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Post by EyewitnessTV on Sept 5, 2019 17:31:53 GMT 10
I have never really watched much League (nor attended it obviously) , but I assume it's not really much of a spectator sport with massive live ground atmosphere like with AFL then? Unless there's other reasons at play... I'd say that there are other reasons at play, some of which stem back quite a number of years. A lot of long-time fans of the game have become disillusioned with the code in recent times, largely due to the introduction of the NRL Bunker and a lack of engagement with the traditional working-class supporter base. The Super League war and the eventual formation of the NRL during the Late '90s has left the sport in a precarious state and one that rugby league in general has struggled to dig itself out of since then. The executives at the NRL want to expand the game's footprint across the country and possibly into overseas markets, but it's doing so at the expense of it's traditional supporter base in NSW & QLD. The threat of relocation or mergers has hung over the heads of the clubs ever since the NRL was formed back in 1998. It's an ominous presence that just won't go away. Now there's talk that an existing Sydney team (which is tipped to be either the Manly Sea Eagles or the Cronulla Sharks) will be relocated to Brisbane once the current media deal expires in 2022. If either one of those teams is relocated, it would be the final death knell for many fans of the game. There is an underlying sense of frustration among the NRL's supporter base. Rugby league is definitely a spectator sport, very much so. It doesn't get the crowds that the AFL does (except for S.O.O and the Grand Finals), but the matches themselves have an electrifying atmosphere and really draw you in to what is going on (especially if it's a tight match). IMO, another main contributing factor to the differences in crowd characteristics between the two codes are the contrasting sporting cultures of Sydney and Melbourne. To me, the AFL is much more of a "tribal" sport and there seems to be more of an emphasis placed on barracking for your team at the grounds themselves. That's why Melbourne is often referred to as the "sporting capital of the world". It has a very strong sporting culture. I also feel as though the A-League has somewhat eaten away at the NRL's supporter base. Rugby league is undoubtedly still the dominant code here in NSW and receives the most media coverage, but the introduction of the Western Sydney Wanderers back in 2012 really lifted the profile of football in this state. It's not uncommon to see WSW jerseys/stickers or Sydney FC merchandise when you're out and about. Also, looking at that picture telemelbs shared, Sydney FC now has a higher average attendance than three of the Sydney NRL clubs. Another reason I guess would be the fact NRL suits TV viewing better because of the north-south direction it’s played. Whereas AFL is played in all directions all over the field and TV camera angles cannot capture the key moments you otherwise miss unless you watch live at the grounds. Honestly, I feel as though even the Melbourne Victory have more of a presence within the Victorian media than what the Storm do. Definitely agree. I personally do not know anyone who supports NRL nor have I had a discussion about it to someone before besides the grand final (and on here haha) I don’t know anyone who follows the NRL either. They either support AFL clubs or soccer, cricket etc. Here’s an interesting graph I found a month or so ago comparing the codes from 1960-2018 H&A season total crowds:
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 5, 2019 21:32:24 GMT 10
I don’t know anyone who follows the NRL either. They either support AFL clubs or soccer, cricket etc. It's the reverse for me. Besides my Mum's fiance' (who supports Hawthorn and is originally a Victorian), I personally don't know anyone who follows an AFL team. The AFL is quite often the butt of jokes up here. I don't hear this so much now, but back when I was still in primary school, the AFL used to even be jokingly refered to as the "GayFL". It has a stigma for being a "soft sport" which requires no skill. Does the NRL receive the same sort of treatment down in Victoria and Tasmania?
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 5, 2019 21:43:42 GMT 10
That's an interesting graph, by the way. I wonder what caused the AFL's average attendances to rise so drastically during the '90s? Also, that graph confirms my belief that the NRL has been experiencing somewhat of a decline over the past five years. Actually, if you look closely at the graph, the NRL's average attendances started to go down in 2012, which was the same year the Western Sydney Wanderers were introduced to the A-League.
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Post by EyewitnessTV on Sept 5, 2019 22:02:48 GMT 10
I don’t know anyone who follows the NRL either. They either support AFL clubs or soccer, cricket etc. It's the reverse for me. Besides my Mum's fiance' (who supports Hawthorn and is originally a Victorian), I personally don't know anyone who follows an AFL team. The AFL is quite often the butt of jokes up here. I don't hear this so much now, but back when I was still in primary school, the AFL used to even be jokingly refered to as the "GayFL". It has a stigma for being a "soft sport" which requires no skill. Does the NRL receive the same sort of treatment down in Victoria and Tasmania? Interesting. Yep, non-NRL states poke fun just as much. Terms such as "Thugby" or "Footbrawl" are often used. I know, very witty, lol.
