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Post by mc98 on Apr 26, 2020 0:47:00 GMT 10
Which decade from the 20th century do you consider to be old enough to have no connections or relations to today?
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Post by broadstreet223 on Apr 26, 2020 0:50:52 GMT 10
Any decade before the 90s
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Post by mc98 on Apr 26, 2020 1:04:08 GMT 10
Any decade before the 90s I mean the 60s-80s were old but they are like retro/vintage old. Not old enough to be considered antique.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 13:08:13 GMT 10
I think the 1940s purely belongs to history class. At least with the 1950s some people are nostalgic over it and it exerts some influence.
For me personally though I feel some connection to the 1920s because my grandparents were kids or born then and it feels very familiar.
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Post by Cassie on Apr 26, 2020 13:26:33 GMT 10
Anything before the 80s seems out there to me.
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Post by karlpalaka on Apr 26, 2020 14:51:41 GMT 10
Anything before 1945.
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Post by mc98 on Apr 27, 2020 0:54:39 GMT 10
I think the 1940s purely belongs to history class. At least with the 1950s some people are nostalgic over it and it exerts some influence. For me personally though I feel some connection to the 1920s because my grandparents were kids or born then and it feels very familiar. I agree, the 1950s influence is still impacting today with things like suburb lifestyle, television, teenage culture, modern pop structures, and some of the fashion trends are still being worn today:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 4:17:44 GMT 10
I can agree to that. I really relate with some of the historical and political events going on in the 1930s and 40s, but culturally and artistically we're really getting out there by 1944 and earlier.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 27, 2020 10:14:58 GMT 10
1200 BC
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Post by Telso on Apr 27, 2020 10:28:41 GMT 10
Tbh in the great schemes of things, the 1920s are the truly first modern decade. Sure, they're very vintage now but it's also when things like cars, electric home appliances, long-length cinema, animation, radio, telephones, commercial air travelling and midi length dresses were fully widespread and mainstream for the first time. And they were all huge game changers.
I honestly think the 2020s won't be as disconnected from the 1920s the same way the 2010s were from the 1910s. It was so bad that we actually went to WWII memorials when World War 1 was celebrating its 100th anniversary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 12:30:58 GMT 10
Tbh in the great schemes of things, the 1920s are the truly first modern decade. Sure, they're very vintage now but it's also when things like cars, electric home appliances, long-length cinema, animation, radio, telephones, commercial air travelling and midi length dresses were fully widespread and mainstream for the first time. And they were all huge game changers. in the 1920s? I'm sure that wasn't the case across Europe.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Apr 27, 2020 13:43:05 GMT 10
Tbh in the great schemes of things, the 1920s are the truly first modern decade. Sure, they're very vintage now but it's also when things like cars, electric home appliances, long-length cinema, animation, radio, telephones, commercial air travelling and midi length dresses were fully widespread and mainstream for the first time. And they were all huge game changers. I honestly think the 2020s won't be as disconnected from the 1920s the same way the 2010s were from the 1910s. It was so bad that we actually went to WWII memorials when World War 1 was celebrating its 100th anniversary. Very true though, a lot of changes you mentioned were actually already happening in the 1900s and 1910s. I feel like the 1920s was the first decade to truly feel 20th century but, the changes associated with the 1920s mainly took place between 1901 - 1919.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 27, 2020 22:04:20 GMT 10
The 1940s if we're referring to the most recent decade to have little to no connections with the present day, but in all seriousness, I really do think that the argument could be made that it's actually the 1980s which is the oldest decade to exert any significant influence on the world today. It was the decade that saw PCs, climate change, and post-modernism all enter the mainstream consciousness, not to mention the fact that '80s nostalgia is still all the rage at the moment. You can find far more parallels between the way in which people went about their lives in the 1980s and the present day than what you can if you were to compare the year 2020 with any era before then.
While that may be stating the obvious on face value, there is in fact quite a number of significant differences between how society functioned before and after the 1980s, not just in terms of technology, but also in relation to general psyche and communication. Portable music listening and mobile communication had become standardised by the 1980s. That's a pretty big deal, in my opinion, seeing as how the basis of streaming (which has been so integral to the way in which entertainment is consumed) itself revolves around being able to listen to whatever you want, when you want. Also, the period of time between the birth of rock 'n roll in the Mid 1950s and the emergence of MTV was marked by constant transition and the breaking down of the archaic social customs/values of the past, such as achieving equality among race and the liberation of women's rights. While society has continued to progress since the '80s, the '80s themselves were more of a consolidation and a reevaluation of the progress/work that had been done in the two decades prior. Even to this day, we are still enjoying the fruits of what was done during the 1960s and 1970s, and you would be hard pressed to find someone who believes that we are in the exact same stage of human history as what we were in during the 1960s.
The point i'm making is that with the passing of time, we reach a certain threshold point in which despite a number of noted similarities that may exist between the present day and that of the distant past, the origins of those similarities are simply too long ago to be truly applicable with the present day. Society is a continuum. Youth culture will in all likelihood continue to be a thing 50 years from now, but that doesn't mean the 2070s will have tangible connections with the decade in which youth culture first came into existence; the 1950s. The 1950s will be well and truly in the history books by then, even with certain similarities or 'connections' between the two being apparent. Alexander Graham Bell invented the first working telephone in 1876, however, it would be ridiculous to say that we have connections with a time that was almost 150 years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 14:01:02 GMT 10
Tbh in the great schemes of things, the 1920s are the truly first modern decade. Sure, they're very vintage now but it's also when things like cars, electric home appliances, long-length cinema, animation, radio, telephones, commercial air travelling and midi length dresses were fully widespread and mainstream for the first time. And they were all huge game changers. in the 1920s? I'm sure that wasn't the case across Europe. Can I ask again? I'm really intrigued where these things listed were widespread in the 1920s. Maybe my history books were lying to me
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 15:24:35 GMT 10
in the 1920s? I'm sure that wasn't the case across Europe. Can I ask again? I'm really intrigued where these things listed were widespread in the 1920s. Maybe my history books were lying to me Those are broad categories and I'm not sure which devices Teslo specifically had in mind. I think what makes the 1920s feels so familiar that it is effectively the first decade where we have a lot of films and photos from. And from what I can glean from these photos is that people KNEW how to have fun. It makes the decade feel a lot more human. Compare that to the decades before the 1890s where the nostalgics of the Victorian Era brag about how conservative and morally superior it was compared to the debauchery of 1890s onwards. Electricity and car ownership was common in most urban areas. The 1920s were still quite antique in other ways, though. Refrigerators/freezers were not invented yet, heating was be coal powered, international travel would still happen on ships rather than planes (although planes were definitely around), and while many people owned cars, the roads were still dominated by pedestrians, street cars and horse carriages while cars were seen as a dangerous menace to the roads. Child labour was still common, most people dropped out of high school before they graduated and women were not allowed to go to university (not that many people did anyway). I believe most of humanity was also living under colonialism.
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