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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 3:05:35 GMT 10
I am sure writing this is just formalizing what we all know: thanks to the tri-headed hydra of the January, February, and March crises (near war with Iran, failure of impeachment, coronavirus, and now possible global recession and/or depression), the 2010s are dead and buried. The worries of that time seem small by comparison: the Arab Spring, ISIS, the rise of the alt-right, the Great Recession, Russian interference in global elections, and more. We now face a decade where a pandemic threatens to plunge us all not into a recession, but indeed a depression, which promises to only be exacerbated by the arrival of automation to put scores of people from all sectors of industry out of work. And the specter of climate change hangs over all of this, which brings its own promises of long-dormant diseases, droughts and consequent famines, mass migrations, and conflicts between nations struggling to keep out migrants and to fight over dwindling resources and the emergence of new ones.
It's going to be a bumpy road, and I do not know how this all ends. I can't even say with any confidence if we can expect any societal stability in the near-term. But I have no illusions that this is going to rock our pop culture in ways none of us have foreseen. I mean, who cares about the Top 40s when we can't even go outside? On top of that, sports events and performances are being cancelled, movie releases are being delayed, E3 is all but gone, etc.
Who said politics doesn't matter to wider society and culture? However, it makes me wonder how these crises might change the face of art forever. After all, even in times of great turmoil, great works of art were produced. Look at the European Renaissance (don't believe what people tell you, that time was shit), the 1930s, and even the 1970s. These were times of strife but also unbelievable artistic innovation. Hell, the 1910s were the decade of the Great War, and that decade is credited with creating popular culture in the first place, which began the revolution of blurring the lines between high and low art entirely.
So that is what I put to you: even though I don't think any of us can fully predict what is coming, what do you foresee for pop culture in a time of societal upheaval? How do you anticipate things will change, if they change at all? I encourage all viewpoints: music, movies, video games, what have you. For example, it makes me wonder if the Hollywood obsession with reboots, remakes, and adaptations will die with the 2010s, in order to ensure dwindling moviegoers do put butts in seats, or if Hollywood will dig in more than ever because they are reliable audience attractors.
I'm eager to hear your thoughts.
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Post by mc98 on Mar 17, 2020 3:28:08 GMT 10
Maybe this will further increase the bedroom pop movement since those type of songs have a relaxing and indoor vibe. Streaming services will also gain huge revenue due to many people staying indoors and wanting to be entertained.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 4:20:31 GMT 10
The virus won't last forever. The question is, what is the world going to look like when it's over?
I believe the 2020s are going to be so perilous that many of us will look back on the 2010s as the "good ole days." The Great Recession will more than likely become forgotten in comparison with the 2020-203? depression. Trump and the GOP will take the blame for destroying the economy much like Hoover still takes blame for the Great Depression to this day. It's going to be years before things return to "normal" and when they do, who knows what "normal" will be. 1945 normal was very different from 1929 normal.
I also wonder if this may be the end of the culture focused on restaurants as entertainment, local mom and pop establishments, craft beer, etc. A lot of those types of businesses won't be there when the virus is over. We may be back to eating at Olive Garden and drinking Budweiser. I think only big businesses are going to survive this unless the government steps in to help small businesses re-establish themselves in the post-virus world.
I can't say I didn't see this coming when Trump was elected in 2016. I'm just surprised it took him this long to destroy the economy and plunge the country into chaos. It really shows how strong of a position Obama left the country in. It's infuriating that 40% of the country is still more concerned with who is sleeping with who and controlling women's bodies.
Truly tragic.
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Post by Telso on Mar 17, 2020 6:25:34 GMT 10
Honestly at this point I really don't care about how pop culture will turn out in this decade... I just want this crisis to be over and be able to live a normal life again...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 9:13:08 GMT 10
Honestly at this point I really don't care about how pop culture will turn out in this decade... I just want this crisis to be over and be able to live a normal life again... Almost like I've been saying for years that this Administration was a disaster waiting to happen... Anyway, while pop culture seems like a small issue considering all that threatens to rock our society, I think it is worth thinking about how these events promise to transform art and culture in the years to come. For example, take a look at what the rise of fascism in the 1930s did to painting: This is Picasso's most famous work, and arguably one of the most well-known anti-war paintings in modern history. It's a rendering of the violence and suffering of Basque villagers at the hands of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy during the Spanish Civil War. The Great Depression gave us more visual breakthroughs than I think modern society was prepared to handle:
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Post by John Titor on Mar 17, 2020 9:18:54 GMT 10
to me they ended in June 2019
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 13:22:15 GMT 10
to me they ended in June 2019 Never crawl out of that bubble, friend.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 13:50:29 GMT 10
to me they ended in June 2019 They were over by 2017 to me but 2020 buried it for real.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Mar 17, 2020 16:45:13 GMT 10
I said this in the "2020s" thread in the music sub-forum a few days ago, but I can honestly see the progression of new developments in music slowing down during and shortly after the pandemic. This isn't a good time for new artists to breakthrough because as @loosebolt suggested, who's going to want to follow the Top-40 charts when there's so much else going on in the world right now? Live venues are shut, concerts are cancelled, people can't go outside. Established artists such as Post Malone, Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran etc. will likely stick around in the mainstream longer than they would have otherwise. The current aesthetics and sub-genres popular in the Top-40 right now will linger around for longer too, at least until something else comes along and ushers them out of relevancy, or if we can somehow make it through this pandemic and the current situation in the world changes.
