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Post by SharksFan99 on May 4, 2021 19:05:05 GMT 10
I think it's simply because music is generally more reflective of the current aesthetics and trends within pop culture. Television shows can span quite a number of years (just look at how long "The Simpsons" has been running for), which means that it can be harder to get a feel for how a certain year was like in terms of what was popular and what wasn't. Also, television shows can be fabricated in such a way that they are not reliable sources for gathering information about a certain era. If, for instance, we were to rely on "Sons of Anarchy" to get an understanding of what the Mid 2010s were like, we would be led to believe that flip phones were still popular as recently as 2014 and obviously that definitely wasn't the case. I'm personally guilty of doing this. I have always been a massive music fan, so I tend to place an emphasis on music by default. I'm always open to discussing a wide range of different topics though. I just need to remind myself not to get carried away with talking about music, lol. I think some TV shows actually do a good example of representing the pop culture of a certain era. IMO, South Park is the best example, as any particularly episode perfectly captures the zeitgeist of when it was made. You watch a late 90s episode, it feels late 90s, you watch a mid-00s episode, it feels mid-00s, you watch an early 2010s episode, it feels early 2010s. It's also from it that I learned the whole "Apple is better and Android sucks" mentality was fully phased in by 2011. In all likelihood it was probably cemented in 2010 when BlackBerry stopped being cool, and that's also when the iPad came out. It's going to depend on the show. Across the board, I would still be more inclined to say that music is a better representation of current trends in pop culture, but there are certain TV shows/episodes that do a good job in depicting particular years as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 19:15:45 GMT 10
I disagree, I think TV shows actually can be more representative than music because they can reflect change over time. For example, Cheers and Frasier respectively were great representations of the cultural zeitgeist from early Reaganism to the conservative early '90s, all the way to early 21st century adult culture.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 4, 2021 20:29:11 GMT 10
I disagree, I think TV shows actually can be more representative than music because they can reflect change over time. For example, Cheers and Frasier respectively were great representations of the cultural zeitgeist from early Reaganism to the conservative early '90s, all the way to early 21st century adult culture. That's the thing though; there are many TV shows that don't show the change in cultural zeitgeists or actually reflect the era in which they were produced in. I do agree with you that there are certain TV shows which can be more representative, but as a source for looking back on the trends of past eras, music is going to be far more reliable as a whole. With music, it doesn't matter if a song is a popular hit or not, every single song released is a product of its time, and the song is going to reflect the attitudes, thought processes, and preferences for certain aesthetics/styles that went into making the song at the time of its conception. I would argue that music is the more reliable representation of change as a whole since there is a context behind the release of every song. Television is too fluid as a medium for it to be truly representative. With television, you can obviously use both sound and visuals to depict something as you wish, but that's inevitably going to lend itself to the possibility of greater inaccuracies. I mean, look at that Season 8 episode of Game of Thrones where a coffee cup was seen on a table. A polystyrene cup in a series which is supposed to be set in medieval times? The final two seasons of Malcolm in the Middle from 2005/2006 show frosted tips and feature Y2K-era pop-punk songs as backing tracks, but the overall zeitgeist of the time had shifted away from Y2K/early 2000s culture and the transition from pop-punk to emo was already well underway. It isn't an entirely accurate reflection of the pop culture of both 2005 and 2006, nor is it reflective of the change over time for the reasons I mentioned in the previous sentence. I just feel that in the case of music, what you hear/see is exactly what you get. You're not going to spot The Beach Boy's "God Only Knows" on the charts in 2021 as there would be no reason for it to be on them. The band has been irrelevant in the mainstream for over three decades and that style of pop-rock died out when the cultural '60s did. People's tastes in music are naturally going to be different from what they were like when the song was released 55 years ago. "Bohemian Rhapsody" only saw a resurgence in 2019 because the song had become a by-product of the recent breakthrough in popularity of biopics. If you compare the music charts from 1982 to 1987, for example, you're going to see the change in peoples preferences for certain styles and the further evolution of music genres. Even outside of the mainstream, more niche genres like "maths rock" and "vapourwave" came to be because the evolution of technology over time allowed them to develop into what they are. They're a reflection of where society was/is at from a technological and stylistic point of view.
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Post by slashpop on May 8, 2021 1:09:53 GMT 10
I disagree, I think TV shows actually can be more representative than music because they can reflect change over time. For example, Cheers and Frasier respectively were great representations of the cultural zeitgeist from early Reaganism to the conservative early '90s, all the way to early 21st century adult culture. Imo Cheers and Frasier represent a certain aspects or a feel of a certain age group and class from a period or periods of time , regardless of measuring changes over time, whereas music is bigger reflection of general trends and popular style enjoyed by a wider amount of people.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2021 0:41:46 GMT 10
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