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Post by John Titor on Apr 10, 2019 6:23:23 GMT 10
www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/90s-obsessions-nostalgia-charli-xcx-768664/"When I asked McGrath about it last year, he lamented how the post-Y2K era never got its own identity. “What would you call it, the Noughties? The 2000s? No one knows what to call it. No one knows when it started or ended.” The collapse of the music business added to the confusion. “There was no Nirvana in the 2000s, no band to come along and usher in the new decade. So they didn’t have a new decade. Nothing replaced the Nineties, even though the decade was over.” Clearly the person who wrote this is a moron. The 2000s had many things that defined the era. - Myspace - Snap rap - Emo - Fashions, Von Dutch, Bling, Surf Trend, Emo trend, braids, track pants, Colored sunglasses, Frosted tips in the early part, Khaki pants, shirts with ANGEL on it, BEBE,FCUK,UGG - Playstation 2, GTA - AOL AIM - ButterFly tops - Crunk movement started shortly before 9/11 and ended during the 2008 crash. The guy who wrote this article clearly did NO research at all.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 18, 2019 22:55:51 GMT 10
I think he has a point, to be honest. I don't entirely disagree with what he's saying.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 19, 2019 1:41:39 GMT 10
I think he has a point, to be honest. I don't entirely disagree with what he's saying. its not really true 90s 2000s all had defining aspects of the culture tho
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Post by al on Apr 19, 2019 8:41:33 GMT 10
The 2000's had plenty going on. Perhaps so much that it has made it more difficult to define, as it will be here on out. We'll have to change our perception moving forward, from expecting a singular look or sound to embracing multiple facets of an era. And that's not to say it hasn't been that way for a while, but in the past we still had enough of a general vision to retain this view. In the internet age, you just won't find that anymore.
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Post by longaotian on Apr 19, 2019 22:08:03 GMT 10
I think he has a point, to be honest. I don't entirely disagree with what he's saying. Disagree.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 19, 2019 23:02:46 GMT 10
What does a stereotypical 2010s home decor look like? How many people do you know personally who actually refer to this decade as the "2010s" or say things like, "this is my favourite '10s TV show" or "the '10s are better than the '00s"? Name a fashion style from this decade that either: A) Isn't a revival of previous trends, such as flannelette shirts, double-denim, skinny jeans. Or B) Is something that isn't niche' or vaguely defined, like the whole Hipster scene. The fact that nostalgia has played such a huge role in the pop culture of this decade speaks for itself. There's very little in the way of new/original content that actually defines 2019. Just take a look at some of the movies that are set to be released this year; "Aladdin", "The Lion King", "Dumbo", "Charlie's Angels". That's not even counting all of the sequels to past franchises that are scheduled to be released as well. Even the music world isn't immune to this. With the only exception being "Old Town Road" (as it is a Trap Country song), can you honestly say that any of the songs on the Top-40 charts are genres of music that weren't popular before the Mid 2010s? What makes 2019 music stand out from the other years of this decade? Trap is still popular, so is EDM, so is country. Heck, even indie pop still has a presence thanks to "3 Nights" and "Sucker" becoming hits. 2010s music is largely consistent in part due to the fact that there is little to no originality or creativity. A lot of people say that the Indie scene is unique to the 2010s, but even it had already entered the mainstream during the 2000s. Bands such as Arctic Monkeys and The Killers are considered "indie". EDM is really just an abbreviation of "Electronic Dance Music" and it has existed for decades. The 2000's had plenty going on. They did, but even the 2000s were significantly defined by fads/trends from previous decades. The "Garage Rock" revival of the Early 2000s was essentially a conscious effort to return rock back to it's stripped-down, back-to-basic roots and many of the band members sported looks which drew on styles from the '50s and '60s. Many of the biggest genres of music in the '00s had their origins in the '90s, such as teen-pop, pop-punk, post-grunge and eurodance. Even the "Emo" scene of the Mid-Late 2000s was really just a natural progression of an underground genre that had been bubbling underneath the surface since the Early '90s.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 20, 2019 2:15:55 GMT 10
