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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 12, 2019 20:23:35 GMT 10
I've avoided talking about topics relating to death so far, however I feel as though this could make for an interesting discussion. I'll tell you about a story which relates to this topic. A friend of my Mum's has a daughter (she is in her early 20s) who has repeatedly attempted to take her own life. Her most recent attempt was just a couple of months ago (I won't go into the details) and it had resulted in her spending time in the psychiatric ward at hospital. The mother had informed the father of what had happened when she found out the news, but her father went to work that afternoon as normal, as if it was nothing. He didn't even visit his daughter while she was in hospital. There's obviously more to this than what I am describing, but I will leave it at that as I don't want to shed more light on what is really a private matter.
To be honest, I don't know the family personally or what the father is like as an individual, but hearing about his seemingly lack of care over the fact that his daughter had attempted to commit suicide infuriated me personally. It just reaffirms the sad reality that there is still a sizable proportion of society who don't give a toss about suicide or mental illness in general.
I expect most people will probably disagree with this, but I will ask the question anyway. Do you believe committing suicide is cowardly?
With the way in which I have abbreviated the word "cowardly" in the title of this thread, you can probably guess what my thoughts are on this. Dispelling the negative connotations associated with people who consider suicide is something that I personally feel passionate about and there is a reason for that. I have had suicidal thoughts in the past. I have never attempted to commit suicide, but I have contemplated doing so on several occasions.
Having gone through all of those negative emotions myself, it sickens me to think that there are still a lot of people out there who dismiss others who are wanting to take their own lives as "attention-seekers" or "cowards". How can someone live with themselves knowing that they are essentially taking pleasure in the internal pain and suffering of others? I mean, if you're calling someone who has attempted (or is even thinking about) suicide a "coward", you're just dragging them through more emotional turmoil. Suicide shouldn't be taken lightly. I hate seeing comments online from people who mock others for either contemplating or attempting to take their own lives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2019 2:15:41 GMT 10
Given the fact that most people fear death, suicide certainly is not cowardly. Until you have been there, you have no right to make such accusation. I have made 3 suicide attempts in the past 35 years.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 14, 2019 23:22:37 GMT 10
Given the fact that most people fear death, suicide certainly is not cowardly. Until you have been there, you have no right to make such accusation. I have made 3 suicide attempts in the past 35 years. That's exactly right. I'm really sorry to hear that you have attempted to take your own life. I hope everything is well for you now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2019 1:08:49 GMT 10
Thank you, Shark.
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Post by al on Apr 19, 2019 8:22:47 GMT 10
I completely agree that most people fear death, therefore how could they say it is cowardly.
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Post by fanofdorks on May 4, 2019 2:44:18 GMT 10
To me it totally depends on reasons. My stepdad was a paranoid schizophrenic and his social worker had gotten in contact with the careworker who had abused him when he was at a care home as a child. The SW had the dumbass idea that Philip should sit down with man and ask why he did what he did. Obviously this thought was too much for him and he took his own life.
Watching the news recently and some guy who had been abusing kids shot himself days before being due in court. that to me is a coward
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Post by Captain Nemo on Nov 15, 2019 4:51:01 GMT 10
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Post by karlpalaka on Nov 16, 2019 7:27:32 GMT 10
I would say it is cowardly, since you are basically giving up your life instead of trying to make it better or wait it out. I mean I have had times where people in my situation would commit suicide, but I never really attempted to commit suicide even though I had felt like my life was over, cause committing suicide would not make it any better. You do not know what will happen after, and well the other people will just enjoy their lives while your life is no longer there. Also, I know many people in this world have a worse life than me, so normally, I try not to think about the people who seem to be living the life that I want to live, cause I know they must also be having some bad things happening at the moment too. This is why I hate social media, cause a lot of suicide is caused by stuff in social media such as someone posting an embarrassing photo or video along with death rates. Also, some people do it for stupid reasons such as being denied a friend request, not getting followed back, being unfollowed, being unfriended, being blocked, and being removed from a group chat, and even people do it for breakups from a boyfriend or girlfriend. I mean to be honest, it is better to be single in many cases than be dating a boy or girl.
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Post by rainbow on Nov 16, 2019 8:27:48 GMT 10
I completely agree that most people fear death, therefore how could they say it is cowardly. I mean, I feel like staying alive when your life is absolutely awful and trying to stay strong is braver than just committing suicide.
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Post by Khal on Nov 16, 2019 8:37:22 GMT 10
Yes its cowardly because suicide is an easy way out for people that are too afraid to handle life. If you were really brave then you would face your problems.
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Post by rainbow on Nov 16, 2019 8:39:57 GMT 10
Yes its cowardly because suicide is an easy way out for people that are too afraid to handle life. If you were really brave then you would face your problems. I'm hearing a lot of people on this thread say "But most people fear death". I don't think y'all realize that not everyone actually fears death. Most people that do fear death probably wouldn't even want to die.
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Post by karlpalaka on Nov 16, 2019 11:00:08 GMT 10
Yes its cowardly because suicide is an easy way out for people that are too afraid to handle life. If you were really brave then you would face your problems. People think suicide is the escape from a miserable life, but really, you are just throwing away a life that could have been great. Besides, we dont know what happens after a person dies. It may be worse than being alive.
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Post by karlpalaka on Nov 16, 2019 11:01:12 GMT 10
Yes its cowardly because suicide is an easy way out for people that are too afraid to handle life. If you were really brave then you would face your problems. I'm hearing a lot of people on this thread say "But most people fear death". I don't think y'all realize that not everyone actually fears death. Most people that do fear death probably wouldn't even want to die. The only reason why those group of people dont fear death is cause they know they are going to die, but really, no one actually wants to die. If it was actually possible to live forever, I am pretty sure many would not want to die.
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Post by al on Nov 16, 2019 11:12:10 GMT 10
I mean, I feel like staying alive when your life is absolutely awful and trying to stay strong is braver than just committing suicide. I think I meant this in the context of those who directly criticize a suicidal individual. In my experience, those who seemingly lack compassion are often avoidant of the situation because they find it scary. It can affect the ego, in the sense that our overarching goal, as with pretty much all species, is to continue life. Somebody breaking that code can be existentially disruptive, as in “What are we doing any of this for then?” Though most will just feel deeply unsettled before getting directly there. I don’t at all claim this to be a universal experience, but I’ve witnessed it in many. I’d also say that the idea of suicide being “cowardly” has been something that has prevented sufferers of mental illness from speaking up. With the large majority of victims being men, frequently they feel there is too much of a stigma to get help, and therefore spiral further until it is too late. In that deep of despair, shaming the act won’t work as a prevention tool, whereas being able to share those feelings might. When it comes down to it, most people who are not ill are not able to kill themselves, at least without some rush of adrenaline otherwise. It is how we are wired, and a person has typically past a certain threshold before they can go through with it. So perhaps “afraid” is actually too simplistic, but rather suicide is naturally just not in someone healthier’s wheelhouse. But without being in their shoes, I don’t think we can really know what level of misery a person is in that is forcing them to put themselves out of it.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 16, 2019 20:45:06 GMT 10
I think we need to be careful when we talk about a sensitive topic such as suicide and regardless of your own personal stance on this matter, it's not something that should be made light of. At the end of the day, there's reasons as to why people come to the decision to take their own life. Depression can take your thoughts and skew them so that they work against you. You start believing that the people in your life would be better off without you, that you would be doing everyone a favour by removing yourself out of their lives. I've personally gone through it myself, to the point where I have even thought about how I would take my own life. It's disappointing to see that some of us believe that it is a cowardly thing to do.
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