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Post by rainbow on Dec 21, 2019 7:21:54 GMT 10
Do you think religious bakers should be allowed to refuse to bake a cake for same-sex couples if it goes against their religion?
Personally, I don't think religious bakers should be forced to bake a cake for same-sex couples if they don't want to. I feel like forcing them to do so would violate freedom of religion.
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Post by prodanny288 on Dec 21, 2019 7:26:33 GMT 10
Yes. It's called Freedom of Religion.
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Post by dount2005 on Dec 21, 2019 7:28:53 GMT 10
Yes. It's called Freedom of Religion. Where do you draw the line between freedom of religion and hatred? There is a difference between freely practicing religion and using it to religiously discriminate for uncontrollable factors.
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Post by CupidTheStupid on Dec 21, 2019 7:29:55 GMT 10
I think being denied service because you're gay would be a heartbreaking experience. If I was a lesbian & I was in a situation where I couldn't have a cake because of my sexual partner, I'd be in tears. People deserved to be treated equally.
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Post by prodanny288 on Dec 21, 2019 7:31:38 GMT 10
Yes. It's called Freedom of Religion. Where do you draw the line between freedom of religion and hatred? There is a difference between freely practicing religion and using it to religiously discriminate for uncontrollable factors. That's the whole point. If there's no religious discrimination going on, is there even religious freedom? There's religious exceptions all the damn time. For example, I can opt-out of state testing if I'm religious, as long as I bring a letter from my church saying my religion prohibits it.
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Post by Khal on Dec 21, 2019 7:34:39 GMT 10
If gay was replaced with black the black community would be up in arms. Most of the black community is still behind when it comes to gay marriage. I'm a former muslim guy now I'm spiritual. I can tell you that most religions view on homosexuality is rooted in homophobia. They believe if you're gay or anything but straight you go straight to hell (no pun intended) My parents are the type of people who'd kick me out of the family if I came out as gay. In essence, private businesses shouldn't give special treatments to privileged people and deny benefits to disadvantaged groups.
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Post by dount2005 on Dec 21, 2019 7:36:40 GMT 10
Where do you draw the line between freedom of religion and hatred? There is a difference between freely practicing religion and using it to religiously discriminate for uncontrollable factors. That's the whole point. If there's no religious discrimination going on, is there even religious freedom? There's religious exceptions all the damn time. For example, I can opt-out of state testing if I'm religious, as long as I bring a letter from my church saying my religion prohibits it. It's almost like not doing state testing isn't homophobic and doesn't discriminate other people because of factors they have no control over.
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Post by prodanny288 on Dec 21, 2019 7:40:05 GMT 10
That's the whole point. If there's no religious discrimination going on, is there even religious freedom? There's religious exceptions all the damn time. For example, I can opt-out of state testing if I'm religious, as long as I bring a letter from my church saying my religion prohibits it. It's almost like not doing state testing isn't homophobic and doesn't discriminate other people because of factors they have no control over. Whether you agree with or not, being against gay marriage is protected free speech. You cannot force someone to change their beliefs to accommodate for the gays and lesbians. If you don't get your cake, go to another bakery. It's called capitalism.
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Post by CupidTheStupid on Dec 21, 2019 7:46:20 GMT 10
It's almost like not doing state testing isn't homophobic and doesn't discriminate other people because of factors they have no control over. Whether you agree with or not, being against gay marriage is protected free speech. You cannot force someone to change their beliefs to accommodate for the gays and lesbians. If you don't get your cake, go to another bakery. It's called capitalism. I understand where you're coming from, however, think about how same-sex couples would feel if they were denied equal treatment because of who they loved & all the past homophobia they had to experience. Do you think this would upset them? Try putting yourself in other's shoes & think about how you'd feel.
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Post by rainbow on Dec 21, 2019 7:47:29 GMT 10
It's almost like not doing state testing isn't homophobic and doesn't discriminate other people because of factors they have no control over. It's called capitalism. LOL
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Post by Lyndialy on Dec 21, 2019 7:47:39 GMT 10
Yes. I believe in freedom of religion for all. If I were to run a baking company, I would just serve straight people. My religion does not concur with same-sex marriage.
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Post by prodanny288 on Dec 21, 2019 7:50:37 GMT 10
Whether you agree with or not, being against gay marriage is protected free speech. You cannot force someone to change their beliefs to accommodate for the gays and lesbians. If you don't get your cake, go to another bakery. It's called capitalism. I understand where you're coming from, however, think about how same-sex couples would feel if they were denied equal treatment because of who they loved & all the past homophobia they had to experience. Do you think this would upset them? Try putting yourself in other's shoes & think about how you'd feel. I get how they feel. Yeah yeah, it sucks, but being an adult is dealing with it and moving on. Let's say you're a baker who has to serve an openly white supremacist. Would you do it? No. Why? Because you disagree with him.
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Post by CupidTheStupid on Dec 21, 2019 7:55:29 GMT 10
I understand where you're coming from, however, think about how same-sex couples would feel if they were denied equal treatment because of who they loved & all the past homophobia they had to experience. Do you think this would upset them? Try putting yourself in other's shoes & think about how you'd feel. I get how they feel. Yeah yeah, it sucks, but being an adult is dealing with it and moving on. Let's say you're a baker who has to serve an openly white supremacist. Would you do it? No. Why? Because you disagree with him. This isn't comparable at all. Sexual preference, unlike white supremacy, is a protected class & can't legally be discriminated against. Being a white supremacist is not a protected class & therefore there are no legal precautions for refusing service to a white supremacist.
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Post by prodanny288 on Dec 21, 2019 7:57:54 GMT 10
I get how they feel. Yeah yeah, it sucks, but being an adult is dealing with it and moving on. Let's say you're a baker who has to serve an openly white supremacist. Would you do it? No. Why? Because you disagree with him. This isn't comparable at all. Sexual preference, unlike white supremacy, is a protected class & can't legally be discriminated against. Being a white supremacist is not a protected class & therefore there are no legal precautions for refusing service to a white supremacist. But you're missing the overall point. If you don't agree with the way someone lives or thinks, why should the government force you to accommodate for them anyway? Especially if we're talking privately owned businesses?
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Post by CupidTheStupid on Dec 21, 2019 8:02:17 GMT 10
This isn't comparable at all. Sexual preference, unlike white supremacy, is a protected class & can't legally be discriminated against. Being a white supremacist is not a protected class & therefore there are no legal precautions for refusing service to a white supremacist. But you're missing the overall point. If you don't agree with the way someone lives or thinks, why should the government force you to accommodate for them anyway? Especially if we're talking privately owned businesses? Letting businesses discriminate against sexuality is a slippery slope that would create more homophobia & prejudice. Letting businesses discriminate against LGBT folks tells the general public that homophobia is ok & there's no consequences for open bigotry. This isn't the right message we should be sending. Discrimination based on race, sex & sexuality has no place in this country.
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