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Post by John Titor on Apr 2, 2020 4:54:25 GMT 10
 * Notes : Dragon Ball Z and Sailor Moon get added to nation wide syndication by fall 1996 and become a underground hit * Cartoon Networks Toonami debuts in 1997 * some of the y2k era started in 97 continues into 2001 * Dragon Ball Z explodes in popularity in 1999
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 2, 2020 18:43:24 GMT 10
1989, and even 1990 to a certain extent, were still predominantly '80s cultural years. If we're using the term "zeitgeist" to describe the period of time between when a decade's established culture was dominant from start to finish, then I really don't see how 1989 can be described as being the point that '90s culture took over. The year isn't even comparable to how the 2010s established themselves towards the second-half of 2009. Hair metal, gated drums, mullets, neon clothing, as well as shows such as "Growing Pains", "Married...with Children" etc., were all still culturally relevant in 1990. In contrast, stereotypical '00s things such as baggy jeans, snap-rap and Myspace were essentially phased out by the start of 2010.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 3, 2020 2:31:05 GMT 10
1989, and even 1990 to a certain extent, were still predominantly '80s cultural years. If we're using the term "zeitgeist" to describe the period of time between when a decade's established culture was dominant from start to finish, then I really don't see how 1989 can be described as being the point that '90s culture took over. The year isn't even comparable to how the 2010s established themselves towards the second-half of 2009. Hair metal, gated drums, mullets, neon clothing, as well as shows such as "Growing Pains", "Married...with Children" etc., were all still culturally relevant in 1990. In contrast, stereotypical '00s things such as baggy jeans, snap-rap and Myspace were essentially phased out by the start of 2010. - Sega Genesis ( when you think of 90s videos games this 1 comes to mind) - Saved by The Bell - Grunge started brewing (altho would not be mainstream until 91) - Nintendo Game Boy (the portal system of the 90s) - The Simpsons (need I say more) - Batman the Movie (which spanned Batman 2 -Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin) We wouldn't be completely there until 93, but its all started in 89, all of these things are part of 90s culture, Abc TGIF all part of 90s culture, Saved by The Bell, Part of 90s culture, The Simpsons (HUGE part of 90s culture) Its the same thing as saying 2009 was a 2010s beta year, The Overall zeitgeist of the 90s started in 89 while the mid 90s zeitgeist started in 93. Tons of iconic 90s comedies started between late 1988 - 1989. 1988 is a stretch so we will just go with 1989. By the time we were in December 1989. - Batman was one again a power house force - Married with Children was the most controversial show on televison - The Simpsons was making waves with a rebellious Bart Simpson - Roseanne was making waves on Abc - Abc's TGIF became a permanent staple in everyones home - People were bringing their Game Boys to school - Full House was the 1# family comedy - Family Matters debuted - We entered the 16- bit gaming era - Gangsta rap made waves with NWA All of these things I listed were HUGE parts of the overall scope of 90s culture , anyone that lived in the 90s knows this. Even tho it was leaning more 80s its in this weird mish mash where its both cultures, so much 90s culture is making its roots in 89 that it can be counted as source materiel. If you want the cliff notes version the main main timeline is mid 1993 - September 1996 where culture is the most uniform, but on an overall scope 89 is where all the magic happened. I know this was a long winded rant so bare with me lol
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 3, 2020 9:06:48 GMT 10
- Sega Genesis ( when you think of 90s videos games this 1 comes to mind) - Saved by The Bell - Grunge started brewing (altho would not be mainstream until 91) - Nintendo Game Boy (the portal system of the 90s) - The Simpsons (need I say more) - Batman the Movie (which spanned Batman 2 -Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin) We wouldn't be completely there until 93, but its all started in 89, all of these things are part of 90s culture, Abc TGIF all part of 90s culture, Saved by The Bell, Part of 90s culture, The Simpsons (HUGE part of 90s culture) Its the same thing as saying 2009 was a 2010s beta year, The Overall zeitgeist of the 90s started in 89 while the mid 90s zeitgeist started in 93. Tons of iconic 90s comedies started between late 1988 - 1989. 