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Post by al on Sept 18, 2019 0:58:04 GMT 10
I was discussing with @sharksfan99 how daunting it can be to check out a new genre or even a new artist. It can be difficult to know where to start and often a suggestion from a fan can help.
So the premise of this thread is to post a few songs you would suggest for someone who wants to get into a genre or artist you are already quite familiar with. Or to ask for suggestions for something you'd like to explore. Ideally, these would not necessarily be the most popular or obvious songs, unless they are highly representative.
I will think of some to post later but if anyone wants to suggest a small sampling of introductory grunge songs, something other than "Smells Like Teen Spirit", I would give them a listen.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 18, 2019 10:05:03 GMT 10
Here are some introductory songs for Grunge: This song is a pretty good example of what Nirvana stood for. Kurt Cobain's lyrics were often quite witty and sarcastic. "In Bloom" addresses how people listen to Nirvana's music without even thinking about the meaning behind the song. Basically, Kurt is saying that he could write anything down on paper, but people would still naively sing along to the song. It essentially pokes fun at the jocks who started to enjoy Nirvana's music after their massive breakthrough into the mainstream: "He's the one Who like all our pretty songs And he likes to sing along And he likes to shoot his gun But he don't know what it means" Also, "In Bloom" is a good representation of what defined Nirvana stylistically. They blended punk sensibilities with strong melodic hooks, as well as deploying the "quiet-loud" formula to contrast the verses from the chorus. Kurt, Dave and Krist were massive fans of The Beatles, which proved to be a huge influence on their music and explains the decision behind making this music video. The music video itself is actually pretty sarcastic when you think about how the band are presented as being "alright, decent fellows" and the lyrics mock the shallowness of huge stardom. It really showcases the humour in Nirvana's music. This one was actually released in the year that you were born! Grunge as a genre fused elements of punk and metal, but some bands from the scene drew more inspiration from either genre. Soundgarden were one of the bands that were influenced more by metal. "The Day I Tried To Love" is a pretty good example of Soundgarden's music; it has an unorthodox time-signature and arrangement, as well as Chris Cornell's powerful vocals. Pearl Jam were heavily indebted to '70s classic rock. This song showcases their influences quite well.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 18, 2019 23:15:57 GMT 10
Me personally, I want to try and discover more of Radiohead's music, but I don't know where to start. All of their albums are critically acclaimed and well regarded. The only Radiohead song i'm familiar with is "Creep".
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Post by al on Sept 27, 2019 10:27:50 GMT 10
@sharksfan99 Thanks for posting these songs. Sorry it’s taken me a minute to respond but I wasn’t feeling well and really wanted to give them a proper listen/analysis. I think it helped me gain a more definitive grasp on grunge, as my prior perception had been a little all over the place. I actually may have heard them all before in passing without necessarily making the connection to the larger genre. Your description of the “quiet-loud” formula puts into words exactly what I’ve been trying to say without success about Nirvana. If I’m completely honest, it pinpoints what aspect I’ve never generally never been a huge fan of. I think because it causes a little, dare I say, discomfort. That’s not a criticism; I’m sure in fact it was very intentional. But for me personally, I tend to like my music crazy and loud or well, not. Considering this came as a response to the campy party or ballad options granted by the 80’s, it makes sense. Though in retrospect, I suppose it’s just not a sentiment that speaks to me. I can say something similar for the lyrics to “In Bloom” which are quite comical and clever. However they’re going to be harder to appreciate in a day-in-age when the artsy kids and the weird twenty somethings avoiding getting an office job like the plague are, like it was originally intended, the ones listening to Nirvana.
I have to credit “The Day I Tried to Love” as being my favorite song of the bunch. More than anything because I enjoy his vocals the most. This song but particularly the music video proves what a world away 1994 was from the 80’s. It has also dated in a very different way. On one hand, it is the exact style that I remember seeming recently old during my childhood. Yet I’m also finding it difficult to call “cheesy” or anything like that. I’m wondering if Soundgarden influenced Kings of Leon because it gives me a similar vibe.
