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Post by John Titor on Dec 29, 2019 9:00:08 GMT 10
I've legit been reading this kind of stuff since the early 2010s. I really think it's wistful thinking at this point for a full-on mainstream comeback. But they are still so many great rock projects coming out that are so easily accessible that it doesn't really matter imo. Why clamoring for overexposure anyway? There are so many "classic rock" bands I can't stand now because they are constantly brought into my face by music conversations all the time. I see your point, though I do think rock is in a healthier state than it was just a few years ago. In 2016, guitar-driven music was practically non-existent in the mainstream. Part of the reason as to why I wish to see it return to the mainstream in some capacity is so that it reignites a level of innovation in the genre. I get that it doesn't need to be successful for great songs to be released; some of my favourite songs from this year have been ones that were released by "unknowns". However, these songs are in the form of alt-rock or pop-punk, genres that were popular with the masses over a decade ago. If rock made a comeback to the Top-40 in some way, it will get more and more people talking about the genre once again and maybe then we will see a new aesthetic/sound emerge that will drive rock music forward. It doesn't need to be the most popular genre in the Top-40. also the atmosphere as well, The early 2000s pop punk sound was in movies (American Pie 2, Scary Movie, any teen movie you can think of) Myspace, commercials, TV shows. It just felt so damn cool, thats kind of the reason why I want it to be back in the mainstream. Rock in general always makes culture more fun, whether it be pop punk, emo, grunge or alternative. I miss when pop punk was in movies as background noise lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 10:37:04 GMT 10
Do you mean why it died in terms of what I think killed it? Yeah, pretty much. Just what you think led to it losing relevance in the mainstream and falling out of favour with people. Sorry for procrastinating - it's been a busy couple of weeks, and I can already tell you this post is going to fall short of what I originally promised. Nevertheless: What led to rock music losing relevance, and why will it be permanently dead? Simple: corporatism. The reason rock music went from being just a popular American-led genre in the 1950s to the "default" sound of popular music by the 2000s is because of its inherently rebellious nature. This mainly started in the 1960s with the British Invasion and the gradual association of rock music with the global anti-war movement (hippies in the U.S., student protests nearly everywhere else). At the same time, these bands pushed the creative boundaries by co-opting folk, psychedelia, and even classical music at one point. So here you have two poles that are the key to rock's success: anti-establishmentarianism and artistic innovation. But then, in the flood of mainstream post-grunge bands like Breaking Benjamin and Daughtry in the core 2000s, what was the state of rock? (Say what you want about the "old man ranting" nature of the video above, or the toxic masculinity inherent in his complaints about the music, Henry Rollins is nevertheless a rock music legend.) If you look at the "hottest new" rock bands of 2019, they are acts like Greta Van Fleet and The Struts - one is a Led Zeppelin knock-off, the other is a Rolling Stones knock-off. What statement is that making? How is that pushing the boundaries of art or music? I think a lot of people sense that there is nowhere left to go now, and I think that's vitiated by the fact that even if there are places to go, the bands are not going there. What they're doing is just repeating the old forms: (I took this video just the other day at what is supposed to be a venue for "underground" bands. These underground bands, which should be the avant-garde of the genre, are just mimicking Iron Maiden and Van Halen.) The closest thing I've seen to pushing the envelope in rock music this entire decade was done by a band that's not even performing rock music: In addition to rock seemingly being in a creative rut, I think a major part of what killed it is that it's no longer "cool" or "rebellious" to like rock music. By 2008, it was decidedly mainstream, and I think people sense that that makes it uncool. The most legendary rock bands of our day are acts that are selling out mega-stadiums, guys like The Who, Foo Fighters, Pearl Jam, KISS, Fleetwood Mac, etc. As Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree once put it, "music of rebellion makes you wanna rage, but it's made by millionaires of nearly twice your age." And now these same musicians are more than twice our ages - this is old person music now. On the other hand, the freshest faces in rock music are bands that are obviously put together by the record label, like HAIM or waterparks. There is nothing rebellious about being a corporate-approved act with a finely crafted sound to appeal to the masses. It's not the sound of revolution anymore; it's the sound of selling out. This image macro seems to pretty well sum up the sentiments I believe are shared by those who have abandoned rock: Now, I know I said I would give a full-throated, thoroughly researched analysis of this, but I actually want to write out a full blog post about this in the future. I'll share all of my thoughts then, when I've had further time to research. However, I think the above does provide the broad strokes of my argument. Hope that explains things.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 10:54:12 GMT 10
^^^ You make good points about the rebellious nature of rock music. The post-grunge that was popular during the 2000s was the antithesis of that. However, there were a lot of great emo bands and songs, especially during the mid 00s, for those willing to dig a little deeper than what Top 40 radio was playing.
