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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 26, 2019 12:04:21 GMT 10
The Greater Western Sydney Giants recently announced that they have reached 30,000 members, the highest number of members in the club's ten-year history. Some people, however, have been skeptical over the validity of that figure, as GWS Giants home matches notably have lower attendance figures and the club is known to hand out free memberships to school kids and pets. The AFL has reportedly poured millions of dollars into the franchise to try and make it competitive with the bigger clubs. As a New South Welshmen, I can confirm that the Giants haven't made a dent in the Sydney sporting landscape and they receive little coverage in the NSW media.
I was just interested to hear the opinions of members who do support the code, as I know very little about the AFL and I've never watched a game in full. Do you consider the GWS Giants to be a success on and off the field? Would you say that they are sustainable as a club?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2019 14:00:47 GMT 10
Yep, I pretty much agree that the GWS Giants have made very little impact in the Sydney sporting landscape and receive very little coverage in the local media. The Sydney Swans can be considered a success because the team was originally based in South Melbourne (so there already would've been a core fanbase) and of course, because they've won two AFL premierships during their time in Sydney.
IMO the Giants should be moved to Canberra (where I believe they already play some of their games), a region which would likely be far more supportive of an AFL team than Western Sydney is.
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Post by Qwerty on Jul 26, 2019 15:54:58 GMT 10
I’m personally astounded as to why they haven’t won a premiership with the amount of high draft picks (too many I feel) they received.
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Post by telemelbs on Jul 26, 2019 22:16:17 GMT 10
They're definitely not a success, and the AFL should've invested money in creating a new team in Tasmania instead. At the MCG last year in one of the qualifying finals I was at, they basically had a few hundred supporters...
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 27, 2019 22:23:24 GMT 10
Yep, I pretty much agree that the GWS Giants have made very little impact in the Sydney sporting landscape and receive very little coverage in the local media. The Sydney Swans can be considered a success because the team was originally based in South Melbourne (so there already would've been a core fanbase) and of course, because they've won two AFL premierships during their time in Sydney. IMO the Giants should be moved to Canberra (where I believe they already play some of their games), a region which would likely be far more supportive of an AFL team than Western Sydney is. I couldn't give you an exact figure, but I believe the Sydney Swans even achieve respectable crowd attendances on a regular basis. They've definitely cemented their place in the city, even if Aussie Rules itself hasn't achieved mass acceptance amongst the public. I agree that the Giants should be moved to the capital, but on the other hand, relocating the club would essentially be conceding defeat that Western Sydney was a mistake and the amount of negative press that would come as a result of the decision would be damaging for the code's image (particularly in NSW). Fans of the game have been saying for years that the Giants are unsustainable. The fact that the club has been in existence for a decade now and has yet to see any real growth in attendances/participation rates is telling enough. I'm sure the executives and board members of the AFL probably realise deep down that the GWS Giants should never have been added to the competition. However, in saying that, I can't see the AFL making any changes to the franchise unless something forces their hand, whether that be crowd figures declining even further or the club netting an even bigger loss in finances. Until then, the Giants will continue to be the under-performing, "black sheep" of the AFL.
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Post by EyewitnessTV on Sept 4, 2019 16:54:14 GMT 10
I’m personally astounded as to why they haven’t won a premiership with the amount of high draft picks (too many I feel) they received. Highly talented group but extremely selfish bunch of players for the most part at the Giants. The clubs (including the Suns) have no culture to speak of and even if they do eventually have some success no-one will really care either way I feel. Andrew Demetriou really did leave the game in a much poorer state than to when he started in the position. One rabble of a club mismanaged from day dot and one chock-full of talent with no success thus far. They have been a huge waste of time and done nothing but dilute the talent pool among 18 clubs instead of 16.
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Post by telemelbs on Sept 4, 2019 17:01:47 GMT 10
I found this interesting image on reddit about sports attendance in Sydney. Was very surprised to see that some NRL teams are getting lower crowd figures than GWS!
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Post by EyewitnessTV on Sept 4, 2019 17:16:47 GMT 10
Yeah, I’ve read this before. SharksFan99 would no doubt know more about this, but don’t people in NSW/Qld tend to watch the NRL more on TV rather than attend the actual games (State of Origin the exception of course)?
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 4, 2019 18:35:09 GMT 10
Yeah, I’ve read this before. SharksFan99 would no doubt know more about this, but don’t people in NSW/Qld tend to watch the NRL more on TV rather than attend the actual games (State of Origin the exception of course)? Yep. It has always been the case traditionally, but it has even more so in recent years as the NRL is actually experiencing somewhat of a decline. Average attendances are down, while Nine's coverage is also not performing as well as it had in the past.
