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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2020 10:29:00 GMT 10
This nihilism outlook needs to stop right now. I know your upset about what going on with world today and I am to, but man you need to get yourself together and stop with this defeatist that there's no hope. If you want a better world you have to make positive changes regardless of any crisis that there's a light in the tunnel. Let's be realistic here hope is not gonna come with prayers and faith, it comes for standing up for yourself and make real change and we all want to make change. So please be a human and create positively I get where you are coming from but I just can't find much to be hopeful about right now. I agree with you that hope comes from making real change, but COVID-19 means being stuck at home and not much change happens that way. I really wish human hibernation was possible. I'd love to just skip over at least the next five years.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 16, 2021 10:02:54 GMT 10
Gay marriage is not going away anytime soon, trust me. Anyways, gays are allowed in church. Church isn't supposed to be for the uptight, religious people, but is for the broken and the hopeless who need to find hope in Jesus. The church is like the hospital for sinners. My opinion should not matter, I am just stating the what is says from the Bible about homosexuality. If you think I am trying to be holier than thou, I am not. If there are "Christians" who treat people that way because they are straight and are not a "sinner", chances are that they might not be a real Christian and need to repent as much as the homosexual. People like that can be very prideful and hateful when God calls us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Let me make one thing clear to you. We are all wretched sinners. You are a sinner. I am a sinner. We are rebels to God. We broke the 10 commandments that are written in our hearts. We have lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, dishonored our parents, committed murder (hating someone is committing murder in our heart), and adultery (lusting after a man or woman is committing adultery in our heart). We all deserve Hell. That is why God sent His son to die for us on the cross and rise three days later so that we could be made righteous in His eyes and have a relationship with Him. That is the Gospel. Nothing else. I still sin, but it doesn't define me anymore. I am now a born-again child of God because I put in my faith in Him and repented from my sin. You can accept the free gift of salvation too, if you put your faith in Him. Lastly, there are a lot of Christians who are not born again and still living in sin. To enter Heaven, we have to be born again. That is all I have to say. Look, I'm sorry, I know you mean well, but now is not the time for your sermons about homosexuality being sinful. bchris02 asks for nothing but unconditional love and support right now. He doesn't need your passive aggressive statements about his genuine emotions being wrong and sinful. This very logic has been constantly exploited and abused by the Christian Right to oppress people like himself, and it's the exact reason for his outlook being so grim right now. Yes, we have all sinned. We're not all perfect. God forgives us. But by you emphasizing bchris02's impulses as being disgusting and sinful where your own, heterosexual impulses are not, you're being incredibly condescending, whether you realize it or not. If you want him to have faith, please actually listen to him and accept him unconditionally, don't judge what he was born with in the first place. After further reflection, I might have not responded in the best way. As human beings, we all have sinful temptations that we struggle with and we tend to give in to those temptations. It's how we are wired. To love our sin. The most important thing isn't if we sin or not, because we sin everyday in these corrupted bodies. All we need to do to be righteous in God's eyes is not cleaning up our life or stop being gay or whatever sin we are living in. We have to admit that we are sinners (which about 95% of people know that they are sinners and not perfect) who deserve to go to Hell and there is nothing that we can do to earn salvation on our own because our righteousness is of filthy rags (turning from homosexuality will not get anyone saved and it is no different than the heterosexual sins). All we can do is accept the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross 2,000 years ago and believed that his blood shed on the cross pays for all of our sins (past, present, and future) to be saved and justified in the eyes of God. Yes, there will unfortunately be Christians who live in sin after they are saved (that includes homosexuality) but because they believed on Christ (they trusted in His sacrifice alone for salvation), they are saved for eternity. You can't lose something that you never earned. That's what is the most important message that people need to hear. They are not going to Hell because they are gay, but they are going to Hell but because they ultimately rejected Christ. That's all I have to say about that.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 16, 2021 10:11:10 GMT 10