What does a stereotypical 2010s home decor look like? How many people do you know personally who actually refer to this decade as the "2010s" or say things like, "this is my favourite '10s TV show" or "the '10s are better than the '00s"? Name a fashion style from this decade that either: A) Isn't a revival of previous trends, such as flannelette shirts, double-denim, skinny jeans. Or B) Is something that isn't niche' or vaguely defined, like the whole Hipster scene. The fact that nostalgia has played such a huge role in the pop culture of this decade speaks for itself. There's very little in the way of new/original content that actually defines 2019. Just take a look at some of the movies that are set to be released this year; "Aladdin", "The Lion King", "Dumbo", "Charlie's Angels". That's not even counting all of the sequels to past franchises that are scheduled to be released as well. Even the music world isn't immune to this. With the only exception being "Old Town Road" (as it is a Trap Country song), can you honestly say that any of the songs on the Top-40 charts are genres of music that weren't popular before the Mid 2010s? What makes 2019 music stand out from the other years of this decade? Trap is still popular, so is EDM, so is country. Heck, even indie pop still has a presence thanks to "3 Nights" and "Sucker" becoming hits. 2010s music is largely consistent in part due to the fact that there is little to no originality or creativity. A lot of people say that the Indie scene is unique to the 2010s, but even it had already entered the mainstream during the 2000s. Bands such as Arctic Monkeys and The Killers are considered "indie". EDM is really just an abbreviation of "Electronic Dance Music" and it has existed for decades. The 2000's had plenty going on. They did, but even the 2000s were significantly defined by fads/trends from previous decades. The "Garage Rock" revival of the Early 2000s was essentially a conscious effort to return rock back to it's stripped-down, back-to-basic roots and many of the band members sported looks which drew on styles from the '50s and '60s. Many of the biggest genres of music in the '00s had their origins in the '90s, such as teen-pop, pop-punk, post-grunge and eurodance. Even the "Emo" scene of the Mid-Late 2000s was really just a natural progression of an underground genre that had been bubbling underneath the surface since the Early '90s. 2000s Zeitgeist things & Atmosphere Neptunes producing everything EMO Pop Punk Phase 2 (sum 41, Jimmy Eat world etc) Bling BLing on clothing Colorful eye shadow and dark smokey eye shadow Reality Tv explosion Myspace.com Skate boarding culture resurgence Tattoos on your lower back The Small Garage rock revival (even if it was based) Playstation 2/ Xbox/ Gamecube George W Bush and his Zany presidency 9/11 & the ramifications of security because of it Wiifi & public Wifi Crunk Krump Surf Trend (The Oc Laguna beach) Music video shows, TRL 106 & Park 80s nostalgia GTA open world games Indeed the 2000s had things that were off shoots of other things but they had their own atmosphere.
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Post by longaotian on Apr 20, 2019 7:15:26 GMT 10
What does a stereotypical 2010s home decor look like? How many people do you know personally who actually refer to this decade as the "2010s" or say things like, "this is my favourite '10s TV show" or "the '10s are better than the '00s"? Name a fashion style from this decade that either: A) Isn't a revival of previous trends, such as flannelette shirts, double-denim, skinny jeans. Or B) Is something that isn't niche' or vaguely defined, like the whole Hipster scene. The fact that nostalgia has played such a huge role in the pop culture of this decade speaks for itself. There's very little in the way of new/original content that actually defines 2019. Just take a look at some of the movies that are set to be released this year; "Aladdin", "The Lion King", "Dumbo", "Charlie's Angels". That's not even counting all of the sequels to past franchises that are scheduled to be released as well. Even the music world isn't immune to this. With the only exception being "Old Town Road" (as it is a Trap Country song), can you honestly say that any of the songs on the Top-40 charts are genres of music that weren't popular before the Mid 2010s? What makes 2019 music stand out from the other years of this decade? Trap is still popular, so is EDM, so is country. Heck, even indie pop still has a presence thanks to "3 Nights" and "Sucker" becoming hits. 2010s music is largely consistent in part due to the fact that there is little to no originality or creativity. A lot of people say that the Indie scene is unique to the 2010s, but even it had already entered the mainstream during the 2000s. Bands such as Arctic Monkeys and The Killers are considered "indie". EDM is really just an abbreviation of "Electronic Dance Music" and it has existed for decades. Um not sure what you're talking about but the decade referred to in this thread is the 2000s so dont know why you're trying to convince me the 2010s have no identity.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 20, 2019 23:01:36 GMT 10
Um not sure what you're talking about but the decade referred to in this thread is the 2000s so dont know why you're trying to convince me the 2010s have no identity. Well the Rolling Stone article is about how 2018 was a year of '90s obsessions and how pop culture in general has lacked a strong identity since the Late '90s. My post was just a general response to that article. 