The music scene will fare a lot better than the film industry though, which I think will undoubtedly be the industry which will suffer the most from the coronavirus pandemic and impending economic depression. March 13-15 was reportedly the lowest box office weekend in the US since October 30-November 1, 1998. Several upcoming films have been pushed back until later on in the year as a result of the virus. The box office had already been experiencing tough competition from streaming services in recent years; now not only are cinemas closing all together due to the pandemic, but the quarantine is going to encourage more and more people to watch all their favourite shows, movies etc. through streaming. The longer this goes on, people's habits are going to change.
Technology has already evolved in such a way that watching a movie on a surround-sound, 4K TV is almost similar to a typical cinema experience. Will as many people make the effort to watch new releases at the cinemas once the pandemic is contained? It makes you wonder, because the threat of coronavirus is going to impact people on a psychological level as well. I can see people becoming much more paranoid about diseases and personal hygiene in the years to come. A cinema is still a mass gathering of people after-all, you can have hundreds of people in a cinema at a single time, so it's possible that people will begin to have second thoughts about going somewhere where there's potentially hundreds of unhygienic people and instead stick to watching the movie they want to see in the comfort of their own home. Who knows, the major film studios may even start to release theatrical films onto streaming services on the exact same day that they debut at the box office. I've always considered that to be inevitable, however I think the outbreak of coronavirus will make it happen much sooner than it would have if circumstances were different. Disney as an example have released Frozen 2 onto Disney+ several months earlier than the scheduled release date.
I'm really not sure where Hollywood will go from here. It almost seems impossible to top the amount of reboots and sequels that were released in the 2010s, but I actually tend to think the tumultuous nature of the present era will result in there being even more reboots released to cinemas in the next few years. The virus is impacting society across the board. People will be wanting things which remind them of the past, when life was filled with more hope and optimism, and what better way to do that than to release reboots and sequels to established film franchises. The recent "reboot" trend in the film industry will only start to decline once economic prospects improve IMO, and people's standards of living gets better as a result. That will take years. The coronavirus pandemic is going to define the economic prospects of the entire decade and of this generation. I believe the major film studios will come out of this a lot better than independent film makers. Really, this era is going to be a tough time for any indie or underground producer to achieve success in the mainstream.
The pandemic will probably hasten the transition to streaming based, online gaming. I've long been a believer that gaming will eventually be something that will exist in the form of new titles being released exclusively to streaming services, such as the Playstation Store. Will the release date of the PS5 be delayed due to the coronavirus? It puts a lot of things into question.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Mar 17, 2020 16:45:29 GMT 10
I kind of think the cultural 2010s ended in 2019 lol. Marvel (the most popular movie studio of the 2010s) ended a huge phase with Avengers: Endgame. Also, the two biggest shows of the 2010s, The Big Bang Theory and Game of Thrones both ended in 2019, there was also the launch of Disney Plus at the end of 2019. In 2020 there is the Coronavirus, which has created paranoia all over the world and has caused the stock market to plunge dramatically in only 1 month. There are many other reasons which makes 2019 and 2020 feel quite different from each other including the points already stated in this thread. It really feels like the 2020s have started right on time.