Look, I'm sorry, I know you mean well, but now is not the time for your sermons about homosexuality being sinful. bchris02 asks for nothing but unconditional love and support right now. He doesn't need your passive aggressive statements about his genuine emotions being wrong and sinful. This very logic has been constantly exploited and abused by the Christian Right to oppress people like himself, and it's the exact reason for his outlook being so grim right now. Yes, we have all sinned. We're not all perfect. God forgives us. But by you emphasizing bchris02's impulses as being disgusting and sinful where your own, heterosexual impulses are not, you're being incredibly condescending, whether you realize it or not. If you want him to have faith, please actually listen to him and accept him unconditionally, don't judge what he was born with in the first place. It's like fundamentalists think I've never heard any of this. They really think that I just haven't prayed hard enough or that I just haven't trusted God enough and if I did, I would be straight or happy in singleness. I spent almost the entire decade of my twenties in Christian therapy trying to change my orientation. I was raised in a devout Independent Fundamental Baptist family and was in church every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night. I memorized scripture all throughout my upbringing. I think I prayed for God to make me heterosexual for long enough and I'm not going to commit to being alone for the rest of my life. And no, the "church community" is no substitute for unconditional acceptance. I have realized that as an unregenerate person, you can't turn from sin. I guess, technically you can, but you can't truly break away from it in your own power. We are slaves to sin. That's why we need to be born again. Once we believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried, and rose again, and that His sacrifice paid for ALL of our sins (past, present, and future), we are justified in His eyes and we get to spend eternity with Him forever. Once we are saved, the Holy Spirit can help us break away from habitual sins. Of course, some Christians do choose to stay in that lifestyle because they can't seem to break the habit, but they are aware it is wrong. They feel guilty after doing those things and not totally acting like it's totally fine like the unsaved. I'm sorry that you grew up in a church like that that didn't handle issues like yours very well. There are a lot of hypocritical, self-righteous, religious Pharisees out there telling other people how to live when they also have their skeletons in the closet if you look hard enough. Lastly, it's not all about sin. You just have to believe. We ultimately don't go to Hell for sin, but for unbelief. I might have not given the best response but I hope this is more understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 4:16:33 GMT 10
It's like fundamentalists think I've never heard any of this. They really think that I just haven't prayed hard enough or that I just haven't trusted God enough and if I did, I would be straight or happy in singleness. I spent almost the entire decade of my twenties in Christian therapy trying to change my orientation. I was raised in a devout Independent Fundamental Baptist family and was in church every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night. I memorized scripture all throughout my upbringing. I think I prayed for God to make me heterosexual for long enough and I'm not going to commit to being alone for the rest of my life. And no, the "church community" is no substitute for unconditional acceptance. I have realized that as an unregenerate person, you can't turn from sin. I guess, technically you can, but you can't truly break away from it in your own power. We are slaves to sin. That's why we need to be born again. Once we believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried, and rose again, and that His sacrifice paid for ALL of our sins (past, present, and future), we are justified in His eyes and we get to spend eternity with Him forever. Once we are saved, the Holy Spirit can help us break away from habitual sins. Of course, some Christians do choose to stay in that lifestyle because they can't seem to break the habit, but they are aware it is wrong. They feel guilty after doing those things and not totally acting like it's totally fine like the unsaved. I'm sorry that you grew up in a church like that that didn't handle issues like yours very well. There are a lot of hypocritical, self-righteous, religious Pharisees out there telling other people how to live when they also have their skeletons in the closet if you look hard enough. Lastly, it's not all about sin. You just have to believe. We ultimately don't go to Hell for sin, but for unbelief. I might have not given the best response but I hope this is more understanding. I spent every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night plus countless weekly Bible studies for almost 30 years of my life. It's insulting for you to assume that I've never heard any of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 4:34:07 GMT 10
It’s too early in the 2020s to be asking these questions. The 2020s barely started. If anything, we still have time to turn the 2020s around for the better and make it a great era.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 19, 2021 11:15:34 GMT 10
