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Post by #Infinity on May 13, 2020 7:56:58 GMT 10
COVID-19 isn't permanent. The economy will start moving in the right direction again once people go out and do the things they've sorely missed during the quarantine. Yes, but we don't know how long-lasting the economic damage will be. It could be 5-10 years before we get to a true recovery again, it's too soon to say. I'm just trying to instill hope in somebody who is so scarily lacking in it that I'm genuinely worried for him. No, the economy will not be great as soon as people are allowed to go out again, but there will be avenues to pull through. Some jobs have been doing better than ever; it could just be a matter of adapting.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 8:23:07 GMT 10
Yes, but we don't know how long-lasting the economic damage will be. It could be 5-10 years before we get to a true recovery again, it's too soon to say. I'm just trying to instill hope in somebody who is so scarily lacking in it that I'm genuinely worried for him. No, the economy will not be great as soon as people are allowed to go out again, but there will be avenues to pull through. Some jobs have been doing better than ever; it could just be a matter of adapting. Duly noted. I mean you are right. I do remember an interesting anecdote from when I was in college about a relatively new immigrant to the U.S. who started a business in the worst year of the Great Depression. However he couldn’t read English yet so had no idea what was going on, and carried on his business as if everything was normal, and did so to great success. A fragile economy or a distant hope of recovery doesn’t mean our lives are over.
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Post by bestmvp29 on May 14, 2020 3:58:38 GMT 10
He's referring to the faction of "Christians" who just use Christianity as an excuse for abhorrent, bigoted, oppressive treatment of minorities. They do not care about the selflessness Jesus preached and instead look for obscure, antiquated verses to make themselves feel better for dong terrible things to others. There's a major difference between real Christians and extreme fundamentalists. Yeah, I have to agree. @bchris02 is referring to the Prosperity Gospel, anyone different than me is going to hell, "fuck you, got mine" variety of Christians. Whether they're the "real" Christians or not, well, that depends on more enlightened, tolerance-minded Christians to decide. Are they going to let these folks be the loudest voices for their religion or will they try to live the philosophy of love and understanding that Jesus preached? And what's funny about that is the Prosperity Gospel is false, it is not real Christianity. It's whole purpose is that God wants us to be healthy and wealthy. If we ate not, then that means we don't have enough faith or we are not real Christians, which makes no sense because there are a lot of Christians who are poor in wealth and health in not only third-world countries, but also in America, and they seem to be more on fire for God then those fake Prosperity Gospel preachers who only care about themselves and are sending themselves and drones of people to Hell with their false doctrine.
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Post by bestmvp29 on May 14, 2020 4:04:36 GMT 10
Uhh bchris, sorry to say this but the fact that you said Christians are ruining America made me feel personally attacked... I am a Christian myself, but I don't support Trump, and I believe gay marriage is ok as people have the freedom to be who they want to be. Nobody is perfect, we all sin, just so you know. Please don't hate on me The thing is, brother, we cannot compromise our beliefs for people to like us. The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is a sin, and a gay marriage in God's eyes is not only ok, but it is also invalid, which means he does not consider them married like how a man and woman would be. Yes, we are all imperfect and will always have a sinful nature on this side of eternity, but we cannot condone sin. We should love everybody and tell them the truth, rather than being silent and accept their behavior. If they don't like us, then that is what we will have to deal with, because Jesus said that we will face persecution and at the end of the day not everyone is going to like us.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 4:18:35 GMT 10
COVID-19 isn't permanent. The economy will start moving in the right direction again once people go out and do the things they've sorely missed during the quarantine. Yes, but we don't know how long-lasting the economic damage will be. It could be 5-10 years before we get to a true recovery again, it's too soon to say. Realistically, we are looking at 2-3 years of rolling lockdowns until a vaccine is ready and then 10-15 years until the economy is running full steam again. There will be life after COVID-19 but nobody knows what it's going to look like. Only thing I know is I'll be approaching my 50s. The next 2-3 years are likely to be the darkest anyone alive today has ever experienced. Things are going to get much worse before they get better. "My" years were 2015-2019. Actually, my decade was the 2010s and I didn't realize it. I wasted those years and now they are gone. This situation I'm in now was one of my worst fears. I have thought about this kind of thing over the past five years and lo and behold, it happened. Wish I would have just taken the risk and moved in 2015. Uhh bchris, sorry to say this but