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Post by al on Jan 1, 2020 13:46:32 GMT 10
Bouncing off of an another thread, what is your opinion on the "fat acceptance" movement? Do you think it is helpful or harmful towards people? Do you think it encourages self-esteem or that it encourages unhealthy habits? Is obesity in the media a form of diversity?
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Post by rainbow on Jan 1, 2020 13:55:15 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2020 14:30:34 GMT 10
I disagree with "fat shaming" as it's called. Not only is it really mean spirited to insult somebody for their weight, but it's also counterproductive according to most studies on the subject (being shamed causes fat people to only eat more).
But I disagree with "fat acceptance", and the anti-science health ideas it's spinning off like "health at every size". Obesity is not healthy. It causes cancer, diabetes and heart disease. These fat Instagram models in their 20s/30s might not realize it yet but they are doing serious long-term damage to their bodies. My dad is 62 and obese but given the state of his health he may as well be 72 (diabetes and heart problems). One cheeseburger might not seriously harm you but those quickly add up, and it starts to take a toll on your health.
But also, I get it. The society we live in breeds obesity. It's one thing if one or two people are fat, but in Canada the obesity rate is 25% and overweight rate is 60%. This is a societal level failure. The fact there are several fast-food restaurants on every block, that we live in such car-dependent cities that walking is very unpleasant and many roads don't even have sidewalks, that the grocery story puts all the useful stuff in the back so you have to wade through aisles of junk food and also even more junk food at checkout, and even 3 and 4 story buildings nowadays have elevators (I get that it's for wheelchairs, but even able-bodied people are using them), it's a society that actively encourages a consumption-driven sedentary lifestyle. None of us should be surprised at how huge of a problem this has become (excuse the pun). This leads me back to fat shaming and why I think it's wrong and not the solution to our problem.
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Post by skullmaiden on Jan 2, 2020 2:12:25 GMT 10
Fat Acceptance is just a lazy solution to a problem these people are in denial about. Losing weight is too much work and they can't bear to give up their hedonistic lifestyle of overeating whatever they want and being sedentary. Deep down you know they can't be proud of it, but it's easier to blame society's beauty standards than it is to take action and lose weight.
You'll also notice how the vast majority of the movement are women. I do think women have more unfair expectations in terms of looks put on them, but I don't think most normal people expect perfection either. No amount of demanding everyone love them for being severely obese is going to change what others find attractive. It's sad how they build their whole identity around being fat as if they have nothing else to offer. Fat with a capital F!
That being said I know people personally who have severe weight problems who absolutely do not have this mindset, and want so much to do something about their weight. They'll try, but they have setbacks in life so the best thing to do is encourage someone when they make a little progress, even if it's baby steps. Telling someone they're fat isn't telling them something they don't already know and it would be counter productive. Unfortunately the fat acceptance crowd doesn't see it that way and they screech bloody murder when someone discusses weight loss or bariatric surgery to better themselves. It's nothing but a crabs in a bucket mentality.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 12:58:55 GMT 10
Accepting obesity? Sure. That doesn't mean glorifying it, but it's still wrong to shame someone for being obese. This is to say nothing of the fact that people have different standards of what it means to be fat - one person's shapely is another person's fat.
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Post by rainbow on Jan 28, 2020 0:00:46 GMT 10
The obesity rate in America is already way too high enough. And the fact that we have so many unhealthy foods and especially with the availability of fast foods only make it worse. The last thing we need is a “fat acceptance” movement. 🤷🏽♀️
Also, if “fat acceptance” is about plus-sized people being proud of their bodies, wouldn’t it be a bit insulting to call them “fat”? Like I’m surprised I haven’t seen a plus-sized person get offended over that.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 28, 2020 15:41:03 GMT 10
I would have voted "other" if it was an option. I personally don't think it is beneficial. Statistics support the consensus that obesity is bad for someone's health, so the idea of promoting a plus-sized frame is counter-productive and would actually be more detrimental to society. It's a hard one though. There's isn't a black & white solution to decreasing obesity rates or changing people's perception of obesity. If you aggressively push forward the approach that obesity is a bad thing, you risk damaging many people's self-worth and that could eventually lead to an increase in cases of undiagnosed mental illnesses. There would also be the risk that an anti-obesity campaign would make otherwise healthy people feel paranoid about their own weight. The advent of social media has meant that we are exposed to people's appearances more than we ever were in the past. "Fat shaming" or "fat accepting" would be disastrous in this day and age.
What is needed is to find the right balance between promoting a healthy diet while also not singling out (or "shaming") people who do happen to be overweight. I don't know what the answer to that is. I'm not sure if there will ever be one, seeing as how society and humans in general are naturally inclined to place an emphasis on looks, but I think increasing the air-time/exposure of people of all different shapes and sizes would be a good start. Promote the idea that men don't have to be buff or muscular to look good, or that women don't have to be skinny, bikini models to feel good about themselves. Really, the perception of obesity intertwines with the toxic ideals people have of masculinity and femininity. Addressing those issues, while also continuing to educate people about the dangers linked to obesity, would go a along way to decreasing the rates of obesity and changing the overall perception of it. "Fat acceptance" and "fat shaming" movements won't work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 13:18:21 GMT 10
No. It needs to stop being glorified.
