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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 24, 2019 23:22:41 GMT 10
I'm interested to hear other people's opinions on this. Since their massive breakthrough back in 2014, 5 Seconds of Summer have ventured into a number of different styles and interests. Music critics and fans alike are generally undecided as to what genre the band fit in to. I've seen all of these labels applied to 5SOS at some point over the past five years; "teen pop", "pop-punk", "pop", "EDM" and even just simply "rock". When the band performed "Youngblood" at the ARIA Awards last year, they were referred to as the "biggest rock band in the world". Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
With all that being said, the biggest point of contention which has plagued the band during their lifespan is whether or not they are a "boy band". It has divided quite a lot of people over the years and that stigma has even discouraged some people from getting into them. I know that's personally the one thing which prevented me from taking a remote interest in their songs back in 2014. It also didn't help matters that they were hugely popular with young teenage girls, the same group of people who were also listening and buying songs from other contemporary teen-pop acts such as One Direction and Justin Bieber.
You can't deny the fact that "She Looks So Perfect" is very image-driven. Not only does the song have a radio-friendly sheen to it, but the music video itself is shot in such a way that it emphasises the looks of each of the band members (particularly the lead singer). It's basically a "teen pop" song with an extra layer of guitars. Also, the lyrical nature of the song covers a very stereotypical adolescent theme, that being a forbidden teenage relationship. Their subsequent singles have done little to convince me that they are no longer orientated towards young teens. Yes, they have "matured" by deciding to embrace EDM instead of pop-punk, but in the lyrical and structural department, they are still the same old band that they were five years ago. I think the old saying, "a leopard doesn't change it's spots", applies in this instance.
What is your opinion on this? Do you consider 5 Seconds of Summer a "boy band"?
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Post by al on Jul 25, 2019 9:43:19 GMT 10
IMO boy bands do not normally play instruments, or if they do, individually/casually (ie: Niall Horan). Therefore, I did not perceive 5SoS as a boyband when they debuted. They were, to me, a band, that had a unique, approachable sound. They were a little bit pop punk, but could hang between the pop and alt genres at the time, while playing up the “cute” appeal. There was nothing really groundbreaking about 5SoS other than that after a few years of 1D hysteria, they seemed fresh. These weren’t just cute boys, they were cute boys with guitars. If 1D was your crush in English class who played soccer, 5SoS was your crush in art class who skateboarded. Despite the piercings and hair dye, there was still something about 5SoS that made them feel squeaky clean, and like they belonged more in the teen pop genre than with other alt bands. At a different point in time, they likely would’ve just carried on being known as a band. But because the pop world was thirsty for this edgier flavor of boyband while it was still hot back in 2014, congratulations 5SoS, you are a boyband! I do believe it was a deliberate marketing decision at that time, but as for now where such a label doesn’t really seem advantageous nor detrimental, it doesn’t really seem like something you can backpedal on. I suppose from that perspective, being an “EDM group” probably is following current trends more than being a boyband, never mind a rock or pop punk band. That said, it does also appear to me that their doing this style, as opposed to something rock based, doesn’t help relieve the boyband stigma. It seems to me they still play their four piece set up live, so they haven’t gone EDM entirely, and from that perspective I have hard time still not personally classifying them as just, well, a band. But going by what I’ve been hearing from them on the radio, which has a negligible rock sound, I as a result think of the music as being from a boyband/group.
TLDR; I didn’t think of them as a boyband during the “She Looks So Perfect” due to their rock sound, despite being marketed that way to compete with 1D. Yet now ironically I think of them as more of a boyband, despite boybands not being the hot thing anymore, just because their sound has gotten much deeper into the EDM/pop sphere.
