fashions become mainstream - south Park debuts and becomes a hit - SNES retires - Fonts start looking futuristic in appearance - King of the Hill debuts - Teen pop starts becoming very popular thanks to Spice Girls USA single in January 1997 ok cool, so basically there is no such thing as "core 90s" then but rather the decade should be divided into three distinct eras Exactly, without getting 2 decadeology like 1987- 1992* - New Jack Swing Campy era 1993- November 1996 Gangsta Rap/ Grunge/ 16 bit era January 1997- April/August 2001 y2k era this is how it was in the United states ^ *despite Grunge popping up in 91 with Nirvana the era really didn't start until late 92 into 93 with all of the copy acts & Bill Clintons first year
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Post by #Infinity on May 16, 2019 5:58:15 GMT 10
I don't think it's fair to totally exclude places outside of the US, even if you're more familiar with a domestic perspective. Internationally, the famous wave of teen pop began more in summer-autumn 1996, when "Wannabe" was already out, "Mysterious Girl" became a huge soccer hit, the Backstreet Boys AND *NSYNC had their non-US breakthrough, and bands like 911, Damage, and Human Nature made their debuts, while the previous era of boybands ruled by Take That came to an end.
I definitely wouldn’t call the Saturn a Y2K system, despite the fact that it was a 32-bit machine with lots of 3D games. It was discontinued around 1998 and was basically already irrelevant by 1997, when the N64 and PS1 had solidified their lead. Honestly, the Saturn is more similar to the firmly mid-'90s Atari Jaguar and Panasonic 3DO, both of which were failed 5th-Gen consoles that were overpriced, lacked good games, never had analog sticks, and were too difficult to program for. The DreamCast in particular is the quintessential "Y2K" system, having pushed the boundaries of games at release and being very popular in the 1999-2000 school year before being discontinued as the Y2K era winded down.
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Post by John Titor on May 16, 2019 6:04:03 GMT 10
I don't think it's fair to totally exclude places outside of the US, even if you're more familiar with a domestic perspective. Internationally, the famous wave of teen pop began more in summer-autumn 1996, when "Wannabe" was already out, "Mysterious Girl" became a huge soccer hit, the Backstreet Boys AND *NSYNC had their non-US breakthrough, and bands like 911, Damage, and Human Nature made their debuts, while the previous era of boybands ruled by Take That came to an end. I definitely wouldn’t call the Saturn a Y2K system, despite the fact that it was a 32-bit system with lots of 3D games. It was discontinued around 1998 and was basically already irrelevant by 1997, when the N64 and PS1 had solidified their lead. Honestly, the Saturn is more similar to the firmly mid-'90s Atari Jaguar and Panasonic 3DO, both of which were failed 5th-Gen consoles that were overpriced, lacked good games, never had analog sticks, and were too difficult to program for. The DreamCast in particular is the quintessential "Y2K" system. Thats why is good to get different perspectives on eras and years from a different country, for example for you guys you got spice girls in 96, USA got it in 1997. Different vibes for different areas. I have to add Playstation arriving worldwide in 95 did not make much of a dent until late 96 and totally destroyed Nintendo's popularity by the time FF 7 came out with its huge marketing campaign. I played Sega Saturn once in a friends apartment, I think it was Daytona or something & thought it looked cool but it did not really had games. Playstation won me over with Tomb Raider 2 essentially & Final Fantasy 7. I had a Dreamcast and it its the epitome of Y2k design, too bad it didn't last tho! Nintendo 64 (not to go on a tagent) had MASSIVE hype when Mario 64 launched and then fizzled out after Star Fox 64 in the Summer of 97, there were a few blips and blobs like Banjo Kazooie and Zelda in 98. The y2k era of video games is an interesting one for sure.
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