1988 is a stretch so we will just go with 1989. By the time we were in December 1989. - Batman was one again a power house force - Married with Children was the most controversial show on televison - The Simpsons was making waves with a rebellious Bart Simpson - Roseanne was making waves on Abc - Abc's TGIF became a permanent staple in everyones home - People were bringing their Game Boys to school - Full House was the 1# family comedy - Family Matters debuted - We entered the 16- bit gaming era - Gangsta rap made waves with NWA All of these things I listed were HUGE parts of the overall scope of 90s culture , anyone that lived in the 90s knows this. Even tho it was leaning more 80s its in this weird mish mash where its both cultures, so much 90s culture is making its roots in 89 that it can be counted as source materiel. If you want the cliff notes version the main main timeline is mid 1993 - September 1996 where culture is the most uniform, but on an overall scope 89 is where all the magic happened. I know this was a long winded rant so bare with me lol I think you're over-exagerrating with some of the points. The Simpsons didn't debut until the 17th December 1989. Your comment about the show "making waves with a rebellious Bart Simpson" actually applies more to the Early '90s itself, which was when The Simpsons was airing at 8pm Sundays to compete head-to-head with The Cosby Show and George W Bush made the infamous comment about how he was going to make "American families a lot more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons". You can't imply that the series was one of the biggest shows on television in December 1989 when only one episode aired that month, lol, and the episode that did air wasn't even the highest-rating show on FOX that night. You are right in saying that the things you mentioned had their debuts in 1989 and that they were important in shaping the 1990s as a decade, however, that's not to say that the overall culture of the time should be grouped in with the cultural zeitgeist of the '90s. You can find arbitrary, cultural similarities in any year if you look hard enough. For instance, the iPhone was first released in 2007 and Netflix launched it's video-on-demand service that year, but you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would consider 2007 to be apart of the 2010s cultural zeitgeist.
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Post by mc98 on Apr 5, 2020 3:44:38 GMT 10
1989 was still culturally 80s (specifally late). Even though there was still 80s leftovers in 1990, there were a lot of things in that year that were distinguishable from the 80s.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on Apr 6, 2020 15:46:57 GMT 10
Speaking about 1996, did you like the song 'My Boo' by Ghost Town DJ's?
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Post by slashpop on Apr 11, 2020 22:33:00 GMT 10
- Sega Genesis ( when you think of 90s videos games this 1 comes to mind) - Saved by The Bell - Grunge started brewing (altho would not be mainstream until 91) - Nintendo Game Boy (the portal system of the 90s) - The Simpsons (need I say more) - Batman the Movie (which spanned Batman 2 -Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin) We wouldn't be completely there until 93, but its all started in 89, all of these things are part of 90s culture, Abc TGIF all part of 90s culture, Saved by The Bell, Part of 90s culture, The Simpsons (HUGE part of 90s culture) Its the same thing as saying 2009 was a 2010s beta year, The Overall zeitgeist of the 90s started in 89 while the mid 90s zeitgeist started in 93. Tons of iconic 90s comedies started between late 1988 - 1989. 1988 is a stretch so we will just go with 1989. By the time we were in December 1989. - Batman was one again a power house force - Married with Children was the most controversial show on televison - The Simpsons was making waves with a rebellious Bart Simpson - Roseanne was making waves on Abc - Abc's TGIF became a permanent staple in everyones home - People were bringing their Game Boys to school - Full House was the 1# family comedy - Family Matters debuted - We entered the 16- bit gaming era - Gangsta rap made waves with NWA All of these things I listed were HUGE parts of the overall scope of 90s culture , anyone that lived in the 90s knows this. Even tho it was leaning more 80s its in this weird mish mash where its both cultures, so much 90s culture is making its roots in 89 that it can be counted as source materiel. If you want the cliff notes version the main main timeline is mid 1993 - September 1996 where culture is the most uniform, but on an overall scope 89 is where all the magic happened. I know this was a long winded rant so bare with me lol I think you're over-exagerrating with some of the points. The Simpsons didn't debut until the 17th December 1989. Your comment about the show "making waves with a rebellious Bart Simpson" actually applies more to the Early '90s itself, which was when The Simpsons was airing at 8pm Sundays to compete head-to-head with The Cosby Show and George W Bush made the infamous comment about how he was going to make "American families a lot more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons". You can't imply that the series was one of the biggest shows on television in December 1989 when only one episode aired that month, lol, and the episode that did air wasn't even the highest-rating show on FOX that night. You are right in saying that the things you mentioned had their debuts in 1989 and that they were important