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Post by jaydawg89 on Jun 16, 2020 17:21:09 GMT 10
Late 2000s, there wasn't very much early 2010s things in 2009 when you actually take a look at the year (aside from politics). No one really had a smartphone and the music was way more late 2000s, too much Rock, R&B, Ringtone/Dirty Southern Rap to really make it early 2010s. Even Emo was on its last legs that year.
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Post by slashpop on Jun 16, 2020 20:40:53 GMT 10
To me it seemed it was only late 2009. Something like October to December that the 2010s vibe was creeping in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 0:29:03 GMT 10
I'd say both. When it comes to music I'd say it leaned more towards the early '10s, though there still was some lingering '00s fads like post grunge still on the charts. Music aside, I'd say it was more late '00s. Smartphones were still a novelty and something to impress your friends with. The Internet was still in it's early Web 2.0 phase, still focused on keyboard/mouse over touch. 7th generation consoles were at the height of their popularity. The Iraq War was still going on. Hipster culture was there but it wasn't quite mainstream yet. 2009 was the last year that the emo shag was popular for guys.
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Post by mc98 on Jun 17, 2020 0:58:32 GMT 10
Looking back at 2009, it serves as a bridge between the cultural 2000s and 2010s. It definitely wasn't core 2000s anymore but the early 2010s haven't begun until around late 2009. I will admit that I felt a change in culture around late 2008/early 2009 with Obama, recession, Facebook(Yes, I heard of Facebook when I was 10), touchscreens like the iPod touch, and electropop creeping in music; it wasn't the same 2000s as late 2003-2007. However, those changes were further amplified around late 2009/early 2010 when those things listed doubled in terms of popularity making 2008/09 feel closer to the 2000s due to many stuff from the 2000s lingering around. I would put 2009 with the same category with 2013 as a unique year that have a mixture of both eras.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 17, 2020 2:26:53 GMT 10
Looking back at 2009, it serves as a bridge between the cultural 2000s and 2010s. It definitely wasn't core 2000s anymore but the early 2010s haven't begun until around late 2009. I will admit that I felt a change in culture around late 2008/early 2009 with Obama, recession, Facebook(Yes, I heard of Facebook when I was 10), touchscreens like the iPod touch, and electropop creeping in music; it wasn't the same 2000s as late 2003-2007. However, those changes were further amplified around late 2009/early 2010 when those things listed doubled in terms of popularity making 2008/09 feel closer to the 2000s due to many stuff from the 2000s lingering around. I would put 2009 with the same category with 2013 as a unique year that have a mixture of both eras. You are spot on, having started the early 2000s in middle school I was able to witness things in real time with a vivid memories, People who say 2009 was 100% 2000s are wrong, they either don't have memories of the start of the 2000s or they are just looking @ how the fashion has similarities. Did 2009 have a 2000s atmosphere vibe ? Yes it did but it was running at 60 % capacity it was not the full experience. By 2008 things from the early 2010s were being brought it very slowly. 2009 is half 2000s and half 2010s, towards the Fall it's leaning more towards 2010s. The 60% running half full 2000s vibe ended in Summer 2009, even then tho it was noticeable something was different ( recession, fashion, Hipster more apparent, Electropop) A lot of this depends if you were living in New York/New Jersey. California. If someone is living in a mid western state they won't see the changes as fast.
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Post by slashpop on Jun 17, 2020 20:01:41 GMT 10
The way I also see it, was that September 2007 to August/September 2009 were the late 2000s.
It started properly feeling this way to me (late 2000s) during spring or summer 2008 with identity starting to become clearer or stronger in a few ways. (Late 2006 to mid 2007 felt like mid 2000s that were starting to lean towards the late 2000s)
Late 2008 to mid 2009 felt closer to a new era, even though we didn't know what it was, and things starting feeling or seeming much more distinct from the vibe and style of the pure mid 2000s.
By Fall 2009, the actual real 2010s vibe was creeping much more but I think the era was slowly starting as well.
Even though this happened and all of it was felt at the time, it took until 2011 or so to make sense of it in a way. Thats just my longer take.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 18, 2020 2:14:32 GMT 10
The way I also see it, was that September 2007 to August/September 2009 were the late 2000s. It started properly feeling this way to me (late 2000s) during spring or summer 2008 with identity starting to become clearer or stronger in a few ways. (Late 2006 to mid 2007 felt like mid 2000s that were starting to lean towards the late 2000s) Late 2008 to mid 2009 felt closer to a new era, even though we didn't know what it was, and things starting feeling or seeming much more distinct from the vibe and style of the pure mid 2000s. By Fall 2009, the actual real 2010s vibe was creeping much more but I think the era was slowly starting as well. Even though this happened and all of it was felt at the time, it took until 2011 or so to make sense of it in a way. Thats just my longer take. interesting take on it, for me I felt the late 2000s vibes as soon as Fall 2006 hit - No Malcolm or That 70s show on Tv - The WB was now The CW - Smartphones getting big with Black Berry Pearl - WWE Raw changes it's theme song - Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii launch - Facebook debuts to the non college public - Timbalands dominance in full effect, Music got more digital (altho not electropop quite yet) - Disney channel has done a 180 - Windows Vista rolled out - Hipster fashions slowly creep in For the most part as you said it had a heavy mid 2000s vibe with sprinkles of DARK & DIGITAL effects on it. I honestly think summer 2006 was suppose to be the end of the 2000s but it just kept lingering on and on.
