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Post by karlpalaka on Dec 16, 2019 13:17:33 GMT 10
I was a month away from turning 5.
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Post by John Titor on Dec 16, 2019 14:09:54 GMT 10
I was a month away from turning 5. do you have any memories of 2002
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Post by karlpalaka on Dec 17, 2019 4:57:09 GMT 10
I was a month away from turning 5. do you have any memories of 2002 Yes. Me starting kindergarten as well as my trip to the East Coast during the summer of 2002. We toured NYC just nine months after 9/11, and not a single mention of the attacks. We even moved apartments, and we got a computer at home for the first time shortly afterwards, since our old apartment didnt have space for a computer as our dining table was literally touching the wall, and anyone sitting next to the wall literally had to walk around the dining table.
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Post by John Titor on Dec 17, 2019 9:25:46 GMT 10
do you have any memories of 2002 Yes. Me starting kindergarten as well as my trip to the East Coast during the summer of 2002. We toured NYC just nine months after 9/11, and not a single mention of the attacks. We even moved apartments, and we got a computer at home for the first time shortly afterwards, since our old apartment didnt have space for a computer as our dining table was literally touching the wall, and anyone sitting next to the wall literally had to walk around the dining table. I was in Jersey @ this time, NY (as I would always go there) kind tried to make 9/11 non speakable for awhile like they never spoke of it beyond little mentions on the news or the spot itself. It was just very painful for the city to talk about. By 2002 we started getting back to normal as soon as the year started actually, despite the small recession not ending until 2003. As a kid or Teen you wouldn't even notice we were in a recession because I had no clue there was on until Wikipediaing the situation a few years ago. How did you like New York ? It can be very in your face
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Post by karlpalaka on Dec 17, 2019 10:09:20 GMT 10
Yes. Me starting kindergarten as well as my trip to the East Coast during the summer of 2002. We toured NYC just nine months after 9/11, and not a single mention of the attacks. We even moved apartments, and we got a computer at home for the first time shortly afterwards, since our old apartment didnt have space for a computer as our dining table was literally touching the wall, and anyone sitting next to the wall literally had to walk around the dining table. I was in Jersey @ this time, NY (as I would always go there) kind tried to make 9/11 non speakable for awhile like they never spoke of it beyond little mentions on the news or the spot itself. It was just very painful for the city to talk about. By 2002 we started getting back to normal as soon as the year started actually, despite the small recession not ending until 2003. As a kid or Teen you wouldn't even notice we were in a recession because I had no clue there was on until Wikipediaing the situation a few years ago. How did you like New York ? It can be very in your face When I was 5, it felt like the whole trip took forever, and I just wanted to come back home, but the whole trip actually was just two weeks long. Yes, we went to the Empire State building, went on the Statue of Liberty, saw Grand Central, Brooklyn Bridge, and went on some taxis. I even remember the ferry to Liberty Island, though when I went again when I was 12, it turns out it was a lot smaller than 5-year old me saw it as. No mention of 9/11 around me, since it would have obviously scarred me for life, especially, since I had a huge obsession for planes ever since I was 2, when my first plane ride happened in summer 1999, but all I remember from that was me sitting on top of a left side aisle seat in a heavy plane with cabin lights on remembering how the cabin looked and enjoying the ambiance, and I was looking to my 2:00. My second time on a plane was actually this 2002 experience. If I actually did see 9/11 when it happened, I would have been scarred for life, considering I have seen things when I was 2 that could not be unseen. I cannot say what they are since they are too innappropriate, but yeah. Overall, my NYC trip in 2009 was the best. We just toured Manhattan and Statue of Liberty, and it was fun. We even got a free ferry ride to Staten Island, which apparently was the only thing free in New York according to a vendor in Central Park.