And then there’s Pearl Jam. I tried listening to Pearl Jam at least one other time on a recommendation. Unfortunately, I’m afraid I just don’t dig Eddie Vedder’s voice. To the point where I think it’s been a contributing factor in putting me off from grunge. Maybe because they poked fun of it on a 90’s SNL DVD I would watch in the 00’s. Sorry Eddie, it is what it is.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 28, 2019 22:27:39 GMT 10
@sharksfan99 Thanks for posting these songs. Sorry it’s taken me a minute to respond but I wasn’t feeling well and really wanted to give them a proper listen/analysis. I think it helped me gain a more definitive grasp on grunge, as my prior perception had been a little all over the place. I actually may have heard them all before in passing without necessarily making the connection to the larger genre. Your description of the “quiet-loud” formula puts into words exactly what I’ve been trying to say without success about Nirvana. If I’m completely honest, it pinpoints what aspect I’ve never generally never been a huge fan of. I think because it causes a little, dare I say, discomfort. That’s not a criticism; I’m sure in fact it was very intentional. But for me personally, I tend to like my music crazy and loud or well, not. Considering this came as a response to the campy party or ballad options granted by the 80’s, it makes sense. Though in retrospect, I suppose it’s just not a sentiment that speaks to me. I can say something similar for the lyrics to “In Bloom” which are quite comical and clever. However they’re going to be harder to appreciate in a day-in-age when the artsy kids and the weird twenty somethings avoiding getting an office job like the plague are, like it was originally intended, the ones listening to Nirvana. No worries. The "quiet-loud" formula is actually a defining characteristic of the '90s alt-rock scene in general. Nirvana arguably put it to greater use than most of their contemporaries, but all of the "Big 4" bands (Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam & Alice in Chains) used the formula to some degree and even several of the post-grunge acts from the Mid-Late '90s incorporated it into their music as well. Personally, I love it. Hearing an explosive chorus after a low-key verse makes me feel pumped up and really engaged with the music. I can understand why people wouldn't be a fan of it, however. Chris Cornell was an excellent singer. He would have to be one of my all-time favourite vocalists, if i'm being honest. I can see what you mean in regards to the Kings of Leon comparisons. I haven't been able to find any information which suggests that they were influenced by Soundgarden, but the two bands actually went on tour together just a couple of years ago, so it's definitely a possibility. That's fair enough. I actually really like Eddie Vedder's vocals, but each to their own, lol.
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Post by Telso on Sept 29, 2019 3:39:03 GMT 10
Me personally, I want to try and discover more of Radiohead's music, but I don't know where to start. All of their albums are critically acclaimed and well regarded. The only Radiohead song i'm familiar with is "Creep". I will say to start off with their most-acclaimed album "OK Computer" as it lays right in the middle of their former more straightforward, angsty alt rock and their later heavily electronized material which are more avant-garde in nature. I personally think "OKC" hits the sweet spot between less conventional rock experimentations and a very accessible sound, and offers some fantastic cuts: "The Bends" isn't a bad choice to start off at all, just keep in mind that it's certainly not representative of their discography as a whole though. "Pablo Honey" is kind of forgettable and would not really recommend it. Starting with "Kid A" and later albums is also not recommendable in my opinion.
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Post by Telso on Sept 29, 2019 4:00:49 GMT 10
As for introductions to some genres: Trip HopModal JazzBossa NovaArt PopBig Beat
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 29, 2019 18:08:32 GMT 10
I will say to start off with their most-acclaimed album "OK Computer" as it lays right in the middle of their former more straightforward, angsty alt rock and their later heavily electronized material which are more avant-garde in nature. I personally think "OKC" hits the sweet spot between less conventional rock experimentations and a very accessible sound, and offers some fantastic cuts: "The Bends" isn't a bad choice to start off at all, just keep in mind that it's certainly not representative of their discography as a whole though. "Pablo Honey" is kind of forgettable and would not really recommend it. Starting with "Kid A" and later albums is also not recommendable in my opinion. Yeah, I've been thinking actually that OK Computer is most likely the best album to start off with. I just wasn't too sure if it was truly representative of their work. In any case, thanks for the suggestions. I've been wanting to expand my tastes in music and since i'm now on a two-week break, I've got plenty of time to check out a lot of different artists and bands!
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Post by SharksFan99 on Oct 4, 2019 19:31:34 GMT 10
By the way, Telso, I finally got around to listening Black Midi's "Schlagenheim", which was an album you suggested to me in a thread a few months ago. I really like the instrumentals and how experimental the songs are, but i'm not a big fan of the vocals if i'm being completely honest. "953" is a great opening track though!
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 27, 2020 22:26:58 GMT 10
Emo has been receiving a lot of attention as of late, but because the majority of the most popular bands are American in origin, there's a lot of emo songs out there that tend to be overlooked. In case anyone in interested, here are a few Australian emo songs that made it onto the charts here during the Late 2000s: Surprisingly, this debuted onto the ARIA Chart in the same week as Fall Out Boy's "Thnks Fr Th Mmrs" and believe it or not, it actually debuted higher than the latter. I was never into "Opinions Won't Keep You Warm At Night" at the time, but now it would have to be one of my favourite songs from 2007! The music video is worth checking out alone; its such a product of its time. This was actually a pretty big hit here. This was one of my favourite songs when I was 9, I still love it to this day. One of the very few genuinely great rock songs from 2008. I'm not sure if you'd call them emo or scene, but Short Stack were pretty popular here between 2009-2011. "Sway Sway Baby" made it to #2 on our charts when it was a hit in Late 2009. They were always on the crappiest end of the emo spectrum.
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Post by goodbants on Jul 20, 2020 17:30:10 GMT 10
To anyone who wants to get into today’s indie/bedroom pop scene:
I know I’ve posted this song twice already but I really like it:
This is the lesbian anthem:
This also slaps:
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