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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 15, 2019 20:38:51 GMT 10
I wanted the title to be "can Billie Eilish's success be compared with Lady Gaga's breakthrough?", but the title was too long. It isn't uncommon for people to say that history tends to repeats itself. Whether that has ever truly been the case is debatable, however, I do believe there are several parallels which can be drawn between the breakthrough of Lady Gaga during the second-half of 2008 and the success Billie Eilish has experienced this year. I've seen quite a few comments over the past year or so who have said that Ava Max is the new "Gaga"; I couldn't disagree more on that. A "flash in the pan" artist who mimics the style of their main inspiration stands no real chance of any longevity. She brings nothing new to the table. Rather, in terms of cultural impact and overall legacy, I actually believe a strong case can be made that Billie Eilish is the "Gaga" of 2019.
For starters, they were/are both revolutionary in the sense that they shook up the current music scene by adopting a quirky, unique aesthetic. Both artists debuted with a moderately successful single ("Just Dance" and "Bury a Friend") before going on to reach mega-star status with their follow-ups a short time later ("Poker Face" and "Bad Guy"). Much like Gaga back in her time, I would be inclined to say that Billie Eilish has been at the front and centre of the music scene in 2019. She's the culmination of the minimalist, alt-pop trend which has been gaining in popularity over the past few years. Her music has, for the most part, been unavoidable for the better part of 2019 as well. Lady Gaga's and Billie Eilish's style of aesthetic/music are nothing alike, but the influence and success both artists tasted at the beginnings of their careers are quite comparable for the most part.
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Post by rainbow on Nov 15, 2019 23:06:38 GMT 10
I mean Lady Gaga was still popular for like the majority of the early 2010’s so it depends if Billie Eilish will stay popular for the majority of the early 2020’s.
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Post by al on Nov 16, 2019 3:25:52 GMT 10
Honestly I don’t think Billie Eilish has (yet) become the household name in the way Gaga is. Now I know I’ve said that there are plenty of the 35+ crowd who like and listen to her, but I’ve also encountered many who still haven’t heard of her. In terms of style, Gaga has just been so outlandish that it’s almost difficult to compete with in terms of personal style. I’d easily say that Billie is still in the camp where she has a lot of potential though.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 16, 2019 3:30:43 GMT 10
hell no LMAO
Not even close, also I will have to say I first saw Billie Ellish on that MTV TRL reboot that failed in 2017 and came out of the gate with no splash with her first single. Was not until late last year advertisements for her started ramping up with her new album, the label payed tons of money for radio spins and Rolling Stone placement in 2019.
She is not even on the level of a Kesha or Adele, by the time 2009 rolled around everyone knew who Gaga was, elders, kids, 40 year olds, show someone Billie Ellish's pic and you prob won't get as many people who recognize her.
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Post by Cassie on Nov 16, 2019 4:13:43 GMT 10
Maybe in the mid 2020s or so, but not now.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 16, 2019 18:42:28 GMT 10
Honestly I don’t think Billie Eilish has ( yet) become the household name in the way Gaga is. Now I know I’ve said that there are plenty of the 35+ crowd who like and listen to her, but I’ve also encountered many who still haven’t heard of her. In terms of style, Gaga has just been so outlandish that it’s almost difficult to compete with in terms of personal style. I’d easily say that Billie is still in the camp where she has a lot of potential though. Maybe not to the exact same extent as Gaga, but I'd argue that she is the biggest household name out of all the new artists to have debuted this year. How many people over the age of 35 would know who Lil Nas X or Lewis Capaldi is? Billie Eilish has definitely cemented herself as the biggest defining artist of the current Top-40 music scene and the fact that she does have a huge following with the 35+ crowd sets her apart from her contemporaries in that regard. I mean, the "Dad Guy" meme on YouTube a few months ago became viral and attracted millions of views. You've even had popular figures such as Dave Grohl who have come out and spoken positively about her image/music. These things have made headlines in the mainstream. The truth is, you're always going to encounter some people (whether they are young, middle-aged or elderly) who are absolutely out of the loop with what's going on in Top-40 music, regardless of the amount of fame an artist has achieved. In any case, I think it would be near impossible for any artist to reach the level of universal pop stardom that Gaga achieved over eleven years ago, given how the media and society in general have become so much more fragmented since 2008. That is only going to exasperate the amount of people who are not in touch with current trends in music. In a hypothetical scenario where electropop was the "in thing" at the moment and Gaga had only just debuted onto the charts early this year, I doubt her mass stardom and influence would be too dissimilar to what Billie Eilish has experienced with her minimalist, alt-pop aesthetic in reality. Billie Eilish is the "Gaga of 2019" when it comes to how resonant her music has been in the streaming, social-media obsessed world that we are living in today.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 16, 2019 18:57:16 GMT 10
I mean Lady Gaga was still popular for like the majority of the early 2010’s so it depends if Billie Eilish will stay popular for the majority of the early 2020’s. Well actually, I tend to think Billie Eilish's career will suffer from a similar fate as Lady Gaga's and will start to fizzle out once 2020s music establishes itself. Excluding "Shallow", "Applause" was Lady Gaga's last major hit back in 2013. It wouldn't surprise me if Billie Eilish has one last major hit around 2022/2023 before falling into irrelevancy.
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Post by Captain Nemo on Nov 25, 2019 15:23:50 GMT 10
Artists such as Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, etc. that became popular in the late '00s I feel are the last of their kind. What I mean by this is I feel in the long run they will be the last to ever reach the level of popularity of artists such as Madonna and Cyndi Lauper. They were the last bunch of artists to become popular before music streaming services became standard, to become popular through radio airplane and television alone. As much as I dislike them, their songs were iconic and presentable enough so that everyone and their grandmother recognized their music when they heard it. With new artists such as Billie Eilish, Aleissa Cara, etc., much of their fanbase prefers to listen to them on apps such as Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube, rather than on the radio, therefore the interest is now into making viral web hits that will only have a flash of popularity before fading away into obscurity rather than making memorable radio hits. This is why songs from even the early part of this year are for the most part irrelevant already, while hits from the '80s, '90s, and '00s are still relevant to this day.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 25, 2019 16:16:31 GMT 10
Artists such as Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, etc. that became popular in the late '00s I feel are the last of their kind. What I mean by this is I feel in the long run they will be the last to ever reach the level of popularity of artists such as Madonna and Cyndi Lauper. They were the last bunch of artists to become popular before music streaming services became standard, to become popular through radio airplane and television alone. As much as I dislike them, their songs were iconic and presentable enough so that everyone and their grandmother recognized their music when they heard it. With new artists such as Billie Eilish, Aleissa Cara, etc., much of their fanbase prefers to listen to them on apps such as Spotify, Apple Music, and YouTube, rather than on the radio, therefore the interest is now into making viral web hits that will only have a flash of popularity before fading away into obscurity rather than making memorable radio hits. This is why songs from even the early part of this year are for the most part irrelevant already, while hits from the '80s, '90s, and '00s are still relevant to this day. Yupp just like this whole Tik tok Snapchat quick hit culture, the songs don't even have a melody anymore like the early 2010s had. Gaga and Katy also had TRL & 106 & Park (yes Gaga was on 106 park) at their disposal, at that time people were still watching those programs despite a huge erosion. 106 got canceled in 2014 and TRL has been canceled 4 times and retootled into a pre taped Sat am show that no one watches. They had a huge advantage with those extra tv viewers, also culture was still Mono at the time there was not really any fragmentation as well.
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Post by .savage on Dec 7, 2019 13:03:12 GMT 10
Not in the slightest.
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