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Post by astropoug on Apr 26, 2022 14:48:59 GMT 10
I used to be blown away by the gap between the '60s and '80s, but honestly there are some links between the two periods. For one, the '80s were a great time for '60s nostalgia acts, as artists such as Dionne Warwick, the Rolling Stones, Aretha Franklin, Smokey Robinson, the members of Jefferson Airplane, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, the former Beatles, and many, many other '60s pop veterans were still at the forefront of the music industry in the '80s.OK but this doesn't really connect the decades so much as show nostalgia for said decade is prevalent. There is literally a trope called "Two Decades Behind" that shows this perfectly: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TwoDecadesBehindIt would be the same as if I said "OMG nothing has changed since the 90s" all because 90s nostalgia is popular nowadays. You have to remember the reason nostalgia movements like this even come into existence is precisely because said decade is both familiar yet removed from then-current culture. Also Stevie Wonder and Diana Ross are 70s icons, not 60s. Not exactly great examples to use honestly. Diana Ross's 80s material sounds pretty 80s anyway. One of her songs was legit the inspiration behind the infamous Macintosh Plus - 420, AKA the vaporwave anthem.
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Post by Telso on Apr 27, 2022 0:50:42 GMT 10
Diana Ross are 70s icons, not 60s. How so? Her days with the Supremes was agreeably far more iconic than her 70s solo career. People remember her especially for songs like "Can't Hurry Love" or "Baby Love". Besides "Love Hangover" her 70s material really hasn't transcended time in comparison.
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Post by 10slover on Apr 27, 2022 0:53:28 GMT 10
1970s-1950s is way more mind-blowing
As is 1960s-1940s
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Post by mc98 on Apr 27, 2022 1:06:49 GMT 10
I used to be blown away by the gap between the '60s and '80s, but honestly there are some links between the two periods. For one, the '80s were a great time for '60s nostalgia acts, as artists such as Dionne Warwick, the Rolling Stones, Aretha Franklin, Smokey Robinson, the members of Jefferson Airplane, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, the former Beatles, and many, many other '60s pop veterans were still at the forefront of the music industry in the '80s.OK but this doesn't really connect the decades so much as show nostalgia for said decade is prevalent. There is literally a trope called "Two Decades Behind" that shows this perfectly: tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TwoDecadesBehindIt would be the same as if I said "OMG nothing has changed since the 90s" all because 90s nostalgia is popular nowadays. You have to remember the reason nostalgia movements like this even come into existence is precisely because said decade is both familiar yet removed from then-current culture. Also Stevie Wonder and Diana Ross are 70s icons, not 60s. Not exactly great examples to use honestly. Diana Ross's 80s material sounds pretty 80s anyway. One of her songs was legit the inspiration behind the infamous Macintosh Plus - 420, AKA the vaporwave anthem. Stevie Wonder did have hits in the 60s though, although he peaked in the 70s. Diana Ross was the Beyonce of the Supremes during the 60s, which was her career peak.
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Post by Telso on Apr 27, 2022 1:11:01 GMT 10
Considering however that literally nobody knew what a video game even was in the 60s, vs the 80s where it became a big part of pop culture, I think that means a lot more than any degree of evolution could, no matter how drastic. My main point was that the video game market was still so primitive and unstable, to the point of being believed to be a "fad" when the krash happened, that I'm not that surprised how it went from basically just lab experiments to the early state of gaming in a 20 years period.
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Post by Telso on Apr 27, 2022 1:20:14 GMT 10
1970s-1950s is way more mind-blowing As is 1960s-1940s I remember watching a documentary on 1965 London, and there was a mod girl who loved to watch wartime movies and compare them to how her parents described living back then was like, and it was weird to think that same city was in complete shambles just 20 years before!
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Post by astropoug on Apr 27, 2022 2:28:34 GMT 10
1970s-1950s is way more mind-blowing As is 1960s-1940s I remember watching a documentary on 1965 London, and there was a mod girl who loved to watch wartime movies and compare them to how her parents described living back then was like, and it was weird to think that same city was in complete shambles just 20 years before! The 60s-40s is more mindblowing depending on where you are. If you lived in a country that got fucked by the war, like the UK as you mentioned, that would be a great example, since the country was bombed to smithereens on the 40s, whereas the country was in a golden age in the 60s.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 27, 2022 2:56:24 GMT 10
Considering however that literally nobody knew what a video game even was in the 60s, vs the 80s where it became a big part of pop culture, I think that means a lot more than any degree of evolution could, no matter how drastic. My main point was that the video game market was still so primitive and unstable, to the point of being believed to be a "fad" when the krash happened, that I'm not that surprised how it went from basically just lab experiments to the early state of gaming in a 20 years period. We’ll compromise and say that gaming from the early-mid 80s when Atari was still the big company in the industry, and the video game crash happened was more similar to the 60s, but the NES era is a completely different story, IMO absolutely closer to the 2000s, especially since franchises like Mario and Zelda are still popular today.