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Post by mc98 on Jun 18, 2020 2:32:57 GMT 10
The way I also see it, was that September 2007 to August/September 2009 were the late 2000s. It started properly feeling this way to me (late 2000s) during spring or summer 2008 with identity starting to become clearer or stronger in a few ways. (Late 2006 to mid 2007 felt like mid 2000s that were starting to lean towards the late 2000s) Late 2008 to mid 2009 felt closer to a new era, even though we didn't know what it was, and things starting feeling or seeming much more distinct from the vibe and style of the pure mid 2000s. By Fall 2009, the actual real 2010s vibe was creeping much more but I think the era was slowly starting as well. Even though this happened and all of it was felt at the time, it took until 2011 or so to make sense of it in a way. Thats just my longer take. Honestly, the most accurate breakdown of the late 2000s. Late 2006-mid 2007 were moderately mid/core 2000s with modifications that felt somewhat different from the actual mid 2000s. The culture was still the peak of the McBling era where the luxurious maximalism was everywhere in brands, clothing and music. The fashion felt the same as late 2004-mid 2006 but with modifications such as brighter and flashier colors that gave fashion a break from the earthy tones of the mid 2000s. Music was also not very different from the late 2004-mid 2006 despite being more "digital". Crunk still reigned supreme, urban-pop crossovers were peaking than ever with acts like Justin Timberlake, Fergie, Gwen Stefani, and emo punk was at it's highest peak with acts like Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance. This period was also the Timbaland renaissance, he was absolutely massive. MySpace hit it's highest peak in terms of social media, Facebook was around but the media was more underground and considered inferior in this time. The biggest change was the technology with game consoles such as the Wii and PS3 being released and the iPhone came out in the summer of 2007. Late 2007-mid 2008 were the proper late 2000s but still in the core 2000s range. I remember when Disney Channel was the rage of this time because of Hannah Montana, Camp Rock, and the debut of Phineas and Ferb. This would be the last period where crunk was on top of the charts like Low, Cyclone, and I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T. Music was in the 2000s but artists such as Kanye West and Britney Spears adopted the electro sound that are stylistically late 2000s and would continue to grow later on. Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne were the faces of rap in this period and would make a profound impact in the future of rap. MySpace was still king in social media but competition began when Facebook proved itself to be another legit social media platform. Scene started to replace emo and probably a backlash to the depressing and dark aesthetic of emo culture. This period would be the time when the Recession became an issue but it wouldn't be felt until the next period. Late 2008-mid 2009 had a big change that serves as a preview of the upcoming decade and felt distinct from the mid 2000s. Barack Obama was elected President of the United States and a huge milestone for the obvious reasons. The impact of the Recession felt like a bang that was heard from the entire world. 2008-2009 felt like a tug-a-war between Facebook and MySpace, it seems that the latter didn't have much ground to stand on since the former was rising in great proportions. The big changes were when pop music slowly transitioned to electropop with acts like Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, and Britney Spears. Rap had a poppier sound compared to the previous year with acts like Kanye West, T.I, Flo Rida, and Black Eyed Peas were making pop friendly hip hop. Even though smartphone ownership was very rare, the Blackberry phones peaked this year and people began to buy iPod touches which slowly began app culture. Scene started to replace emo and was probably a backlash to the depressing and dark aesthetic of emo culture. Late 2009-mid 2010 would be the official start to the cultural early 2010s. The party atmosphere was in full-effect to cope with the recession times. Electropop reigned supreme in the charts. Most of the R&B even had the electropop sound into the production. There were also newcomers that would define the 2010s such as Justin Bieber, Drake, and Bruno Mars. There were still people wearing 2000s fashion but the trendy ones were in the 2010s range. Neon flannels were the rage, girls started to wear longer and straighter hair, wearing boots and skinnier pants. Facebook defeated MySpace as the king of social media leaving Myspace lying down while slowly dying. Mobile gaming officially began with the rising sales of iPhone/iPod touch and other touchscreen alternatives.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 18, 2020 5:46:41 GMT 10