the fact that you said Christians are ruining America made me feel personally attacked... I am a Christian myself, but I don't support Trump, and I believe gay marriage is ok as people have the freedom to be who they want to be. Nobody is perfect, we all sin, just so you know. Please don't hate on me The thing is, brother, we cannot compromise our beliefs for people to like us. The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is a sin, and a gay marriage in God's eyes is not only ok, but it is also invalid, which means he does not consider them married like how a man and woman would be. Yes, we are all imperfect and will always have a sinful nature on this side of eternity, but we cannot condone sin. We should love everybody and tell them the truth, rather than being silent and accept their behavior. If they don't like us, then that is what we will have to deal with, because Jesus said that we will face persecution and at the end of the day not everyone is going to like us. I wish you people would stop confusing the Bible and the U.S. Constitution. If you believe gay people are abominations, you have every right to not accept them and kick them out of your church but it's not part of your "religious freedom" to take away the civil rights of other tax-paying Americans for not living how your church believes they should.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2020 11:10:27 GMT 10
Uhh bchris, sorry to say this but the fact that you said Christians are ruining America made me feel personally attacked... I am a Christian myself, but I don't support Trump, and I believe gay marriage is ok as people have the freedom to be who they want to be. Nobody is perfect, we all sin, just so you know. Please don't hate on me The thing is, brother, we cannot compromise our beliefs for people to like us. The Bible clearly says that homosexuality is a sin, and a gay marriage in God's eyes is not only ok, but it is also invalid, which means he does not consider them married like how a man and woman would be. Yes, we are all imperfect and will always have a sinful nature on this side of eternity, but we cannot condone sin. We should love everybody and tell them the truth, rather than being silent and accept their behavior. If they don't like us, then that is what we will have to deal with, because Jesus said that we will face persecution and at the end of the day not everyone is going to like us. Ah yes, the other kind of Christians that make the world a terrible place.
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Post by #Infinity on May 16, 2020 18:12:43 GMT 10
I wish you people would stop confusing the Bible and the U.S. Constitution. If you believe gay people are abominations, you have every right to not accept them and kick them out of your church but it's not part of your "religious freedom" to take away the civil rights of other tax-paying Americans for not living how your church believes they should. Gay marriage is not going away anytime soon, trust me. Anyways, gays are allowed in church. Church isn't supposed to be for the uptight, religious people, but is for the broken and the hopeless who need to find hope in Jesus. The church is like the hospital for sinners. My opinion should not matter, I am just stating the what is says from the Bible about homosexuality. If you think I am trying to be holier than thou, I am not. If there are "Christians" who treat people that way because they are straight and are not a "sinner", chances are that they might not be a real Christian and need to repent as much as the homosexual. People like that can be very prideful and hateful when God calls us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Let me make one thing clear to you. We are all wretched sinners. You are a sinner. I am a sinner. We are rebels to God. We broke the 10 commandments that are written in our hearts. We have lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, dishonored our parents, committed murder (hating someone is committing murder in our heart), and adultery (lusting after a man or woman is committing adultery in our heart). We all deserve Hell. That is why God sent His son to die for us on the cross and rise three days later so that we could be made righteous in His eyes and have a relationship with Him. That is the Gospel. Nothing else. I still sin, but it doesn't define me anymore. I am now a born-again child of God because I put in my faith in Him and repented from my sin. You can accept the free gift of salvation too, if you put your faith in Him. Lastly, there are a lot of Christians who are not born again and still living in sin. To enter Heaven, we have to be born again. That is all I have to say. Look, I'm sorry, I know you mean well, but now is not the time for your sermons about homosexuality being sinful. bchris02 asks for nothing but unconditional love and support right now. He doesn't need your passive aggressive statements about his genuine emotions being wrong and sinful. This very logic has been constantly exploited and abused by the Christian Right to oppress people like himself, and it's the exact reason for his outlook being so grim right now. Yes, we have all sinned. We're not all perfect. God forgives us. But by you emphasizing bchris02's impulses as being disgusting and sinful where your own, heterosexual impulses are not, you're being incredibly condescending, whether you realize it or not. If you want him to have faith, please actually listen to him and accept him unconditionally, don't judge what he was born with in the first place.