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Post by al on Apr 21, 2019 11:31:55 GMT 10
They did, but even the 2000s were significantly defined by fads/trends from previous decades. The "Garage Rock" revival of the Early 2000s was essentially a conscious effort to return rock back to it's stripped-down, back-to-basic roots and many of the band members sported looks which drew on styles from the '50s and '60s. Many of the biggest genres of music in the '00s had their origins in the '90s, such as teen-pop, pop-punk, post-grunge and eurodance. Even the "Emo" scene of the Mid-Late 2000s was really just a natural progression of an underground genre that had been bubbling underneath the surface since the Early '90s. While true, I still think of these things as the 00's version. It's impossible to literally recreate the past because it already happened; it will always be in response to that past trend or event, with sprinklings of the current age. Like how 80's glam was a response to it in the early 70's and how rock was in need of more "show*, the Rolling Stones' music was a response to much earlier Blues created by African Americans in the 50's and the demand for grittier rock n'roll, the late 60's Art Nouveau revival was a response to well, that, and the sterility of midcentury modern. Still, that doesn't stop any of the above from being purely its decade. It gets altered with an appropriately modern spin. I do know what you mean though. There has been more of a reliance on nostalgia and re-creation, 100%. I have to wonder if it is at least partially some meta business decision, as it's more costly to take the risk on something new or unusual. It's safe to stick with promoting products you already know will sell. That said, it also leaves you with the bland and the been-done. Innovation, at least from a cultural standpoint, is becoming more the domain of those with "nothing to lose" instead of recognized trendsetters. I also go back to my usual spiel that nothing can really "die" anymore and remains continually accessible. The abundant information is a tool as well as an inhibitor.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 22, 2019 21:38:05 GMT 10
While true, I still think of these things as the 00's version. It's impossible to literally recreate the past because it already happened; it will always be in response to that past trend or event, with sprinklings of the current age. Like how 80's glam was a response to it in the early 70's and how rock was in need of more "show*, the Rolling Stones' music was a response to much earlier Blues created by African Americans in the 50's and the demand for grittier rock n'roll, the late 60's Art Nouveau revival was a response to well, that, and the sterility of midcentury modern. Still, that doesn't stop any of the above from being purely its decade. It gets altered with an appropriately modern spin. I do know what you mean though. There has been more of a reliance on nostalgia and re-creation, 100%. I have to wonder if it is at least partially some meta business decision, as it's more costly to take the risk on something new or unusual. It's safe to stick with promoting products you already know will sell. That said, it also leaves you with the bland and the been-done. Innovation, at least from a cultural standpoint, is becoming more the domain of those with "nothing to lose" instead of recognized trendsetters. I also go back to my usual spiel that nothing can really "die" anymore and remains continually accessible. The abundant information is a tool as well as an inhibitor. I personally don't think the same comparison can really be made with the genres of music which were popular in the '00s. I mean, I can see what you mean in regards to that theory and I don't disagree with you at all, however I think the stylistic differences within genres were generally much greater in the past than what they have been since the Late '90s. For instance, the glam rock scene of the Early '70s was essentially an entirely different scene from the glam music that manifested in the mainstream some 15 years later. The Early '70s scene placed more of an emphasis on glitter/make-up, gender ambiguity and a sonically diverse sound, while the Mid-Late '80s scene was defined by it's overly-macho lyrics and a sexualised image. The two movements share quite a lot of similarities, of course, however there was also a lot that set them apart to. They added to the overall makeup of those two decades rather than detracting from them. Very few people would compare David Bowie or T-Rex to an '80s glam band like Bon Jovi, lol.  