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Post by Mystique on Feb 6, 2020 11:00:52 GMT 10
I have my bro's death certificate, where it states that cause of death was myocardial infarction, with the main contributing factors being obesity and smoking.
We don't 'glorify' smokers .. just as we shouldn't 'glorify' obesity. Healthy height/weight ratio should always be encouraged. Smokers are addicted to nicotine, people who are overweight, are probably addicted to food, whether it be emotional eating ..or whateva the case. A lot of people are predisposed to becoming overweight, others gain extra weight via side effects of certain medication. Doctors should do more to make these particular patients aware of potential future issues.
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Post by al on Feb 6, 2020 13:15:51 GMT 10
I have my bro's death certificate, where it states that cause of death was myocardial infarction, with the main contributing factors being obesity and smoking. We don't 'glorify' smokers .. just as we shouldn't 'glorify' obesity. Healthy height/weight ratio should always be encouraged. Smokers are addicted to nicotine, people who are overweight, are probably addicted to food, whether it be emotional eating ..or whateva the case. A lot of people are predisposed to becoming overweight, others gain extra weight via side effects of certain medication. Doctors should do more to make these particular patients aware of potential future issues. Sorry to hear about your brother. Your post got me thinking about the push towards viewing mental health issues and addiction more similarly to other illnesses. Moving forward, I could see this applying towards obesity as well. That may help draw the line between recognizing it as a sign of poor health while also acknowledging the human behind it. Rather than the extremes of it being glorified versus being “disgusting”.
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Post by Mystique on Feb 10, 2020 11:33:15 GMT 10
I have my bro's death certificate, where it states that cause of death was myocardial infarction, with the main contributing factors being obesity and smoking. We don't 'glorify' smokers .. just as we shouldn't 'glorify' obesity. Healthy height/weight ratio should always be encouraged. Smokers are addicted to nicotine, people who are overweight, are probably addicted to food, whether it be emotional eating ..or whateva the case. A lot of people are predisposed to becoming overweight, others gain extra weight via side effects of certain medication. Doctors should do more to make these particular patients aware of potential future issues. Sorry to hear about your brother. Your post got me thinking about the push towards viewing mental health issues and addiction more similarly to other illnesses. Moving forward, I could see this applying towards obesity as well. That may help draw the line between recognizing it as a sign of poor health while also acknowledging the human behind it. Rather than the extremes of it being glorified versus being “disgusting”. al I wish i could like your post, a hundred times over!!! (But then again, i have read a lot of your posts here .. you are all quality aye) Just a bit of a side note, and it's probably a little off topic, but since my bro's passing, losing the 30k, the assault, and the break and entry into my place .. i made a really poor choice, that being taking up smoking again >.< I went to the doctor on Friday afternoon, and asked for a script for nicotine patches. A few years ago, the patches were of great aid to me in being able to stop smoking. Anyways, the doctor asked me if i identified as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander. When i said 'no' .. he said to me .. "well that is a bit of bad luck, because only Aboriginals etc are able to get them on the PBS, at a cost of around $6.00". "You are going to have to pay $140.00 for them". I have a really rare and incurable autoimmune blood disorder, which qualifies me for disability payments ..yet I can't get what I need to help me. I'd place my last dollar on it .. the big tobacco companies, have made a deal with our government .. NO MORE CHEAP GIVE UP SMOKING AIDS, (unless you identify as Aboriginal} .. in exchange for a bigger tax payment. And thank you so much for the wishes regarding my bro
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Post by sman12 on Feb 22, 2020 9:03:29 GMT 10
Do I accept that obese people should be treated equally like everyone else? Yes.
Do I accept the fat acceptance movement for normalizing health risks related to obesity? Absolutely not.
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Post by Telso on Oct 23, 2020 7:33:33 GMT 10
Accepting obesity is like accepting anorexia. They're both equally unhealthy conditions that can lead to an early death.
Obviously "fatshaming" is a wrong and toxic behavior, and does only push people towards their bad habits as confort. Obese people should instead get the support, and mental and dietetical help to improve their weight and relationship towards food. But the fat acceptance movement is taking it to the other, equally noxious direction where "fat is healthy and should be accepted as is".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 19:26:50 GMT 10
Accepting obesity is like accepting anorexia. They're both equally unhealthy conditions that can lead to an early death. Obviously "fatshaming" is a wrong and toxic behavior, and does only push people towards their bad habits as confort. Obese people should instead get the support, and mental and dietetical help to improve their weight and relationship towards food. But the fat acceptance movement is taking it to the other, equally noxious direction where "fat is healthy and should be accepted as is". Yes, okay, this is something I can agree with.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 26, 2020 18:28:41 GMT 10
No, I used to be fat as a teenager (ages 12 - 18) and I had to lose weight due to health issues (at 18 years old). But, when I lost weight, I felt amazing and I could do a hell of a lot more, I could actually put shoes on without struggle, most of my health issues were gone and I wasn't always out of breath from doing the most basic stuff lmao.
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