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Post by John Titor on Dec 17, 2019 10:25:36 GMT 10
I was in Jersey @ this time, NY (as I would always go there) kind tried to make 9/11 non speakable for awhile like they never spoke of it beyond little mentions on the news or the spot itself. It was just very painful for the city to talk about. By 2002 we started getting back to normal as soon as the year started actually, despite the small recession not ending until 2003. As a kid or Teen you wouldn't even notice we were in a recession because I had no clue there was on until Wikipediaing the situation a few years ago. How did you like New York ? It can be very in your face When I was 5, it felt like the whole trip took forever, and I just wanted to come back home, but the whole trip actually was just two weeks long. Yes, we went to the Empire State building, went on the Statue of Liberty, saw Grand Central, Brooklyn Bridge, and went on some taxis. I even remember the ferry to Liberty Island, though when I went again when I was 12, it turns out it was a lot smaller than 5-year old me saw it as. No mention of 9/11 around me, since it would have obviously scarred me for life, especially, since I had a huge obsession for planes ever since I was 2, when my first plane ride happened in summer 1999, but all I remember from that was me sitting on top of a left side aisle seat in a heavy plane with cabin lights on remembering how the cabin looked and enjoying the ambiance, and I was looking to my 2:00. My second time on a plane was actually this 2002 experience. If I actually did see 9/11 when it happened, I would have been scarred for life, considering I have seen things when I was 2 that could not be unseen. I cannot say what they are since they are too innappropriate, but yeah. Overall, my NYC trip in 2009 was the best. We just toured Manhattan and Statue of Liberty, and it was fun. We even got a free ferry ride to Staten Island, which apparently was the only thing free in New York according to a vendor in Central Park. tell me you had some NY pizza
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Post by karlpalaka on Dec 17, 2019 10:47:46 GMT 10
When I was 5, it felt like the whole trip took forever, and I just wanted to come back home, but the whole trip actually was just two weeks long. Yes, we went to the Empire State building, went on the Statue of Liberty, saw Grand Central, Brooklyn Bridge, and went on some taxis. I even remember the ferry to Liberty Island, though when I went again when I was 12, it turns out it was a lot smaller than 5-year old me saw it as. No mention of 9/11 around me, since it would have obviously scarred me for life, especially, since I had a huge obsession for planes ever since I was 2, when my first plane ride happened in summer 1999, but all I remember from that was me sitting on top of a left side aisle seat in a heavy plane with cabin lights on remembering how the cabin looked and enjoying the ambiance, and I was looking to my 2:00. My second time on a plane was actually this 2002 experience. If I actually did see 9/11 when it happened, I would have been scarred for life, considering I have seen things when I was 2 that could not be unseen. I cannot say what they are since they are too innappropriate, but yeah. Overall, my NYC trip in 2009 was the best. We just toured Manhattan and Statue of Liberty, and it was fun. We even got a free ferry ride to Staten Island, which apparently was the only thing free in New York according to a vendor in Central Park. tell me you had some NY pizza I dont think I did. Never knew it was even a thing as I havent been to NYC in over ten years. Would definitely try it out the next time I go.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 12:35:07 GMT 10
Alright, you can't open this atmosphere thread with a photo showing one girl in a Moulin Rouge t-shirt and another with white people dreadlocks and tell me the Y2K era is dead in spring 2002. That shit is like, peak late '90s futurism. That being said, I agree these photos look fun. It makes me miss the early '00s, though I can't help but remember what a rough time that was for me personally. I was in 6th grade at the time which was not all bad, but my 7th grade school year was going to start later that fall, and that was bad news bears for sure.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_in_musicThis narrow focus on music, once again, misses the big picture. Besides the fact that through all our relitigating this point, even you have conceded that teen pop was still being produced into 2003 even if it wasn't charting, you are missing the visual aesthetic, the fashion, and movies that still followed thematic tones from the Y2K era. I have made mention about this, that there was a selection of Hollywood films that maintained the new age-y aesthetic popularized by such sleepers as Leo DiCaprio's The Beach, or the cerebral starkness of psychological thrillers like Chris Nolan's Memento. Right up until summer 2003, these sorts of movies continued to dominate in Hollywood. There's television too: consider that Friends and Frasier were still not only running, but continued to dominate the Nielsen ratings well into their last seasons in 2004. Gaming was changing, sure, but 2002 fashion still had the fading embers of '60s/'70s flower power revival: the crop tops, high jeans, dreadlocks, etc. Focusing just on the fact that teen pop - which, again, some artists were still recording (some well into 2005) - is no longer charting just seems a really myopic analysis of the times. It's like you just started with the result you wanted - saying the Y2K era was dead - and cobbled together some post-hoc justifications for it, rather than looking at the evidence to see the Y2K timeloop continued to linger until right around W's re-election. For reference: popedia.boards.net/post/48268/thread
