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Post by Telso on Feb 20, 2020 21:56:37 GMT 10
I'm starting to think that all the goddamn 80s revivalism in the '10s gave a false impression of that decade's proximity towards the present, not to mention all the misconceptions. But like Infinity said above, when you pause on the facts that the 80s were pre-internet, still during the Cold War, being "environmentally friendly" was almost unheard of, that mobile technology was extremely primitive, and that AIDS was basically a death sentence, then that decade shows its age very quickly.
Even in music, while the 80s definitely stands out with the more advanced electronic instrumentation and rendition production-wise. The style, structure and songwriting of popular music songs were actually fairly close to how they were just 20 years ago.
Compare to how a basic pop song in the 2010s is extremely divergent to a 90s one on those aspects.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Feb 21, 2020 10:00:24 GMT 10
I'm starting to think that all the goddamn 80s revivalism in the '10s gave a false impression of that decade's proximity towards the present, not to mention all the misconceptions. But like Infinity said above, when you pause on the facts that the 80s were pre-internet, still during the Cold War, being "environmentally friendly" was almost unheard of, that mobile technology was extremely primitive, and that AIDS was basically a death sentence, then that decade shows its age very quickly. Even in music, while the 80s definitely stands out with the more advanced electronic instrumentation and rendition production-wise. The style, structure and songwriting of popular music songs were actually fairly close to how they were just 20 years ago. Compare to how a basic pop song in the 2010s is extremely divergent to a 90s one on those aspects. I honestly think things are just always changing at a gradual rate. The things you mentioned were still very true for most the 90s too (1990 until 1996). Pre-Internet, Aids a death sentence, before Cell Phones were popular. The 80s were the opposite of enviromental though (until the late 80s), the 80s were all about big consumerism and materialism lol. It's mainly the technology, that really dates the 80s (along with many other things, don't get me wrong) and people overrate how different the tech was from the 70s, and people never consider what the adoption rate for a lot of the new tech was. The 80s are a very dated decade especially now but, I can never group the decade with the 60s, never could as a kid, still can't now, they're very obviously different. The more time passes, the more the 80s looks like it's own decade (the 90s is the only decade to really share anything in common with at all).
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Post by mc98 on Feb 28, 2020 5:24:43 GMT 10
One of the things that the 60s and 80s share in common is that the cartoon animation were very similar.
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Post by Telso on Aug 13, 2020 8:18:04 GMT 10
One of the things that the 60s and 80s share in common is that the cartoon animation were very similar. Another aspect that I found funny is how 80s music mirrored two 60s major events. You had a second British invasion at the beginning of the decade with all those new wave acts like Gary Numan, Duran Duran, The Human League, Eurythmics, Soft Cell, Billy Idol, The Police and so on, who brought a breath of fresh air to the charts after disco's decline, just like how the first invasion did with beat music after rock 'n' roll's decline. And then you had a "second summer of love" in the late 80s due to the popularity of acid house (which itself took influence from 60s psychedelia), as well as the rise of rave culture and the associated use of hard drugs.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 13, 2020 20:45:33 GMT 10
Not to mention Live Aid in 1985, which could arguably be compared with Woodstock in terms of its cultural significance.
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Post by mc98 on Oct 3, 2020 12:02:10 GMT 10
I find it surprising that this documentary from 1983 has this old-school vibe. Not only the quality looks something from the 60s but the vibe from this is also very old, the way he's speaking and the music. I can't believe this is the same year when Thriller, New Wave and arcade games ruled the world.
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Post by Cassie on Nov 25, 2020 8:22:52 GMT 10
Can't forget the kids movies. Something like, say Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer would never be a product of the 1980s and the fact that it was just 20 years old in 1984 is mind blowing. Compare it to The Lion King, which is 26 years old in 2020 but still feels modern. In 1964 video games weren't even in existence, in 1984 the NES was just a year away and some of the most iconic games ever were out. In 1964 there were many riots and civil unrest and racism. 1984 is just so much different. Hell even Disney himself was still alive in 1964. 1964 and 1984 are more like 40 years apart than 20, they have nothing in common.
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Post by Telso on Nov 25, 2020 12:16:16 GMT 10
In 1964 video games weren't even in existence Technically wrong, "Tennis for Two" and other early video games experimentations were out since a few years by 1964. Plus 1984 itself was still so early in the history of video games, that it sort of makes sense that 20 years before that it was even more primitive. In 20 years a lot can change technology-wise. Also the most recent Disney movie by 1984, "The Fox and The Hound", had far more in common stylistically with earlier Disney movies (down to the audio quality) than the Renaissance movies. And even the next movie, 1985's "The Black Cauldron" lacks that tongue-in-cheeck wackiness that would be standardized from the Renaissance on. The tone and feel of that movie are definitely still rooted in early Disney, even if the special effects are bit more modern.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 25, 2020 17:25:47 GMT 10
In 1964 video games weren't even in existence Technically wrong, "Tennis for Two" and other early video games experimentations were out since a few years by 1964. Plus 1984 itself was still so early in the history of video games, that it sort of makes sense that 20 years before that it was even more primitive. In 20 years a lot can change technology-wise. Also the most recent Disney movie by 1984, "The Fox and The Hound", had far more in common stylistically with earlier Disney movies (down to the audio quality) than the Renaissance movies. And even the next movie, 1985's "The Black Cauldron" lacks that tongue-in-cheeck wackiness that would be standardized from the Renaissance on. The tone and feel of that movie are definitely still rooted in early Disney, even if the special effects are bit more modern. Tennis for Two wasn't commercially available though and video gaming was already pretty big in 1984 and a big part of the popular culture at the time. Kids movies didn't really change that much until the Little Mermaid really.