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Post by EyewitnessTV on Sept 4, 2019 21:39:19 GMT 10
Yeah, I’ve read this before. SharksFan99 would no doubt know more about this, but don’t people in NSW/Qld tend to watch the NRL more on TV rather than attend the actual games (State of Origin the exception of course)? Yep. It has always been the case traditionally, but it has even more so in recent years as the NRL is actually experiencing somewhat of a decline. Average attendances are down, while Nine's coverage is also not performing as well as it had in the past. I have never really watched much League (nor attended it obviously) , but I assume it's not really much of a spectator sport with massive live ground atmosphere like with AFL then? Unless there's other reasons at play...
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 4, 2019 22:45:15 GMT 10
Yep. It has always been the case traditionally, but it has even more so in recent years as the NRL is actually experiencing somewhat of a decline. Average attendances are down, while Nine's coverage is also not performing as well as it had in the past. I have never really watched much League (nor attended it obviously) , but I assume it's not really much of a spectator sport with massive live ground atmosphere like with AFL then? Unless there's other reasons at play... I'd say that there are other reasons at play, some of which stem back quite a number of years. A lot of long-time fans of the game have become disillusioned with the code in recent times, largely due to the introduction of the NRL Bunker and a lack of engagement with the traditional working-class supporter base. The Super League war and the eventual formation of the NRL during the Late '90s has left the sport in a precarious state and one that rugby league in general has struggled to dig itself out of since then. The executives at the NRL want to expand the game's footprint across the country and possibly into overseas markets, but it's doing so at the expense of it's traditional supporter base in NSW & QLD. The threat of relocation or mergers has hung over the heads of the clubs ever since the NRL was formed back in 1998. It's an ominous presence that just won't go away. Now there's talk that an existing Sydney team (which is tipped to be either the Manly Sea Eagles or the Cronulla Sharks) will be relocated to Brisbane once the current media deal expires in 2022. If either one of those teams is relocated, it would be the final death knell for many fans of the game. There is an underlying sense of frustration among the NRL's supporter base. Rugby league is definitely a spectator sport, very much so. It doesn't get the crowds that the AFL does (except for S.O.O and the Grand Finals), but the matches themselves have an electrifying atmosphere and really draw you in to what is going on (especially if it's a tight match). IMO, another main contributing factor to the differences in crowd characteristics between the two codes are the contrasting sporting cultures of Sydney and Melbourne. To me, the AFL is much more of a "tribal" sport and there seems to be more of an emphasis placed on barracking for your team at the grounds themselves. That's why Melbourne is often referred to as the "sporting capital of the world". It has a very strong sporting culture. I also feel as though the A-League has somewhat eaten away at the NRL's supporter base. Rugby league is undoubtedly still the dominant code here in NSW and receives the most media coverage, but the introduction of the Western Sydney Wanderers back in 2012 really lifted the profile of football in this state. It's not uncommon to see WSW jerseys/stickers or Sydney FC merchandise when you're out and about. Also, looking at that picture telemelbs shared, Sydney FC now has a higher average attendance than three of the Sydney NRL clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 23:01:10 GMT 10
Aside from the various factors already mentioned, I daresay that the NRL hasn't been helped by the fact that the Melbourne Storm & Sydney Roosters (which outside of their core supporter bases, are probably seen as "elitist" and "not for the true fan of the game" especially in places like Western Sydney) have been the game's two most dominant teams recently.
The Storm have already got the minor premiership, the Roosters are looking like they'll finish the season in 2nd spot and I'd actually go as far as saying that it wouldn't overly surprise me to see both of those teams again playing for the premiership on October 6.
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Post by telemelbs on Sept 4, 2019 23:35:03 GMT 10
The Storm have already got the minor premiership, the Roosters are looking like they'll finish the season in 2nd spot and I'd actually go as far as saying that it wouldn't overly surprise me to see both of those teams again playing for the premiership on October 6. Wow I didn't know Melbourne Storm were on top of the ladder. I'm surprised the media here in Melbourne haven't talked about it! But then again I tune out in the news sports report when they talk about NRL...
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 4, 2019 23:41:50 GMT 10
But then again I tune out in the news sports report when they talk about NRL... From what I've observed over the years, NRL coverage is typically reserved for the end of the sports reports on Victorian bulletins and the reports are never usually more than 20-seconds long at the most. Honestly, I feel as though even the Melbourne Victory have more of a presence within the Victorian media than what the Storm do.
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Post by telemelbs on Sept 5, 2019 0:32:58 GMT 10
Honestly, I feel as though even the Melbourne Victory have more of a presence within the Victorian media than what the Storm do. Definitely agree. I personally do not know anyone who supports NRL nor have I had a discussion about it to someone before besides the grand final (and on here haha)
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