Jazz was once considered rebellious music. It had it's rise and fall, just like rock, and is now mostly a niche genre. With that said, I don't think it's hopeless for rock to make a comeback, but it will take a band blowing up that is willing to push boundaries.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 10:57:25 GMT 10
^^^ You make good points about the rebellious nature of rock music. The post-grunge that was popular during the 2000s was the antithesis of that. However, there were a lot of great emo bands and songs, especially during the mid 00s, for those willing to dig a little deeper than what Top 40 radio was playing. Jazz was once considered rebellious music. It had it's rise and fall, just like rock, and is now mostly a niche genre. With that said, I don't think it's hopeless for rock to make a comeback, but it will take a band blowing up that is willing to push boundaries. Don't get me wrong, I love me some 2000s emo (and some '90s Midwest Emo, for that matter), but it's a stretch to call that rebellious either. I remember it as a very suburban, very white and very privileged genre - it basically epitomizes "first world problems." Hell, I remember a lot of the lyrics getting flak for vilifying women as well.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Dec 31, 2019 18:38:14 GMT 10
I don't see rock dominating in 2020, but it is possible, I just dont see it because Trap is still gonna be dominant...
But if rock did become popular again, then I'd be fine with that. Yes, EDM is dying and nothing will ever replace EDM, but at least theres something that's gonna be happy other than just Trap or Alt/Indie.
Unfortunately though, because of people's pessimistic and depressed attitudes, if rock did come back, it might be Grunge-inspired or Grunge-influenced. If not, it might be another depresso rock that has the same concept as Grunge. Please dont let this happen...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 21:42:24 GMT 10
The sound of the short-term future, in my opinion, is bedroom pop. What embodies the dominant form of music going into the future though is anyone's guess. I had sort of hoped it would be future funk, but I like my vaporwave being underground.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2019 21:48:36 GMT 10
I bet if rock makes a comeback it will be in a form none of us asked for, like grunge country or something.
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Post by sman12 on Jan 1, 2020 5:18:14 GMT 10
I bet if rock makes a comeback it will be in a form none of us asked for, like grunge country or something. * shudders* Hopefully that genre's not gonna be a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 5:41:00 GMT 10
Cowpunk, to my great disappointment, has become a thing. I wouldn't call it exactly far-fetched.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Jan 1, 2020 10:41:07 GMT 10
I bet if rock makes a comeback it will be in a form none of us asked for, like grunge country or something. * shudders* Hopefully that genre's not gonna be a thing. Sadly, it might be a thing because of the depressed and brainwashed high school kids controlling music.
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Post by mc98 on Jan 1, 2020 10:58:10 GMT 10
* shudders* Hopefully that genre's not gonna be a thing. Sadly, it might be a thing because of the depressed and brainwashed high school kids controlling music. Grunge isn't that bad.
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Post by al on Jan 1, 2020 13:06:59 GMT 10
Country trying to be rock is so ten years ago
* former fan hides in shame *
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Jan 1, 2020 14:22:23 GMT 10
Sadly, it might be a thing because of the depressed and brainwashed high school kids controlling music. Grunge isn't that bad. I know, but Grunge is known for its depression and darkness in song messages. Plus, if country got morphed with Grunge, its gonna be even worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 21:21:10 GMT 10
Sadly, it might be a thing because of the depressed and brainwashed high school kids controlling music. Grunge isn't that bad. It's not but it's thoroughly played out by this point (not to mention rebellion has long since moved on from grunge, considering how pop culture commoditized it). Plus country is always horrible, and so is anything it touches.
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Post by sman12 on Jan 2, 2020 14:43:09 GMT 10
Overall, mainstream rock in the 2010s wasn't even rock at all. Artists like Imagine Dragons and Coldplay went into more EDM than actual guitar-picking.
I really wish that the 2020s has some sort of a rock resurgence just so I can't hear the same old tired EDM/Synthpop/Trap music that are on the charts today. Thank goodness for things like Spotify and YouTube, because I can pretty much listen to less mainstream artists that actually push boundaries.
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