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Post by John Titor on Dec 17, 2019 14:31:02 GMT 10
This narrow focus on music, once again, misses the big picture. Besides the fact that through all our relitigating this point, even you have conceded that teen pop was still being produced into 2003 even if it wasn't charting, you are missing the visual aesthetic, the fashion, and movies that still followed thematic tones from the Y2K era. I have made mention about this, that there was a selection of Hollywood films that maintained the new age-y aesthetic popularized by such sleepers as Leo DiCaprio's The Beach, or the cerebral starkness of psychological thrillers like Chris Nolan's Memento. Right up until summer 2003, these sorts of movies continued to dominate in Hollywood. There's television too: consider that Friends and Frasier were still not only running, but continued to dominate the Nielsen ratings well into their last seasons in 2004. Gaming was changing, sure, but 2002 fashion still had the fading embers of '60s/'70s flower power revival: the crop tops, high jeans, dreadlocks, etc. Focusing just on the fact that teen pop - which, again, some artists were still recording (some well into 2005) - is no longer charting just seems a really myopic analysis of the times. It's like you just started with the result you wanted - saying the Y2K era was dead - and cobbled together some post-hoc justifications for it, rather than looking at the evidence to see the Y2K timeloop continued to linger until right around W's re-election. For reference: popedia.boards.net/post/48268/thread
Futuristic looking fashion : Gone by 2002
Teen Pop : Gone by 2002, even Wikipedia backs up my claim ( Britney's Britney album, Justin's Justified, Or Christina's Stripped are not teen pop)
Shiny Fashion : : Gone by 2002
Bubbling Economy: :Gone by 2001 Recession
Carefree atmosphere : Gone due to 9/11 and Anthrax scares at that moment
Wrestling popularity WWF Attitude era : Gone by 2001 ( Both Stone Cold and The Rock leave shortly after mid 2002) WWF buys WCW in 2001
y2k looking fonts : Gone by 2002
y2k looking websites : gone by 2002
Dragon Ball Z popularity : Gone by Buu Saga, 2002
Pokemon Cards Fad : Gone by early 2001, Yugioh starts to replace it in popularity in 2002
Music makes a big part of an era, Grunge MUSIC makes a huge part of the grunge era, just like New Jack swing music makes a Huge part of the NJS era. So I just listed to you all of the things that make up the y2k era, all of those things that make up said era are GONE by 2002. How can an era continue if all the elements that make them up are gone? That makes no sense at all. Friends and Fraiser are both shows that came out in 1994 and early 90s respectively, have nothing to do with the y2k era other than existing withen its time frame. You say I miss the big picture yet I named to you all the things that make up the big picture and are erased come early 2002. The only y2k thing that could be going on in 2002 is a music video filmed in 2001 or the Apple G4 Lamp computer which its patents go back to 2000. The way people started to dress in late 2001- coming into 2002 was very different then the previous y2k era. Of course someone might have something old from the year before but it does not mean the era is still going on.
Artists are making pop punk music right now, so because it's not charting on the radio does that mean were are in the NEW pop punk era? Hell no.
I saw some girl today when I was getting my nails done wearing a 50s looking outfit, so because 50s outfits are being worn does that mean we are in
the NEO 50s? Your logic is proven invalid. A few movies that you listed are not going to make a culture dent like a movie like Star Wars can. Those movies
which you have not named (if they were released in 2002) were most likely filmed from 2000-2001.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 17, 2019 20:50:13 GMT 10
I honestly don't see the Y2K Era as ever having been a separate cultural era in it's own right. What people use to define the Y2K era were really just some of the trends that made up the Late '90s and Early 2000s cultural eras. Obviously I have no personal basis for that since I was only a baby/toddler during those years, but when you look at it on face value, to say that the Late '90s and Early '00s cultural eras only lasted for two years really doesn't make any sense.