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Post by John Titor on Mar 18, 2020 2:13:25 GMT 10
to me they ended in June 2019 Never crawl out of that bubble, friend. realistically as some people have said 2017 or even 2018 due to the new president and what not I can agree with that but it still had a tiny 2010s flavor, For me personally around May/June when Game of Thrones ended coincidental personally and pop cultural I noticed a shift in atmosphere
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Post by John Titor on Mar 18, 2020 2:14:38 GMT 10
I kind of think the cultural 2010s ended in 2019 lol. Marvel (the most popular movie studio of the 2010s) ended a huge phase with Avengers: Endgame. Also, the two biggest shows of the 2010s, The Big Bang Theory and Game of Thrones both ended in 2019, there was also the launch of Disney Plus at the end of 2019. In 2020 there is the Coronavirus, which has created paranoia all over the world and has caused the stock market to plunge dramatically in only 1 month. There are many other reasons which makes 2019 and 2020 feel quite different from each other including the points already stated in this thread. It really feels like the 2020s have started right on time. I felt this as well
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 6:26:35 GMT 10
I said this in the "2020s" thread in the music sub-forum a few days ago, but I can honestly see the progression of new developments in music slowing down during and shortly after the pandemic. This isn't a good time for new artists to breakthrough because as @loosebolt suggested, who's going to want to follow the Top-40 charts when there's so much else going on in the world right now? Live venues are shut, concerts are cancelled, people can't go outside. Established artists such as Post Malone, Justin Bieber, Ed Sheeran etc. will likely stick around in the mainstream longer than they would have otherwise. The current aesthetics and sub-genres popular in the Top-40 right now will linger around for longer too, at least until something else comes along and ushers them out of relevancy, or if we can somehow make it through this pandemic and the current situation in the world changes. The music scene will fare a lot better than the film industry though, which I think will undoubtedly be the industry which will suffer the most from the coronavirus pandemic and impending economic depression. March 13-15 was reportedly the lowest box office weekend in the US since October 30-November 1, 1998. Several upcoming films have been pushed back until later on in the year as a result of the virus. The box office had already been experiencing tough competition from streaming services in recent years; now not only are cinemas closing all together due to the pandemic, but the quarantine is going to encourage more and more people to watch all their favourite shows, movies etc. through streaming. The longer this goes on, people's habits are going to change. Technology has already evolved in such a way that watching a movie on a surround-sound, 4K TV is almost similar to a typical cinema experience. Will as many people make the effort to watch new releases at the cinemas once the pandemic is contained? It makes you wonder, because the threat of coronavirus is going to impact people on a psychological level as well. I can see people becoming much more paranoid about diseases and personal hygiene in the years to come. A cinema is still a mass gathering of people after-all, you can have hundreds of people in a cinema at a single time, so it's possible that people will begin to have second thoughts about going somewhere where there's potentially hundreds of unhygienic people and instead stick to watching the movie they want to see in the comfort of their own home. Who knows, the major film studios may even start to release theatrical films onto streaming services on the exact same day that they debut at the box office. I've always considered that to be inevitable, however I think the outbreak of coronavirus will make it happen much sooner than it would have if circumstances were different. Disney as an example have released Frozen 2 onto Disney+ several months earlier than the scheduled release date. I'm really not sure where Hollywood will go from here. It almost seems impossible to top the amount of reboots and sequels that were released in the 2010s, but I actually tend to think the tumultuous nature of the present era will result in there being even more reboots released to cinemas in the next few years. The virus is impacting society across the board. People will be wanting things which remind them of the past, when life was filled with more hope and optimism, and what better way to do that than to release reboots and sequels to established film franchises. The recent "reboot" trend in the film industry will only start to decline once economic prospects improve IMO, and people's standards of living gets better as a result. That will take years. The coronavirus pandemic is going to define the economic prospects of the entire decade and of this generation. I believe the major film studios will come out of this a lot better than independent film makers. Really, this era is going to be a tough time for any indie or underground producer to achieve success in the mainstream. The pandemic will probably hasten the transition to streaming based, online gaming. I've long been a believer that gaming will eventually be something that will exist in the form of new titles being released exclusively to streaming services, such as the Playstation Store. Will the release date of the PS5 be delayed due to the coronavirus? It puts a lot of things into question. Funny you should mention major artists sticking around and the unknowns being missed due to the crises of our times. I actually think the opposite will happen, because I feel like the tone of those established artists will feel “off” or not hit the right note with a generation trying to survive an unstable decade. That is, I think people will feel a sort of dissonance towards the old guard, much as I have described to you feeling “guilty” listening to swing jazz from the hedonistic 1920s, knowing the rude awakening of the 1930s was around the corner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 14:09:18 GMT 10
^^^ I already can't listen to the music I was listening to a couple of months ago. "Drake - Life Is Good" is a perfect example. I can't listen to that in these current times. Actually I can't listen to trap or hip-hop at all in general and definitely not EDM. I've been gravitating more towards jazz lately.
I think the 2010s are our century's "Roaring 20s" and the 2020s will be the new 1930s. The 2008 recession was bad in comparison to the second half of the 20th century but it's nothing compared to what the 2020s will bring and what has already begun. Life as most of us have known it our entire lives is over. I personally believe the economy is not likely to return to 2019 levels until at least mid 2030s if not the 2040s. It's that bad.
I'm coming to terms with my own personal "peak" being 2011. I don't think my life will ever be as good as it was then. I think I've missed my own chance to have a life worth living.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 8:03:53 GMT 10
^^^ I already can't listen to the music I was listening to a couple of months ago. "Drake - Life Is Good" is a perfect example. I can't listen to that in these current times. Actually I can't listen to trap or hip-hop at all in general and definitely not EDM. I've been gravitating more towards jazz lately. I think the 2010s are our century's "Roaring 20s" and the 2020s will be the new 1930s. The 2008 recession was bad in comparison to the second half of the 20th century but it's nothing compared to what the 2020s will bring and what has already begun. Life as most of us have known it our entire lives is over. I personally believe the economy is not likely to return to 2019 levels until at least mid 2030s if not the 2040s. It's that bad. I'm coming to terms with my own personal "peak" being 2011. I don't think my life will ever be as good as it was then. I think I've missed my own chance to have a life worth living. That sucks since I remember 2020 was going to be your big break. We're still only 3 months into this decade though, I think we can recover from this thing. This recession will be caused by the pandemic rather than any market wastefulness (unlike 2008) so I hope things can get back up and running soon.
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