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Post by EyewitnessTV on Sept 6, 2019 15:54:10 GMT 10
That's an interesting graph, by the way. I wonder what caused the AFL's average attendances to rise so drastically during the '90s? Also, that graph confirms my belief that the NRL has been experiencing somewhat of a decline over the past five years. Actually, if you look closely at the graph, the NRL's average attendances started to go down in 2012, which was the same year the Western Sydney Wanderers were introduced to the A-League. That would be the period the competition went national from VFL to AFL. Introduction of another WA, SA team etc. Also, the move away from smaller regional suburban grounds to the bigger stadiums would be the sudden spike you see.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 6, 2019 15:55:48 GMT 10
Tha would be the period the competition went national from VFL to AFL. Introduction of another WA, SA team etc. Also, the move away from smaller regional suburban grounds to the bigger stadiums would be the sudden spike you see. That makes sense. I don't know why, but I always had the impression that the AFL was formed sometime around the Late '80s/Early '90s.
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Post by telemelbs on Sept 6, 2019 16:06:05 GMT 10
I don't know why, but I always had the impression that the AFL was formed sometime around the Late '80s/Early '90s. Well you are correct, 1990.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 19:54:31 GMT 10
Oh boy, don't my previous comments look awkward now...
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Post by telemelbs on Sept 21, 2019 22:26:25 GMT 10
Oh boy, don't my previous comments look awkward now... I think a lot of us were wrong! But yet again, lets see how they go next week! IMO, I'm not sure if Sydney media outlets will report about the GF more than usual if they win next week.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 22:35:27 GMT 10
I'm not sure if Sydney media outlets will report about the GF more than usual if they win next week. If GWS won the AFL Grand Final next Saturday, surely it'd be the top story on all networks including Nine? Also knowing which four teams are left in the race for the NRL Premiership, I suspect many Western Sydneysiders are finally about to get on the Giants bandwagon!
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Post by telemelbs on Sept 21, 2019 23:35:26 GMT 10
If GWS won the AFL Grand Final next Saturday, surely it'd be the top story on all networks including Nine? Most likely, but I don't think they'll spend too much time on it, compared to a Swans GF. Also knowing which four teams are left in the race for the NRL Premiership, I suspect many Western Sydneysiders are finally about to get on the Giants bandwagon! Fair point there!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 23:49:04 GMT 10
Most likely, but I don't think they'll spend too much time on it, compared to a Swans GF. For the lead-up coverage, most of the minimal Sydney-specific coverage will probably be on Seven but I do think it'd be great if Dalts managed to come up with a lead-up report or two for Nine. If the Giants win, I definitely think Sydney's media will go crazy with the coverage (up to the point of The Sun Herald and The Sunday Telegraph producing special front covers for their September 29, 2019 editions) for 12-24 hours until their attention naturally turns to NRL Grand Final lead-up hype. But as always, I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
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Post by EyewitnessTV on Sept 21, 2019 23:58:57 GMT 10
Oh boy, don't my previous comments look awkward now... I think a lot of us were wrong! But yet again, lets see how they go next week! IMO, I'm not sure if Sydney media outlets will report about the GF more than usual if they win next week. Well, the AFL's plastic team are finally to the decider. Now here's hoping the Tigers belt the sh** out them next week. I doubt Western Sydney people will really care for the most part (the couple hundred supporters they have anyways ). I'm not that disappointed, surprisingly, as I had a feeling all week they would cause an upset. A lot went right for GWS today (including some questionable umpire decisions), but that's how it goes I guess.
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Post by EyewitnessTV on Sept 26, 2019 15:48:01 GMT 10
Yep, this just about sums up the general interest over GWS making the AFL Grand Final in Western Sydney’s “heartland”. They don’t even know the players in their own team. (skip video to 45s)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 18:34:01 GMT 10
Yep, this just about sums up the general interest over GWS making the AFL Grand Final in Western Sydney’s “heartland”. They don’t even know the players in their own team. North Strathfield is in Sydney's Inner West, rather than the "heartland" of Western Sydney. Either way, it'd probably be fair to say that the real football grand final in the eyes of mainstream Sydney is happening on October 6 at ANZ Stadium! If the Giants win on Saturday, I'm still expecting such a victory to be a dominant story in the Sydney media (right up to it being a top story on Nine News + The Sun Herald & Sunday Telegraph doing special commemorative front pages) but only for about 12-24 hours before NRL Grand Final lead-up hype takes over.
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