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Post by Lyndialy on May 17, 2020 2:23:26 GMT 10
I wish you people would stop confusing the Bible and the U.S. Constitution. If you believe gay people are abominations, you have every right to not accept them and kick them out of your church but it's not part of your "religious freedom" to take away the civil rights of other tax-paying Americans for not living how your church believes they should. Gay marriage is not going away anytime soon, trust me. Anyways, gays are allowed in church. Church isn't supposed to be for the uptight, religious people, but is for the broken and the hopeless who need to find hope in Jesus. The church is like the hospital for sinners. My opinion should not matter, I am just stating the what is says from the Bible about homosexuality. If you think I am trying to be holier than thou, I am not. If there are "Christians" who treat people that way because they are straight and are not a "sinner", chances are that they might not be a real Christian and need to repent as much as the homosexual. People like that can be very prideful and hateful when God calls us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Let me make one thing clear to you. We are all wretched sinners. You are a sinner. I am a sinner. We are rebels to God. We broke the 10 commandments that are written in our hearts. We have lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, dishonored our parents, committed murder (hating someone is committing murder in our heart), and adultery (lusting after a man or woman is committing adultery in our heart). We all deserve Hell. That is why God sent His son to die for us on the cross and rise three days later so that we could be made righteous in His eyes and have a relationship with Him. That is the Gospel. Nothing else. I still sin, but it doesn't define me anymore. I am now a born-again child of God because I put in my faith in Him and repented from my sin. You can accept the free gift of salvation too, if you put your faith in Him. Lastly, there are a lot of Christians who are not born again and still living in sin. To enter Heaven, we have to be born again. That is all I have to say. I agree with that gay marriage is sinful. In saying that, I respect gay individuals and I remember the fact that God loves all regardless of sin.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 6:21:41 GMT 10
Gay marriage is not going away anytime soon, trust me. Anyways, gays are allowed in church. Church isn't supposed to be for the uptight, religious people, but is for the broken and the hopeless who need to find hope in Jesus. The church is like the hospital for sinners. My opinion should not matter, I am just stating the what is says from the Bible about homosexuality. If you think I am trying to be holier than thou, I am not. If there are "Christians" who treat people that way because they are straight and are not a "sinner", chances are that they might not be a real Christian and need to repent as much as the homosexual. People like that can be very prideful and hateful when God calls us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Let me make one thing clear to you. We are all wretched sinners. You are a sinner. I am a sinner. We are rebels to God. We broke the 10 commandments that are written in our hearts. We have lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, dishonored our parents, committed murder (hating someone is committing murder in our heart), and adultery (lusting after a man or woman is committing adultery in our heart). We all deserve Hell. That is why God sent His son to die for us on the cross and rise three days later so that we could be made righteous in His eyes and have a relationship with Him. That is the Gospel. Nothing else. I still sin, but it doesn't define me anymore. I am now a born-again child of God because I put in my faith in Him and repented from my sin. You can accept the free gift of salvation too, if you put your faith in Him. Lastly, there are a lot of Christians who are not born again and still living in sin. To enter Heaven, we have to be born again. That is all I have to say. Look, I'm sorry, I know you mean well, but now is not the time for your sermons about homosexuality being sinful. bchris02 asks for nothing but unconditional love and support right now. He doesn't need your passive aggressive statements about his genuine emotions being wrong and sinful. This very logic has been constantly exploited and abused by the Christian Right to oppress people like himself, and it's the exact reason for his outlook being so grim right now. Yes, we have all sinned. We're not all perfect. God forgives us. But by you emphasizing bchris02's impulses as being disgusting and sinful where your own, heterosexual impulses are not, you're being incredibly condescending, whether you realize it or not. If you want him to have faith, please actually listen to him and accept him unconditionally, don't judge what he was born with in the first place. It's like fundamentalists think I've never heard any of this. They really think that I just haven't prayed hard enough or that I just haven't trusted God enough and if I did, I would be straight or happy in singleness. I spent almost the entire decade of my twenties in Christian therapy trying to change my orientation. I was raised in a devout Independent Fundamental Baptist family and was in church every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night. I memorized scripture all throughout my upbringing. I think I prayed for God to make me heterosexual for long enough and I'm not going to commit to being alone for the rest of my life. And no, the "church community" is no substitute for unconditional acceptance.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2020 6:25:19 GMT 10
Look, I'm sorry, I know you mean well, but now is not the time for your sermons about homosexuality being sinful. bchris02 asks for nothing but unconditional love and support right now. He doesn't need your passive aggressive statements about his genuine emotions being wrong and sinful. This very logic has been constantly exploited and abused by the Christian Right to oppress people like himself, and it's the exact reason for his outlook being so grim right now. Yes, we have all sinned. We're not all perfect. God forgives us. But by you emphasizing bchris02's impulses as being disgusting and sinful where your own, heterosexual impulses are not, you're being incredibly condescending, whether you realize it or not. If you want him to have faith, please actually listen to him and accept him unconditionally, don't judge what he was born with in the first place. It's like fundamentalists think I've never heard any of this. They really think that I just haven't prayed hard enough or that I just haven't trusted God enough and if I did, I would be straight or happy in singleness. I spent almost the entire decade of my twenties in Christian therapy trying to change my orientation. I was raised in a devout Independent Fundamental Baptist family and was in church every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night. I memorized scripture all throughout my upbringing. I think I prayed for God to make me heterosexual for long enough and I'm not going to commit to being alone for the rest of my life. And no, the "church community" is no substitute for unconditional acceptance. Just ignore the assholes who try to trash you for being you. Who you are is who you were meant to be, and nobody could possibly do it better than you. I know it sounds corny, but I think it's completely true. And for all that is good and holy, get outta there and move into the civilized world!