in shaping the 1990s as a decade, however, that's not to say that the overall culture of the time should be grouped in with the cultural zeitgeist of the '90s. You can find arbitrary, cultural similarities in any year if you look hard enough. For instance, the iPhone was first released in 2007 and Netflix launched it's video-on-demand service that year, but you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would consider 2007 to be apart of the 2010s cultural zeitgeist. Hey there, So I somewhat agree with John Titor. I remember late 1989 feeling very 90s and inseparable from 1990 to early to mid 1992 and more more so in many different aspects not just pop culturally but and other factors in retrospect with new info etc. - Music was officially leaning more towards house influenced music and a newer dance/pop/freestyle sound than stereotypical late 80s music (that becomes super apparent in to mid to late 1990) does not have the degree of stereotypical 80s music that even late 1988- mid 1989 had - Curtained haired, slighly baggier and looser 90s style clothing and pre grunge fashion ( edward furlong style hair, flannel, 90s earth colors) becomes more more prominent and visible - Tracey Ulman Show which was quite a big show is aired enough through 1987-1989 and so many many people are familiar with the Simpson shorts by 1989 before the show airs. There was also merch in stores likely at the tail end of the year. - Genesis, Turbografx 16 and Amiga computers all have enough solid 16 gaming choices by then even though they aren't peaking like 1991-93. Genesis is the hot new system setting the stage and creating a lot of buzz. Nes is obviously massively popular and king but mario 3/power glove seems to be the last major hype around it and is 4 years old going on 5. Acid House concert: Visual samples of 1989 fashion
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Post by slashpop on Apr 11, 2020 22:36:14 GMT 10
- Sega Genesis ( when you think of 90s videos games this 1 comes to mind) - Saved by The Bell - Grunge started brewing (altho would not be mainstream until 91) - Nintendo Game Boy (the portal system of the 90s) - The Simpsons (need I say more) - Batman the Movie (which spanned Batman 2 -Batman Returns, Batman Forever and Batman and Robin) We wouldn't be completely there until 93, but its all started in 89, all of these things are part of 90s culture, Abc TGIF all part of 90s culture, Saved by The Bell, Part of 90s culture, The Simpsons (HUGE part of 90s culture) Its the same thing as saying 2009 was a 2010s beta year, The Overall zeitgeist of the 90s started in 89 while the mid 90s zeitgeist started in 93. Tons of iconic 90s comedies started between late 1988 - 1989. 1988 is a stretch so we will just go with 1989. By the time we were in December 1989. - Batman was one again a power house force - Married with Children was the most controversial show on televison - The Simpsons was making waves with a rebellious Bart Simpson - Roseanne was making waves on Abc - Abc's TGIF became a permanent staple in everyones home - People were bringing their Game Boys to school - Full House was the 1# family comedy - Family Matters debuted - We entered the 16- bit gaming era - Gangsta rap made waves with NWA All of these things I listed were HUGE parts of the overall scope of 90s culture , anyone that lived in the 90s knows this. Even tho it was leaning more 80s its in this weird mish mash where its both cultures, so much 90s culture is making its roots in 89 that it can be counted as source materiel. If you want the cliff notes version the main main timeline is mid 1993 - September 1996 where culture is the most uniform, but on an overall scope 89 is where all the magic happened. I know this was a long winded rant so bare with me lol I think you're over-exagerrating with some of the points. The Simpsons didn't debut until the 17th December 1989. Your comment about the show "making waves with a rebellious Bart Simpson" actually applies more to the Early '90s itself, which was when The Simpsons was airing at 8pm Sundays to compete head-to-head with The Cosby Show and George W Bush made the infamous comment about how he was going to make "American families a lot more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons". You can't imply that the series was one of the biggest shows on television in December 1989 when only one episode aired that month, lol, and the episode that did air wasn't even the highest-rating show on FOX that night. You are right in saying that the things you mentioned had their debuts in 1989 and that they were important in shaping the 1990s as a decade, however, that's not to say that the overall culture of the time should be grouped in with the cultural zeitgeist of the '90s. You can find arbitrary, cultural similarities in any year if you look hard enough. For instance, the iPhone was first released in 2007 and Netflix launched it's video-on-demand service that year, but you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would consider 2007 to be apart of the 2010s cultural zeitgeist. Second Clip