The third-wave of teen-pop can actually be traced back to Late 1996, when the Spice Girls had their major breakthrough with "Wannabe" and achieved global fame. In 1997 and 1998 alone, you had the likes of the Backstreet Boys, Hanson, All Saints, B*Witched and Robyn achieve successful Top-40 hits both in the US and the UK. People quite often pinpoint teen-pop as having been one of (if not) the biggest defining trends of the Y2K Era, yet it's clear that it was already achieving success on the charts before the Y2K Era supposedly began. Many of the trends from the last few years of a decade carry over to the first couple years of the next, so really, what makes the Late '90s and Early 2000s any different? Nu-Metal, frosted tips, second-wave pop-punk and teen-pop were all popular in 2002, just as they had been a number of years earlier in the so called "Y2K Era".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 21:50:39 GMT 10
This narrow focus on music, once again, misses the big picture. Besides the fact that through all our relitigating this point, even you have conceded that teen pop was still being produced into 2003 even if it wasn't charting, you are missing the visual aesthetic, the fashion, and movies that still followed thematic tones from the Y2K era. I have made mention about this, that there was a selection of Hollywood films that maintained the new age-y aesthetic popularized by such sleepers as Leo DiCaprio's The Beach, or the cerebral starkness of psychological thrillers like Chris Nolan's Memento. Right up until summer 2003, these sorts of movies continued to dominate in Hollywood. There's television too: consider that Friends and Frasier were still not only running, but continued to dominate the Nielsen ratings well into their last seasons in 2004. Gaming was changing, sure, but 2002 fashion still had the fading embers of '60s/'70s flower power revival: the crop tops, high jeans, dreadlocks, etc. Focusing just on the fact that teen pop - which, again, some artists were still recording (some well into 2005) - is no longer charting just seems a really myopic analysis of the times. It's like you just started with the result you wanted - saying the Y2K era was dead - and cobbled together some post-hoc justifications for it, rather than looking at the evidence to see the Y2K timeloop continued to linger until right around W's re-election. For reference: popedia.boards.net/post/48268/thread
Futuristic looking fashion : Gone by 2002
Teen Pop : Gone by 2002, even Wikipedia backs up my claim ( Britney's Britney album, Justin's Justified, Or Christina's Stripped are not teen pop)
Shiny Fashion : : Gone by 2002
Bubbling Economy: :Gone by 2001 Recession
Carefree atmosphere : Gone due to 9/11 and Anthrax scares at that moment
Wrestling popularity WWF Attitude era : Gone by 2001 ( Both Stone Cold and The Rock leave shortly after mid 2002) WWF buys WCW in 2001
y2k looking fonts : Gone by 2002
y2k looking websites : gone by 2002
Dragon Ball Z popularity : Gone by Buu Saga, 2002
Pokemon Cards Fad : Gone by early 2001, Yugioh starts to replace it in popularity in 2002
Music makes a big part of an era, Grunge MUSIC makes a huge part of the grunge era, just like New Jack swing music makes a Huge part of the NJS era. So I just listed to you all of the things that make up the y2k era, all of those things that make up said era are GONE by 2002. How can an era continue if all the elements that make them up are gone? That makes no sense at all. Friends and Fraiser are both shows that came out in 1994 and early 90s respectively, have nothing to do with the y2k era other than existing withen its time frame. You say I miss the big picture yet I named to you all the things that make up the big picture and are erased come early 2002. The only y2k thing that could be going on in 2002 is a music video filmed in 2001 or the Apple G4 Lamp computer which its patents go back to 2000. The way people started to dress in late 2001- coming into 2002 was very different then the previous y2k era. Of course someone might have something old from the year before but it does not mean the era is still going on.
Artists are making pop punk music right now, so because it's not charting on the radio does that mean were are in the NEW pop punk era? Hell no.