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Post by #Infinity on May 17, 2020 13:30:59 GMT 10
Look, I'm sorry, I know you mean well, but now is not the time for your sermons about homosexuality being sinful. bchris02 asks for nothing but unconditional love and support right now. He doesn't need your passive aggressive statements about his genuine emotions being wrong and sinful. This very logic has been constantly exploited and abused by the Christian Right to oppress people like himself, and it's the exact reason for his outlook being so grim right now. Yes, we have all sinned. We're not all perfect. God forgives us. But by you emphasizing bchris02's impulses as being disgusting and sinful where your own, heterosexual impulses are not, you're being incredibly condescending, whether you realize it or not. If you want him to have faith, please actually listen to him and accept him unconditionally, don't judge what he was born with in the first place. I don't apologize for what I said, but I am sorry about how I said it and did not mean to come off as judgmental. We as Christians are called to righteously judge and not hypocritically judge, but at the same time, we really should only be judging those in the church and not unbelievers. There are a lot of false teachings and hypocrites who claim to be "Christians" and need to call them out on it. But in reality, we all make judgments everyday, based on what we like, what we choose to do, who we associate ourselves with, etc. For the unbeliever, we should still acknowledge the fact that they are a sinner and tell them the cold-hard truth of the Gospel, but also doing it in love. We all sin, but the difference between me and the world is that I feel sorry for my sin and want to live holy by sinning less, even though that I fall short everyday because of my sinful nature that started with Adam. The world lives in unrepentant sin and feel proud of their sin, willfully doing it and see nothing wrong with it. God gives us mercy everyday, but about the thing that you said about God forgiving us, He only forgives us if we accept what His son did on the cross for the remission of our sins and live for Him, repenting from sin (changing your mind about sin and agreeing with what God thinks about it and turning from it). That is how we are forgiven, by grace through faith, and not works. We could never be good enough for God's kingdom on our own and deserve His wrath. Every single one of us. The greatest deceptions of all is that people think they are a good person when God's moral standard of good is much higher than ours, and also that they can still have a relationship in Christ and live like the world, doing whatever they want and live in sin and still expect to go to Heaven. We as Christians should be loving to everyone just as Christ loved us, including gays. Heterosexuals are just as bad as homosexuals in their sin, and the unbeliever has no hope of changing from their sin without Christ. That is why they just need to come to Christ for forgiveness and God will give them a new heart with new desires that will change them from the inside out. You don't fix yourself up before going to God, but rather we go to God and He fixes us. If I discouraged bchris02 in any way, I am sorry, and I love him, but I was just trying to tell the truth on here. The Gospel is the greatest equalizer of mankind. Despite age, gender, race, sexuality, economic status, etc., we are all sinners and need the grace of God for salvation. I know that I preached once again, but I just wanted to clear up some things that I ended up going in full on detail with. I know that people are not gonna like what I say or even hate me for it, but I would rather want them to not like me for what I truly mean than what it seems to them of what I said. It would be better if you didn't say anything more. You're still coming from a horrifyingly condescending angle. All your talk about loving the sinner amounts to nothing when you're really just regurgitating the same things fundamentalist Christians have spewed to make bchris02 think he's this broken, horrible person just for being gay. As he just stated above, everything you're preaching here he has been and done to absolutely no avail.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 17, 2020 16:59:06 GMT 10
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I know this might be a personal question to ask and I would understand if you don't feel comfortable answering it, but what experiences have you had with the far-right Christians whom you describe? Do you have regular interactions with these people? I don't doubt that there would be towns across the US which are mostly made up of bible-peddling nut-cases, however you can't beat yourself up based on the viewpoints of a vocal minority. You're better than those people, don't let them bully you into thinking that there's no hope for the future.