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Post by John Titor on Apr 12, 2020 2:48:11 GMT 10
I think you're over-exagerrating with some of the points. The Simpsons didn't debut until the 17th December 1989. Your comment about the show "making waves with a rebellious Bart Simpson" actually applies more to the Early '90s itself, which was when The Simpsons was airing at 8pm Sundays to compete head-to-head with The Cosby Show and George W Bush made the infamous comment about how he was going to make "American families a lot more like the Waltons and a lot less like the Simpsons". You can't imply that the series was one of the biggest shows on television in December 1989 when only one episode aired that month, lol, and the episode that did air wasn't even the highest-rating show on FOX that night. You are right in saying that the things you mentioned had their debuts in 1989 and that they were important in shaping the 1990s as a decade, however, that's not to say that the overall culture of the time should be grouped in with the cultural zeitgeist of the '90s. You can find arbitrary, cultural similarities in any year if you look hard enough. For instance, the iPhone was first released in 2007 and Netflix launched it's video-on-demand service that year, but you would be hard pressed to find anyone who would consider 2007 to be apart of the 2010s cultural zeitgeist. Hey there, So I somewhat agree with John Titor. I remember late 1989 feeling very 90s and inseparable from 1990 to early to mid 1992 and more more so in many different aspects not just pop culturally but and other factors in retrospect with new info etc. - Music was officially leaning more towards house influenced music and a newer dance/pop/freestyle sound than stereotypical late 80s music (that becomes super apparent in to mid to late 1990) does not have the degree of stereotypical 80s music that even late 1988- mid 1989 had - Curtained haired, slighly baggier and looser 90s style clothing and pre grunge fashion ( edward furlong style hair, flannel, 90s earth colors) becomes more more prominent and visible - Tracey Ulman Show which was quite a big show is aired enough through 1987-1989 and so many many people are familiar with the Simpson shorts by 1989 before the show airs. There was also merch in stores likely at the tail end of the year. - Genesis, Turbografx 16 and Amiga computers all have enough solid 16 gaming choices by then even though they aren't peaking like 1991-93. Genesis is the hot new system setting the stage and creating a lot of buzz. Nes is obviously massively popular and king but mario 3/power glove seems to be the last major hype around it and is 4 years old going on 5. Acid House concert: Visual samples of 1989 fashion Yeah that is what people forget The Simpsons were already in the public consciousnesses by 89 because of the Tracy Ullmann show, and the main show on FOX made it explode in popularity, Simpsons were ALREADY a thing before the show. Don't forget Batman as well blowing up.
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Post by slashpop on Apr 12, 2020 7:14:22 GMT 10
Hey there, So I somewhat agree with John Titor. I remember late 1989 feeling very 90s and inseparable from 1990 to early to mid 1992 and more more so in many different aspects not just pop culturally but and other factors in retrospect with new info etc. - Music was officially leaning more towards house influenced music and a newer dance/pop/freestyle sound than stereotypical late 80s music (that becomes super apparent in to mid to late 1990) does not have the degree of stereotypical 80s music that even late 1988- mid 1989 had - Curtained haired, slighly baggier and looser 90s style clothing and pre grunge fashion ( edward furlong style hair, flannel, 90s earth colors) becomes more more prominent and visible - Tracey Ulman Show which was quite a big show is aired enough through 1987-1989 and so many many people are familiar with the Simpson shorts by 1989 before the show airs. There was also merch in stores likely at the tail end of the year. - Genesis, Turbografx 16 and Amiga computers all have enough solid 16 gaming choices by then even though they aren't peaking like 1991-93. Genesis is the hot new system setting the stage and creating a lot of buzz. Nes is obviously massively popular and king but mario 3/power glove seems to be the last major hype around it and is 4 years old going on 5. Acid House concert: Visual samples of 1989 fashion Yeah that is what people forget The Simpsons were already in the public consciousnesses by 89 because of the Tracy Ullmann show, and the main show on FOX made it explode in popularity, Simpsons were ALREADY a thing before the show. Don't forget Batman as well blowing up. Look at all the people in the video. That's just a sample sample of late 1989 was very 90s fashion and vibe wise. late 1987 to mid 1989 had significantly more mid 80s fashion blended in. People were even dressing like that up into summer 1994-1997. Simpsons merch from 1989: www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=simpsons+1989+&_sacat=0
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