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Post by Telso on Nov 25, 2020 20:45:53 GMT 10
Tennis for Two wasn't commercially available though and video gaming was already pretty big in 1984 and a big part of the popular culture at the time. Read my post again, that's why I said "technically". From 1964 to 1984, video gaming went from "prototypes to a early, fickle market with an uncertain future still" rather than "nothing to everything" as assumed in that post.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 26, 2020 1:40:45 GMT 10
Technically wrong, "Tennis for Two" and other early video games experimentations were out since a few years by 1964. Plus 1984 itself was still so early in the history of video games, that it sort of makes sense that 20 years before that it was even more primitive. In 20 years a lot can change technology-wise. Also the most recent Disney movie by 1984, "The Fox and The Hound", had far more in common stylistically with earlier Disney movies (down to the audio quality) than the Renaissance movies. And even the next movie, 1985's "The Black Cauldron" lacks that tongue-in-cheeck wackiness that would be standardized from the Renaissance on. The tone and feel of that movie are definitely still rooted in early Disney, even if the special effects are bit more modern. Tennis for Two wasn't commercially available though and video gaming was already pretty big in 1984 and a big part of the popular culture at the time. Kids movies didn't really change that much until the Little Mermaid really. American Tail and Land before time have a 90s feel as well
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Post by astropoug on May 3, 2021 5:41:45 GMT 10
It amazes me how both these decades are 20 years apart. The 1960s felt like a different world compared to the 80s. Television in the 60s was mostly black and white while TV in the 80s was mostly color. The audio quality from the 60s sounds fuzzy and muffled, almost similar to the 1940s while the 80s audio quality still sounds like it can come from today. No one had a computer in the 60s, only scientists; the 80s was when everyone had an opportunity to get a computer. The fashion was very vintage in the 60s while 80s fashion was modern but dated in today’s standards. Comparing the 1990s and 2010s, there isn’t a drastic difference, while the 90s are dated, it still felt like a modern world. Is anyone impressed by how much change there was between these two decades? I think the difference between the 1960s and 1980s is astronomical, but you picked some strange examples. Was all that 1960s technology expected to stay inaccessible and unwieldy? Colour television seems like a logical follow up to black and white television. Miniaturisation of tech has been happening non-stop too; just look at the 1990s and its bulky and heavy computers to the computers we carry in our pockets today. The 1960s were a social revolution, that is why the difference between the decades seem so big. The introduction of the pill and the resulting sexual revolution turned society up on its head. Along with that came the new wave of feminism and the civil rights movement as well. That dated the 1960s very quickly. I feel the 2010s are similarly socially transformational as well, it will only take time to realize it. I'm almost certain that the legalization of gay marriage in the US in 2015 will be looked at as one of the defining moments in 2010s history. Seriously, I still don't think I've lived through anything so historic in...ever. It's up there with 9/11, Berlin Wall teardown, and I Had a Dream speech in impact IMO.
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Post by astropoug on May 3, 2021 5:45:54 GMT 10
One of the things that the 60s and 80s share in common is that the cartoon animation were very similar. I think 80s animation is fairly distinct in terms of cartoons, but otherwise yeah, the 90s REALLY changed everything in that respect. The 60s and 70s IMO are EXTREMELY similar for TV animation. They literally blend together in my head due to Hanna-Barbera controlling everything and that shitty limited animation style.
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Post by astropoug on May 3, 2021 5:48:29 GMT 10
The gap between the 60s and 80s is really accentuated when you consider there were no PCs or video games at all in the 60s, but they were everywhere in the 80s.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 26, 2022 14:40:28 GMT 10
Tennis for Two wasn't commercially available though and video gaming was already pretty big in 1984 and a big part of the popular culture at the time. Read my post again, that's why I said "technically". From 1964 to 1984, video gaming went from "prototypes to a early, fickle market with an uncertain future still" rather than "nothing to everything" as assumed in that post. Considering however that literally nobody knew what a video game even was in the 60s, vs the 80s where it became a big part of pop culture, I think that means a lot more than any degree of evolution could, no matter how drastic. Consumer electronics during the 60s in general were way more primitive than in the 80s. For goddamn sake there were literally TVs using VACUUM TUBES during the 60s. 80s tech feels a lot more connected to 00s tech than 60s tech (though keep in mind, the tech difference between the 80s and 00s is still fucking huge).
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