I have realized that as an unregenerate person, you can't turn from sin. I guess, technically you can, but you can't truly break away from it in your own power. We are slaves to sin. That's why we need to be born again. Once we believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried, and rose again, and that His sacrifice paid for ALL of our sins (past, present, and future), we are justified in His eyes and we get to spend eternity with Him forever. Once we are saved, the Holy Spirit can help us break away from habitual sins. Of course, some Christians do choose to stay in that lifestyle because they can't seem to break the habit, but they are aware it is wrong. They feel guilty after doing those things and not totally acting like it's totally fine like the unsaved. I'm sorry that you grew up in a church like that that didn't handle issues like yours very well. There are a lot of hypocritical, self-righteous, religious Pharisees out there telling other people how to live when they also have their skeletons in the closet if you look hard enough. Lastly, it's not all about sin. You just have to believe. We ultimately don't go to Hell for sin, but for unbelief. I might have not given the best response but I hope this is more understanding. I spent every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night plus countless weekly Bible studies for almost 30 years of my life. It's insulting for you to assume that I've never heard any of it. What do you want me to say then? You probably heard all the church terminology there is. What am I supposed to say? Tell me how it's insulting because I don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 11:26:47 GMT 10
I spent every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night plus countless weekly Bible studies for almost 30 years of my life. It's insulting for you to assume that I've never heard any of it. What do you want me to say then? You probably heard all the church terminology there is. What am I supposed to say? Tell me how it's insulting because I don't get it. Maybe because homosexuality isn't a sin, and you're basically saying someone is a terrible person for feeling something that is completely natural?
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 19, 2021 22:06:52 GMT 10
What do you want me to say then? You probably heard all the church terminology there is. What am I supposed to say? Tell me how it's insulting because I don't get it. Maybe because homosexuality isn't a sin, and you're basically saying someone is a terrible person for feeling something that is completely natural? That is just ignorant. Homosexuality is definitely a sin, but it's no different than any heterosexual sin. I'm not one of those "Christians" who consider homosexuality the unforgivable sin (because it clearly isn't) but it's just like every other sin. It's a person going after their natural, carnal, lustful desire. And based on what you just said, logically, we are all terrible people because we all feel something natural. Just because it could be natural doesn't mean it's not a sin. The natural man is sinful. Sin is just simply missing the mark and disobeying God's law. Even the smallest wrong thought is a sin. That's how sinful the human nature is. If you want someone to blame for that, blame Adam.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 23:07:32 GMT 10
Maybe because homosexuality isn't a sin, and you're basically saying someone is a terrible person for feeling something that is completely natural? That is just ignorant. Homosexuality is definitely a sin, but it's no different than any heterosexual sin. I'm not one of those "Christians" who consider homosexuality the unforgivable sin (because it clearly isn't) but it's just like every other sin. It's a person going after their natural, carnal, lustful desire. And based on what you just said, logically, we are all terrible people because we all feel something natural. Just because it could be natural doesn't mean it's not a sin. The natural man is sinful. Sin is just simply missing the mark and disobeying God's law. Even the smallest wrong thought is a sin. That's how sinful the human nature is. If you want someone to blame for that, blame Adam. That's funny, because sex is also not a sin. Man, you talk about "self-righteous . . . Pharisees" telling other people how to live their lives, when you appear to be the only one doing that here. I mean, "thinking wrongly" is sinful? Give me a break. Maybe it's not that the logical fault is that "we are all terrible people because we all feel something natural," but rather that we are not all terrible people and feeling that is just completely normal. Live and let live: the fact that I have an active sex life with my wife or that someone else here may do that with someone of the same sex is not a bad thing, and more to the point, it has no actual impact on your life.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 23:57:26 GMT 10
I spent every Sunday morning, Sunday night, and Wednesday night plus countless weekly Bible studies for almost 30 years of my life. It's insulting for you to assume that I've never heard any of it. What do you want me to say then? You probably heard all the church terminology there is. What am I supposed to say? Tell me how it's insulting because I don't get it. Just don't say anything at all. Live and let live. Stop throwing stones at anyone and everyone who doesn't live their lives up to the standard that you believe they should. Focus on your OWN family.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Apr 20, 2021 0:06:08 GMT 10
I think it's for the best if we could please all move on from this discussion. Let's end it here before the discussion does start to boil down to personal attacks. Thank you.
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