I saw some girl today when I was getting my nails done wearing a 50s looking outfit, so because 50s outfits are being worn does that mean we are in
the NEO 50s? Your logic is proven invalid. A few movies that you listed are not going to make a culture dent like a movie like Star Wars can. Those movies
which you have not named (if they were released in 2002) were most likely filmed from 2000-2001.Jeez, calm down lady. First of all, you are verifiably wrong that teen pop ( source, source, source, one of the biggest hits that year - these are just from a cursory glance at my iPod), Y2K fashion (just a throwaway example: source; source), Y2K-era websites (unfortunately they're dead so I can't show them), and DBZ/Pokémon card popularity was gone by 2002 (still popular among Midwestern teens at the very least, you're going to have to trust me on this one) - we have been over this before and it's also right there in the post you're responding to. Also Toonami was still neck deep in its renaissance, which arguably started around 2000 or so. Also, who but rednecks care(d) about WWF? Yes, clearly, this stuff was dying but it wasn't totally and irrevocably gone. Once again though, it appears you have predetermined your conclusion and are just using convenient facts that fit your predetermined conclusion. Music may be a big part, but again it appears to be preventing you from taking in a holistic picture of the era. Moreover, you are right that pop punk is not in right now, but nothing pop punk is currently charting, is it? You can't just look at spots 1 through 10 on the Top 40s chart and say that's defining of the era. I have linked Top 40 teen pop hits from 2002 above, they were there. By focusing on 1 through 10, you pretend as though 11 through 40 didn't exist. By your logic, the fact that The Who are at #2 this week on the Billboard 200 albums means we should expect a British Re-invasion any day now. And yes, obviously there were things that existed in 2002 that lingered over from an earlier era, but pop culture doesn't solely consist of cultural works that were produced that year. There's a reason people think of Friends and Frasier's series finales as the end of an era, because eras are things that stretch beyond the confines of a single year. Grunge music and the grunge era didn't end the moment Kurt Cobain died, as the many, many grunge artists continuing to produce albums to fanfare up to 1997 (and some even beyond that) can attest. In fact I seem to remember people here making a ton of hay in one of these other atmosphere threads about 1997 being around the time the grunge era ended and the Y2K era was beginning to take shape, fully three years after In Utero. Real life and pop culture are far more organic than being dominant one month and then the next, GONE. Also, people lump 2010s songs in with "2000s Hits" all the damn time, and yet you want to tell me because something was recorded in December 2001 but released in January 2002 that it doesn't count? That's cherrypicking at its absolute worst. However, it appears I have hit a nerve, which means you may be taking this pushback a little too seriously. Consider going outside.
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Post by John Titor on Dec 18, 2019 3:22:01 GMT 10
The y2k era was an era in pop culture that included the following
Futuristic looking fashion : Gone by 2002
Teen Pop : Gone by 2002, even Wikipedia backs up my claim ( Britney's Britney album, Justin's Justified, Or Christina's Stripped are not teen pop)
Shiny Fashion : : Gone by 2002
Bubbling Economy: :Gone by 2001 Recession
Carefree atmosphere : Gone due to 9/11 and Anthrax scares at that moment
Wrestling popularity WWF Attitude era : Gone by 2001 ( Both Stone Cold and The Rock leave shortly after mid 2002) WWF buys WCW in 2001
y2k looking fonts : Gone by 2002
y2k looking websites : gone by 2002
Dragon Ball Z popularity : Gone by Buu Saga, 2002
Pokemon Cards Fad : Gone by early 2001, Yugioh starts to replace it in popularity in 2002
Music makes a big part of an era, Grunge MUSIC makes a huge part of the grunge era, just like New Jack swing music makes a Huge part of the NJS era. So I just listed to you all of the things that make up the y2k era, all of those things that make up said era are GONE by 2002. How can an era continue if all the elements that make them up are gone? That makes no sense at all. Friends and Fraiser are both shows that came out in 1994 and early 90s respectively, have nothing to do with the y2k era other than existing withen its time frame. You say I miss the big picture yet I named to you all the things that make up the big picture and are erased come early 2002. The only y2k thing that could be going on in 2002 is a music video filmed in 2001 or the Apple G4 Lamp computer which its patents go back to 2000. The way people started to dress in late 2001- coming into 2002 was very different then the previous y2k era. Of course someone might have something old from the year before but it does not mean the era is still going on.
Artists are making pop punk music right now, so because it's not charting on the radio does that mean were are in the NEW pop punk era? Hell no.