The point i'm making is that the lack of development in certain genres (most notably rock music in general) led, in part, to the pop-culture of the 2000s and 2010s failing to develop a truly unique, coherent identity of their own. Post-Grunge remained in the mainstream for 16 years (1994-2010). While the '00s incarnation of the genre contrasted significantly from the '90s movement in several ways, it was still essentially just a glossier, more commercial-driven extension of that same style of music, only without the angst-ridden lyrics and substance. "Lips of an Angel" by Hinder could easily have been released by Creed or Nickelback some 7-8 years earlier. Also, post-grunge consecutively remained in the mainstream for all those years, whereas glam rock actually fell out of popularity during the second-half of the '70s and experienced a revival several years later. No one refers to something from this decade as a "'10s thing". The 2000s and the 2010s just don't feel unified in the same way that the pop-culture of the Mid-Late 20th Century decades do. I actually don't think the internet itself is to blame for that. The lack of innovation, combined with the increasing number of different ways to consume entertainment, has meant that pop culture has become too reliant on past ideas/styles for it's own good. It's just an issue of stagnation more than anything else. Everything feels as though it has been done before. I'm not sure if it's so much the case of business people and those in the entertainment industry not being open to the idea of something new. You're right, it is more costly to take the risk on something new (especially now in the "make or break" era of social media), but I think the issue has more to with the fact that they're having to rely so much on old franchises/styles because there is no basis to drive pop-culture forward. Nostalgia isn't a new concept within the industry. There was a huge amount of nostalgia for the '50s during the 1970s and 1980s, yet that didn't hinder the development of new styles, genres and trends in those respective decades. If we want to actually move forward as a collective society, we really need to ask ourselves these questions. What haven't we heard in music before? What type of format haven't we seen on TV before? If i'm being honest, i'm not entirely convinced that the internet is a inhibitor to new trends in pop-culture. Look at how huge Trap is at the moment. It owes it's existence to social media sites like Soundcloud and it is connecting with a generation of kids/teens worldwide, so much so that it is defining them in the same way that Grunge characterised Gen-X. The trouble is, it's impact isn't truly being felt due to the concurrent trends/fads in pop culture being stale in comparison. We've still got songs on our Top-40 charts which have a similar sound to pop songs from 3-4 years ago. EDM is still one of the biggest genres in the world, even though it has been for over six years now. It also doesn't help matters that the mainstream media (e.g Top-40 radio, TV) still hasn't worked out a way to incorporate the biggest names/trends on social media onto their platforms. You won't hear something from Lil Uzi Vert or 6ix9ine on the main pop stations (which is for the best really  ), but a newly released song from a now irrelevant artist such as P!nk or Katy Perry will be played repeatedly. Even though TV and FM radio are no longer the main mediums for consuming entertainment, if they were more closely aligned to follow what is going on on social media, it would really help to establish a sense of pop-culture having more of a unique identity.
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Post by al on Apr 30, 2019 14:02:15 GMT 10
@sharksfan99 I could spend hours responding to this topic but for now I have come up with a brief summary I am comfortable with:
We are now recycling previously recycled material.
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Post by velociraptor on May 18, 2019 5:43:29 GMT 10
www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/90s-obsessions-nostalgia-charli-xcx-768664/"When I asked McGrath about it last year, he lamented how the post-Y2K era never got its own identity. “What would you call it, the Noughties? The 2000s? No one knows what to call it. No one knows when it started or ended.” The collapse of the music business added to the confusion. “There was no Nirvana in the 2000s, no band to come along and usher in the new decade. So they didn’t have a new decade. Nothing replaced the Nineties, even though the decade was over.” Clearly the person who wrote this is a moron. The 2000s had many things that defined the era. - Myspace - Snap rap - Emo - Fashions, Von Dutch, Bling, Surf Trend, Emo trend, braids, track pants, Colored sunglasses, Frosted tips in the early part, Khaki pants, shirts with ANGEL on it, BEBE,FCUK,UGG - Playstation 2, GTA - AOL AIM - ButterFly tops - Crunk movement started shortly before 9/11 and ended during the 2008 crash. The guy who wrote this article clearly did NO research at all. im sure that he just ignored you
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), but a newly released song from a now irrelevant artist such as P!nk or Katy Perry will be played repeatedly. Even though TV and FM radio are no longer the main mediums for consuming entertainment, if they were more closely aligned to follow what is going on on social media, it would really help to establish a sense of pop-culture having more of a unique identity.