The way I also see it, was that September 2007 to August/September 2009 were the late 2000s. It started properly feeling this way to me (late 2000s) during spring or summer 2008 with identity starting to become clearer or stronger in a few ways. (Late 2006 to mid 2007 felt like mid 2000s that were starting to lean towards the late 2000s) Late 2008 to mid 2009 felt closer to a new era, even though we didn't know what it was, and things starting feeling or seeming much more distinct from the vibe and style of the pure mid 2000s. By Fall 2009, the actual real 2010s vibe was creeping much more but I think the era was slowly starting as well. Even though this happened and all of it was felt at the time, it took until 2011 or so to make sense of it in a way. Thats just my longer take. Honestly, the most accurate breakdown of the late 2000s. Late 2006-mid 2007 were moderately mid/core 2000s with modifications that felt somewhat different from the actual mid 2000s. The culture was still the peak of the McBling era where the luxurious maximalism was everywhere in brands, clothing and music. The fashion felt the same as late 2004-mid 2006 but with modifications such as brighter and flashier colors that gave fashion a break from the earthy tones of the mid 2000s. Music was also not very different from the late 2004-mid 2006 despite being more "digital". Crunk still reigned supreme, urban-pop crossovers were peaking than ever with acts like Justin Timberlake, Fergie, Gwen Stefani, and emo punk was at it's highest peak with acts like Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance. This period was also the Timbaland renaissance, he was absolutely massive. MySpace hit it's highest peak in terms of social media, Facebook was around but the media was more underground and considered inferior in this time. The biggest change was the technology with game consoles such as the Wii and PS3 being released and the iPhone came out in the summer of 2007. Late 2007-mid 2008 were the proper late 2000s but still in the core 2000s range. I remember when Disney Channel was the rage of this time because of Hannah Montana, Camp Rock, and the debut of Phineas and Ferb. This would be the last period where crunk was on top of the charts like Low, Cyclone, and I.N.D.E.P.E.N.D.E.N.T. Music was in the 2000s but artists such as Kanye West and Britney Spears adopted the electro sound that are stylistically late 2000s and would continue to grow later on. Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne were the faces of rap in this period and would make a profound impact in the future of rap. MySpace was still king in social media but competition began when Facebook proved itself to be another legit social media platform. Scene started to replace emo and probably a backlash to the depressing and dark aesthetic of emo culture. This period would be the time when the Recession became an issue but it wouldn't be felt until the next period. Late 2008-mid 2009 had a big change that serves as a preview of the upcoming decade and felt distinct from the mid 2000s. Barack Obama was elected President of the United States and a huge milestone for the obvious reasons. The impact of the Recession felt like a bang that was heard from the entire world. 2008-2009 felt like a tug-a-war between Facebook and MySpace, it seems that the latter didn't have much ground to stand on since the former was rising in great proportions. The big changes were when pop music slowly transitioned to electropop with acts like Lady Gaga, Black Eyed Peas, and Britney Spears. Rap had a poppier sound compared to the previous year with acts like Kanye West, T.I, Flo Rida, and Black Eyed Peas were making pop friendly hip hop. Even though smartphone ownership was very rare, the Blackberry phones peaked this year and people began to buy iPod touches which slowly began app culture. Scene started to replace emo and was probably a backlash to the depressing and dark aesthetic of emo culture. Late 2009-mid 2010 would be the official start to the cultural early 2010s. The party atmosphere was in full-effect to cope with the recession times. Electropop reigned supreme in the charts. Most of the R&B even had the electropop sound into the production. There were also newcomers that would define the 2010s such as Justin Bieber, Drake, and Bruno Mars. There were still people wearing 2000s fashion but the trendy ones were in the 2010s range. Neon flannels were the rage, girls started to wear longer and straighter hair, wearing boots and skinnier pants. Facebook defeated MySpace as the king of social media leaving Myspace lying down while slowly dying. Mobile gaming officially began with the rising sales of iPhone/iPod touch and other touchscreen alternatives. Excellent breakdown, ill add in a few points, remember this is NY/NJ atmosphere in my eyes Late 2006 - mid 2007Scene was already a premise if you go back to summer 2006 but it was underground. Emo was indeed at it's APEX point.Facebook was indeed underground, it would not make a splash until Mid 2007. I will say Scene started to replace Emoearlier then you depicted, around Spring 2007 Scene was really really really big. Hipster started to become it's own thingaround this time with heavy magazine articles/ Billboard advertisements for American Apparel.
When Hipster (the modern one) started out it kind of was a hybrid of scene American Apparel & classic big glasses / hipster hair. Hipster kind of morphed into it's own thing around 2008/2009 but there was def cross over. Scene was def an offshoot of contrasting the dark and depressing nature of emo. Earth tones were phased out fast.It didn't last nearly as long, we will say Scene is 2007 2008 and a bit of 2009. So 3 years at peak period. The Myspacefacebook tug of war happened around 2008 and lasted until maybe July 2009. After that continuing into August it wasclear what social media website won.Summer 2009 is like the 2000s STIMULUS package, it tech shouldn't be canon but it is and operating at 60%. There weremany periods I feel the 2000s was really suppose to end but didn't and kept evolving.Summer 2006 - Fall 2006 - Possible end pointMid 2008 - Summer 2008 - Possible end pointFall 2008 - January 2009 - Possible end pointIt just seemed the 2000s just didn't know when to bow out or the culture refused to.The 2000s just kind of limped along and fizzled out by August 2009. Without big fanfare.
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