I saw some girl today when I was getting my nails done wearing a 50s looking outfit, so because 50s outfits are being worn does that mean we are in
the NEO 50s? Your logic is proven invalid. A few movies that you listed are not going to make a culture dent like a movie like Star Wars can. Those movies
which you have not named (if they were released in 2002) were most likely filmed from 2000-2001. Jeez, calm down lady. First of all, you are verifiably wrong that teen pop ( source, source, source, one of the biggest hits that year - these are just from a cursory glance at my iPod), Y2K fashion (just a throwaway example: source; source), Y2K-era websites (unfortunately they're dead so I can't show them), and DBZ/Pokémon card popularity was gone by 2002 (still popular among Midwestern teens at the very least, you're going to have to trust me on this one) - we have been over this before and it's also right there in the post you're responding to. Also Toonami was still neck deep in its renaissance, which arguably started around 2000 or so. Also, who but rednecks care(d) about WWF? Yes, clearly, this stuff was dying but it wasn't totally and irrevocably gone. Once again though, it appears you have predetermined your conclusion and are just using convenient facts that fit your predetermined conclusion. Music may be a big part, but again it appears to be preventing you from taking in a holistic picture of the era. Moreover, you are right that pop punk is not in right now, but nothing pop punk is currently charting, is it? You can't just look at spots 1 through 10 on the Top 40s chart and say that's defining of the era. I have linked Top 40 teen pop hits from 2002 above, they were there. By focusing on 1 through 10, you pretend as though 11 through 40 didn't exist. By your logic, the fact that The Who are at #2 this week on the Billboard 200 albums means we should expect a British Re-invasion any day now. And yes, obviously there were things that existed in 2002 that lingered over from an earlier era, but pop culture doesn't solely consist of cultural works that were produced that year. There's a reason people think of Friends and Frasier's series finales as the end of an era, because eras are things that stretch beyond the confines of a single year. Grunge music and the grunge era didn't end the moment Kurt Cobain died, as the many, many grunge artists continuing to produce albums to fanfare up to 1997 (and some even beyond that) can attest. In fact I seem to remember people here making a ton of hay in one of these other atmosphere threads about 1997 being around the time the grunge era ended and the Y2K era was beginning to take shape, fully three years after In Utero. Real life and pop culture are far more organic than being dominant one month and then the next, GONE. Also, people lump 2010s songs in with "2000s Hits" all the damn time, and yet you want to tell me because something was recorded in December 2001 but released in January 2002 that it doesn't count? That's cherrypicking at its absolute worst. However, it appears I have hit a nerve, which means you may be taking this pushback a little too seriously. Consider going outside.
Here are all the things that made up The Y2k era
Teen Pop : Died in 2001, were not longer on the Billboard charts by 2002 (Justin, Britney and Christina all moved on to Mature sounds)Wikipedia again WWF : popularity died in 2001 when the WWF bought WCW and The Rock was appearing less and less.
You claim the Wrestling was never popular yet in was always in the mainstream. More then rednecks cared.
Ratings for wrestling dropped in late 2000 heading into 2001
it was in the news, WWF RAW and WWF Smackdown were the leading
tv shows on television, much like how Game of Thrones was
Oh and for the record Wrestlings ratings jacked up in 1997 when the Y2K era started
and started falling when the Y2K era was dying in 2001.
Fashion : People were not wearing shiny clothing anymore in 2002, it was more
subdued, low rise jeans was popular as well as wearing Bandannas, this was more
of a gradient change then the others. Frosted tips another y2k fad stopped being popular.
Commercials : commercials stopped using y2k font, gone was the futurism from before.
Atmosphere : There was a 2001 recession that occurred, obviously a recession slows down
the economy and changes the atmosphere
www.thebalance.com/2001-recession-causes-lengths-stats-4147962
9/11 also caused paranoid as well as the anthrax scares
Pokemon's popularity also faded as was replaced by Yuigoh
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-may-15-mn-63581-story.html
This story is from May 2001 ^ saying the y2k fad pokemon is on the decline and Yugioh is taking it's spot
You claim an era can be happening if no songs are charting, how could we still be in a teen pop era in 2002 and 2003 if none of those
songs are charting and the mass collective GP hates teen pop and thinks of it as passe ? I then used the example of Pop Punk music being
made now but its not charting or on the radio so we must be in a pop punk era now right? You never explained yourself on that.