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Post by #Infinity on Jul 31, 2019 15:30:48 GMT 10
They're not any more a boyband than Hanson or the early Beatles were. Having a large fanbase of hormonal girls doesn't automatically classify you as a boyband. If they play their own instruments, they're a regular band that just happens to be comprised of pretty boys. Even with their new stuff being fake rock in the grand Imagine Dragons and 2010s Maroon 5 tradition, they're not exactly equivalent to BTS or One Direction.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 31, 2019 16:18:34 GMT 10
IMO boy bands do not normally play instruments, or if they do, individually/casually (ie: Niall Horan). Therefore, I did not perceive 5SoS as a boyband when they debuted. They were, to me, a band, that had a unique, approachable sound. They were a little bit pop punk, but could hang between the pop and alt genres at the time, while playing up the “cute” appeal. There was nothing really groundbreaking about 5SoS other than that after a few years of 1D hysteria, they seemed fresh. These weren’t just cute boys, they were cute boys with guitars. If 1D was your crush in English class who played soccer, 5SoS was your crush in art class who skateboarded. Despite the piercings and hair dye, there was still something about 5SoS that made them feel squeaky clean, and like they belonged more in the teen pop genre than with other alt bands. At a different point in time, they likely would’ve just carried on being known as a band. But because the pop world was thirsty for this edgier flavor of boyband while it was still hot back in 2014, congratulations 5SoS, you are a boyband! I do believe it was a deliberate marketing decision at that time, but as for now where such a label doesn’t really seem advantageous nor detrimental, it doesn’t really seem like something you can backpedal on. I suppose from that perspective, being an “EDM group” probably is following current trends more than being a boyband, never mind a rock or pop punk band. That said, it does also appear to me that their doing this style, as opposed to something rock based, doesn’t help relieve the boyband stigma. It seems to me they still play their four piece set up live, so they haven’t gone EDM entirely, and from that perspective I have hard time still not personally classifying them as just, well, a band. But going by what I’ve been hearing from them on the radio, which has a negligible rock sound, I as a result think of the music as being from a boyband/group. Yeah, that was always the case traditionally, but given how many other contemporary genres have become more loosely defined in recent years (e.g Pop incorporating Trap snares, rock being defined as anything and everything from Imagine Dragons to Metallica), I personally don't believe "boy bands" can still be pigeon-holed on the basis that they don't play instruments. I feel as though it is counter-intuitive to strictly define one sub-genre of music and not others which are just as influential, but that's just my opinion. I do agree that it would have been a deliberate marketing ploy to project 5 Seconds of Summer as a "boy band", given the context of their emergence into the mainstream. That being said, the band have done very little to overrule that perception in the years since then. If they play their own instruments, they're a regular band that just happens to be comprised of pretty boys. Image aside, the lyrical nature and production of the songs themselves are a truer indicator as to whether a group can qualify as a "boy band". There are bands out there who have a typically older fan base, yet are made up of members who have little to no musical ability. For instance, Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols was a terrible bass player and he didn't even play bass for most of the Never Mind the Bollocks sessions, however that never changed people's perceptions of the group. In fact, the Sex Pistols themselves only formed after their manager recruited each of the members to form a band in 1975; that's really no different to how boy bands such as One Direction or the Bay City Rollers came about. Defining a "boy band" purely based on whether the members of the band can play instruments is invalid in the current context and cancels itself out, especially at a time where many contemporary genres (e.g rock, country) have never been as loosely defined as what they are now. 5 Seconds of Summer tick all of the boxes when it comes to fitting the stereotypical "boy band" mould; the fact that they play their instruments shouldn't override all of the other qualities (e.g adolescent lyrical themes, the "pretty boy image") which are just as integral to their music.
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Post by al on Aug 6, 2019 1:09:56 GMT 10
How about: Boy bands have to dance.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 6, 2019 11:23:38 GMT 10
How about: Boy bands have to dance. Did One Direction ever dance in their music videos though? I honestly can't remember if they ever did.
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Post by al on Aug 6, 2019 23:52:20 GMT 10
Did One Direction ever dance in their music videos though? I honestly can't remember if they ever did. Maybe “choreographed” is a better word than danced? Latter part of this video: ^That’s probably the largest degree of dancing they ever did. Though if I remember, it was always an issue all the way back to their X Factor days. Zayn particularly did not want to dance and I don’t think the other guys were into it either, though Liam said recently that he’s okay with it. I’m assuming at some point that the producers just let it go, as trying was getting in the way. linklink
Interestingly the video gives me an ad for BTS dolls lolol.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 10, 2019 20:22:22 GMT 10
^That’s probably the largest degree of dancing they ever did. Though if I remember, it was always an issue all the way back to their X Factor days. Zayn particularly did not want to dance and I don’t think the other guys were into it either, though Liam said recently that he’s okay with it. I’m assuming at some point that the producers just let it go, as trying was getting in the way. Yeah, it's interesting how choreography was never an integral element to their output, especially when you consider how many boy-bands are heavily reliant on it for their success. I'm sure the music label and producers would have tried pressuring them into incorporating choreography more into their music videos, so in that sense, it's good that they stuck to their word and didn't cave in. Not that it would have made much of a difference anyway. Tweens and teenage girls were still massively into them regardless.
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