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Post by carcar on Apr 28, 2022 16:02:01 GMT 10
I'm starting to think that all the goddamn 80s revivalism in the '10s gave a false impression of that decade's proximity towards the present, not to mention all the misconceptions. But like Infinity said above, when you pause on the facts that the 80s were pre-internet, still during the Cold War, being "environmentally friendly" was almost unheard of, that mobile technology was extremely primitive, and that AIDS was basically a death sentence, then that decade shows its age very quickly. Even in music, while the 80s definitely stands out with the more advanced electronic instrumentation and rendition production-wise. The style, structure and songwriting of popular music songs were actually fairly close to how they were just 20 years ago. Compare to how a basic pop song in the 2010s is extremely divergent to a 90s one on those aspects. I honestly think things are just always changing at a gradual rate. The things you mentioned were still very true for most the 90s too (1990 until 1996). Pre-Internet, Aids a death sentence, before Cell Phones were popular. The 80s were the opposite of enviromental though (until the late 80s), the 80s were all about big consumerism and materialism lol. It's mainly the technology, that really dates the 80s (along with many other things, don't get me wrong) and people overrate how different the tech was from the 70s, and people never consider what the adoption rate for a lot of the new tech was. The 80s are a very dated decade especially now but, I can never group the decade with the 60s, never could as a kid, still can't now, they're very obviously different. The more time passes, the more the 80s looks like it's own decade (the 90s is the only decade to really share anything in common with at all). I think the 80s are getting closer and closer to being the most recent decade that’s not only recognized as not just dated and nostalgic but also historical and significantly important because of how much time has passed. It’s one of the only decades in recent time that has a very clear aesthetic that almost everybody recognizes compared to even the 90s and forward. The babies born during that decade are now adults in they’re 40s and 30s with families of they’re own with very little to no memory of it now except they’re parents. The 80s were already old in the 2000s, and many movies from the 2000s and onward speak of the 80s as a very long time ago. And when those decade age and people look back at them along with the 80s, then will people as a collective come to the realization that it’s not mind blowing the 80s we’re so long ago from the 2000s/2010s
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Post by jaydawg89 on May 3, 2022 23:44:48 GMT 10
I honestly think things are just always changing at a gradual rate. The things you mentioned were still very true for most the 90s too (1990 until 1996). Pre-Internet, Aids a death sentence, before Cell Phones were popular. The 80s were the opposite of enviromental though (until the late 80s), the 80s were all about big consumerism and materialism lol. It's mainly the technology, that really dates the 80s (along with many other things, don't get me wrong) and people overrate how different the tech was from the 70s, and people never consider what the adoption rate for a lot of the new tech was. The 80s are a very dated decade especially now but, I can never group the decade with the 60s, never could as a kid, still can't now, they're very obviously different. The more time passes, the more the 80s looks like it's own decade (the 90s is the only decade to really share anything in common with at all). I think the 80s are getting closer and closer to being the most recent decade that’s not only recognized as not just dated and nostalgic but also historical and significantly important because of how much time has passed. It’s one of the only decades in recent time that has a very clear aesthetic that almost everybody recognizes compared to even the 90s and forward. The babies born during that decade are now adults in they’re 40s and 30s with families of they’re own with very little to no memory of it now except they’re parents. The 80s were already old in the 2000s, and many movies from the 2000s and onward speak of the 80s as a very long time ago. And when those decade age and people look back at them along with the 80s, then will people as a collective come to the realization that it’s not mind blowing the 80s we’re so long ago from the 2000s/2010s My opinion has changed quite a lot since that post from 2 years ago lol.
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Post by carcar on May 4, 2022 2:43:37 GMT 10
I think the 80s are getting closer and closer to being the most recent decade that’s not only recognized as not just dated and nostalgic but also historical and significantly important because of how much time has passed. It’s one of the only decades in recent time that has a very clear aesthetic that almost everybody recognizes compared to even the 90s and forward. The babies born during that decade are now adults in they’re 40s and 30s with families of they’re own with very little to no memory of it now except they’re parents. The 80s were already old in the 2000s, and many movies from the 2000s and onward speak of the 80s as a very long time ago. And when those decade age and people look back at them along with the 80s, then will people as a collective come to the realization that it’s not mind blowing the 80s we’re so long ago from the 2000s/2010s My opinion has changed quite a lot since that post from 2 years ago lol. Lol didn’t realize that’s how old it was, how did it change
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Post by jaydawg89 on May 5, 2022 13:36:31 GMT 10
My opinion has changed quite a lot since that post from 2 years ago lol. Lol didn’t realize that’s how old it was, how did it change I reckon the 1980s are a pretty retro decade and rightfully fits in more with the 20th century (only the decades after the 2nd world war of course) rather than the early 21st century. Considering the 1980s still had the Cold War (which went on for roughly 43 years in the 20th century), the decade looks very dated at the instant you see an image or video from it, the 1980s were still a MOSTLY analog decade rather than digital, it's also still pre-internet (for like over 99% of the general population) and there is still more stuff I can bring up.
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Post by carcar on May 5, 2022 14:35:47 GMT 10
Lol didn’t realize that’s how old it was, how did it change I reckon the 1980s are a pretty retro decade and rightfully fits in more with the 20th century (only the decades after the 2nd world war of course) rather than the early 21st century. Considering the 1980s still had the Cold War (which went on for roughly 43 years in the 20th century), the decade looks very dated at the instant you see an image or video from it, the 1980s were still a MOSTLY analog decade rather than digital, it's also still pre-internet (for like over 99% of the general population) and there is still more stuff I can bring up. I think time makes these differences from to today the more the years stack up against it. Its the small things aswell. The 80s aren’t are close to being the new 50s.
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Post by Telso on May 7, 2022 3:25:32 GMT 10
Btw when you think that the older boomers (a bigger generation) in the 60s were of college years, experimenting and hopeful for change, while by the 80s they were in charge, in positions, had more money to spare than ever before and getting nostalgic.
It's kind of reflective of life in general, isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 3:45:24 GMT 10
I think you guys have it upside down. 20 years is SUPPOSED TO BE a big gap with a lot of changes. The problem is in recent times, 20 years had a lot less changes and less of a gap than before. The gap between the 60s and 80s is normal, whereas the gap between the 2000s and 2020s is abnormal (meaning less changes occurred than there were supposed to be in a 20 year gap).
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