If you payed attention to the culture back then you would have realized the era was over, No nerve striking it's just you are falsely
mis representing and era and providing false information, information that could make someone younger (who was no alive then)
misinterpret your "facts" as truth. I should not be surprised you don't pay attention to pop culture as it's going
I mean then again you had no idea who Lizzo was in another thread 
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Post by karlpalaka on Dec 18, 2019 3:42:13 GMT 10
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Jeez, calm down lady. First of all, you are verifiably wrong that teen pop ( source, source, source, one of the biggest hits that year - these are just from a cursory glance at my iPod), Y2K fashion (just a throwaway example: source; source), Y2K-era websites (unfortunately they're dead so I can't show them), and DBZ/Pokémon card popularity was gone by 2002 (still popular among Midwestern teens at the very least, you're going to have to trust me on this one) - we have been over this before and it's also right there in the post you're responding to. Also Toonami was still neck deep in its renaissance, which arguably started around 2000 or so. Also, who but rednecks care(d) about WWF? Yes, clearly, this stuff was dying but it wasn't totally and irrevocably gone. Once again though, it appears you have predetermined your conclusion and are just using convenient facts that fit your predetermined conclusion. Music may be a big part, but again it appears to be preventing you from taking in a holistic picture of the era. Moreover, you are right that pop punk is not in right now, but nothing pop punk is currently charting, is it? You can't just look at spots 1 through 10 on the Top 40s chart and say that's defining of the era. I have linked Top 40 teen pop hits from 2002 above, they were there. By focusing on 1 through 10, you pretend as though 11 through 40 didn't exist. By your logic, the fact that The Who are at #2 this week on the Billboard 200 albums means we should expect a British Re-invasion any day now. And yes, obviously there were things that existed in 2002 that lingered over from an earlier era, but pop culture doesn't solely consist of cultural works that were produced that year. There's a reason people think of Friends and Frasier's series finales as the end of an era, because eras are things that stretch beyond the confines of a single year. Grunge music and the grunge era didn't end the moment Kurt Cobain died, as the many, many grunge artists continuing to produce albums to fanfare up to 1997 (and some even beyond that) can attest. In fact I seem to remember people here making a ton of hay in one of these other atmosphere threads about 1997 being around the time the grunge era ended and the Y2K era was beginning to take shape, fully three years after In Utero. Real life and pop culture are far more organic than being dominant one month and then the next, GONE. Also, people lump 2010s songs in with "2000s Hits" all the damn time, and yet you want to tell me because something was recorded in December 2001 but released in January 2002 that it doesn't count? That's cherrypicking at its absolute worst. However, it appears I have hit a nerve, which means you may be taking this pushback a little too seriously. Consider going outside.
Here are all the things that made up The Y2k era
Teen Pop : Died in 2001, were not longer on the Billboard charts by 2002 (Justin, Britney and Christina all moved on to Mature sounds)Wikipedia again WWF : popularity died in 2001 when the WWF bought WCW and The Rock was appearing less and less.
You claim the Wrestling was never popular yet in was always in the mainstream. More then rednecks cared.
Ratings for wrestling dropped in late 2000 heading into 2001
it was in the news, WWF RAW and WWF Smackdown were the leading
tv shows on television, much like how Game of Thrones was
Oh and for the record Wrestlings ratings jacked up in 1997 when the Y2K era started
and started falling when the Y2K era was dying in 2001.
Fashion : People were not wearing shiny clothing anymore in 2002, it was more
subdued, low rise jeans was popular as well as wearing Bandannas, this was more
of a gradient change then the others. Frosted tips another y2k fad stopped being popular.
Commercials : commercials stopped using y2k font, gone was the futurism from before.
Atmosphere : There was a 2001 recession that occurred, obviously a recession slows down
the economy and changes the atmosphere
www.thebalance.com/2001-recession-causes-lengths-stats-4147962
9/11 also caused paranoid as well as the anthrax scares
Pokemon's popularity also faded as was replaced by Yuigoh
www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-may-15-mn-63581-story.html
This story is from May 2001 ^ saying the y2k fad pokemon is on the decline and Yugioh is taking it's spot
You claim an era can be happening if no songs are charting, how could we still be in a teen pop era in 2002 and 2003 if none of those
songs are charting and the mass collective GP hates teen pop and thinks of it as passe ? I then used the example of Pop Punk music being
made now but its not charting or on the radio so we must be in a pop punk era now right? You never explained yourself on that.
If you payed attention to the culture back then you would have realized the era was over, No nerve striking it's just you are falsely
mis representing and era and providing false information, information that could make someone younger (who was no alive then)
misinterpret your "facts" as truth. I should not be surprised you don't pay attention to pop culture as it's going
I mean then again you had no idea who Lizzo was in another thread
You’re just restating things I’ve already disproven. So I guess your strategy from here on out is:  Ok cool. As long as that’s established.
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