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Post by Early2010sGuy on May 18, 2020 5:48:06 GMT 10
Hey bchris, I'm sorry for making you feel worse about yourself, I didn't mean for the Christian topic to go too far. 😔 Again, that is human nature where we all sin and make mistakes, but life doesn't get any easier. However, you grow stronger from it, and I'm glad you were able to handle the bullies like a champion, just know that. Don't let what others say about you hurt you, because I can tell you are a strong person, and God loves you always.
Remember, just be yourself. You have our support coming from me, #Infinity, and others, as we try to help as much as we can to make you feel strong. Our messages may not be perfect, but just focus on the bright side that you're handling this like a champion, and if we're hurting you, just let us know and we'll try to fix it as well. Those discriminatory assholes shouldn't matter to your life, they probably went through some bad things too.
My advice is to do the things you love doing. Do you like gaming? Painting? Writing books or singing? Follow your desired path where God takes you and at the end of the day, you'll be proud of your hard work. Hard work never goes unrewarded. You can also try something new! Ever had dreams from your childhood you wanted to pursue? It is never too late to start. Lots of the celebrities you see online got their success from hard work and perseverance. They should be your inspiration, like JK Rowling for example, she has been through A LOT of problems like extreme depression from her husband abusing her. But she thought of what she was good at, at the very depths of her mind. She brought it up, started writing, which took multiple tries to be successful. Same could be said for Colonel Sanders, he grew up with a hard life as well, but through hard work and determination at an old age, he was successful for founding KFC. If they can do it, you can do it. Trust me, you are strong. There will always be haters, yes, but don't mind them and focus on your fans for your career you pursue. By the end of the day, youll be happy for what you achieved 😊
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 2:53:54 GMT 10
@bchris02 I know this might be a personal question to ask and I would understand if you don't feel comfortable answering it, but what experiences have you had with the far-right Christians whom you describe? Do you have regular interactions with these people? I don't doubt that there would be towns across the US which are mostly made up of bible-peddling nut-cases, however you can't beat yourself up based on the viewpoints of a vocal minority. You're better than those people, don't let them bully you into thinking that there's no hope for the future. I grew up in a very fundamentalist Baptist home and my father was a preacher. My parents severely sabotaged me in my twenties and I'm still trying to move on from that. I was making a lot of progress and then COVID-19 happened. My only hope regarding my current situation would have been for me to have been in a better, more stable place before COVID-19 hit. Everyone right now is stuck as they were when this all started. Those who were in a good place probably are having an easier time right now than those who weren't. I start therapy (finally) tomorrow. I didn't start this thread as much to vent about my personal situation as I did to vent about our new post-COVID reality. 18 months of social distancing to some extent followed by a decade or more of economic ruin is a future of nightmares. My mind is still blown and I'm at a loss for words in regards to what has happened. I really wish I could have experienced life and the culture of the 2010s under different circumstances because that world is gone forever. Pictures from six months ago are historical artifacts at this point. Life in 2020 feels like an apocalyptic horror movie and there isn't much hope for things to get better in the near or midterm future. I've been called a "snowflake" and told to "pull up my big boy pants" because I've been having a rough time with this. However, I'm not one of those people protesting with a sign because I can't get a haircut.
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Post by sonygod100 on May 23, 2020 7:21:29 GMT 10
This nihilism outlook needs to stop right now. I know your upset about what going on with world today and I am to, but man you need to get yourself together and stop with this defeatist that there's no hope. If you want a better world you have to make positive changes regardless of any crisis that there's a light in the tunnel. Let's be realistic here hope is not gonna come with prayers and faith, it comes for standing up for yourself and make real change and we all want to make change. So please be a human and create positively
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