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Post by slashpop on May 19, 2020 22:06:00 GMT 10
What are your thoughts on this genre? and when were you first introduced to it? What I find interesting is it was among last rock movements or eras in a way.
What I also mean by that is that it was the last rock era to have a big mainstream presence, to have heavy reliance on radio singles and creative and expensive music videos, where people were buying rock magazines and physical albums and being a unique music hybrid not a rehash of a older genre. I can't think of anything that was the same after 2004/2005 onwards. It seemed by then and after that early social media and Internet culture was more ubiquitous and traditional presence of rock within the mainstream wasn't the same.
You could apply this to some of the other music styles of the period especially rock bands like HIM, Placebo, the Darkness, the Vines and the Strokes but I mean it in terms of a big rock genre which happened to be nu-metal.
I think the first few records by korn(first 2), deftones (first 2), and incubus (first 3) is really really good stuff, the raw and funky sound as opposed to the more polished stuff was better in my opinion. I'm not a huge fan of the early 2000s phase, when it got really big, but there were still a lot of good and decent records nonetheless.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 19, 2020 23:21:07 GMT 10
I remember Jonathan Davis (the lead singer of Korn) actually stated in an interview I read only a few months ago about how he believes his band were the "last big movement" in rock. I can kind of understand the argument for it, however I still believe that the Seattle scene of the Early '90s was in fact the last new development in rock that truly took the cultural landscape by storm. The popularity of flannel shirts, various alt-rock styles (e.g emo, britpop), socially-conscious lyrics and the "slacker" look, for instance, all owe it to the Seattle sound's mainstream breakthrough towards the end of 1991. Nu-metal was definitely significant in its own right, but no rock sub-genre since has had the same level of influence or popularity that grunge experienced during the Early-Mid '90s. As for nu-metal itself, honestly, I have always had a bit of a soft spot for it as it was a genre that I was massively into when I was a kid. Linkin Park, Static-X and System of a Down were the three bands that I was a fan of. One of my favourite songs when I was 8 was a crappy (audio wise) demo recording of "Headstrong" by Trapt, which I discovered when my Mum and I were searching for Linkin Park songs on Limewire and that happened to be labelled as an LP song. Meteora was the very first album that I ever took a liking to; it came out only two weeks after my 4th birthday and because my Mum happened to be a fan of Linkin Park, she put the CD on when I was in the car quite often and I gradually grew to like it over time. Four-year-old me loved "Faint" in particular, lol. I also have memories of when songs such as "Behind Blue Eyes", "Word Up!", "Bring Me To Life", "Going Under" and "My Immortal" were hits during 2003/04. In a way, I was lucky enough to catch the tail-end of nu-metal as a 4/5 year old kid at the time, but I was definitely too young to remember it when it was at it's peak.
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Post by John Titor on May 20, 2020 8:12:17 GMT 10
What are your thoughts on this genre? and when were you first introduced to it? What I find interesting is it was among last rock movements or eras in a way. What I also mean by that is that it was the last rock era to have a big mainstream presence, to have heavy reliance on radio singles and creative and expensive music videos, where people were buying rock magazines and physical albums and being a unique music hybrid not a rehash of a older genre. I can't think of anything that was the same after 2004/2005 onwards. It seemed by then and after that early social media and Internet culture was more ubiquitous and traditional presence of rock within the mainstream wasn't the same. You could apply this to some of the other music styles of the period especially rock bands like HIM, Placebo, the Darkness, the Vines and the Strokes but I mean it in terms of a big rock genre which happened to be nu-metal. I think the first few records by korn(first 2), deftones (first 2), and incubus (first 3) is really really good stuff, the raw and funky sound as opposed to the more polished stuff was better in my opinion. I'm not a huge fan of the early 2000s phase, when it got really big, but there were still a lot of good and decent records nonetheless. around 98/99 when Limp Bizkit were blowing up, I thought it was a cool for a bit, fell the F off the place of the planet popularity wise by the time Evanescence first full album cycle ended . It seemed from 99 -2002/2003 you couldn't turn on MTV or MTV 2 without seeing some sort of nu metal video. Meterora was a cool album as well, Nu Metal was running on fumes it seemed at this point as Limp Bizkit's new 2003 album flopped. I mean u still saw some nu metal stuff but I lost interest and I noticed MTV was not playing it as much anymore either.
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Post by John Titor on May 20, 2020 8:14:34 GMT 10
I remember Jonathan Davis (the lead singer of Korn) actually stated in an interview I read only a few months ago about how he believes his band were the "last big movement" in rock. I can kind of understand the argument for it, however I still believe that the Seattle scene of the Early '90s was in fact the last new development in rock that truly took the cultural landscape by storm. The popularity of flannel shirts, various alt-rock styles (e.g emo, britpop), socially-conscious lyrics and the "slacker" look, for instance, all owe it to the Seattle sound's mainstream breakthrough towards the end of 1991. Nu-metal was definitely significant in its own right, but no rock sub-genre since has had the same level of influence or popularity that grunge experienced during the Early-Mid '90s. As for nu-metal itself, honestly, I have always had a bit of a soft spot for it as it was a genre that I was massively into when I was a kid. Linkin Park, Static-X and System of a Down were the three bands that I was a fan of. One of my favourite songs when I was 8 was a crappy (audio wise) demo recording of "Headstrong" by Trapt, which I discovered when my Mum and I were searching for Linkin Park songs on Limewire and that happened to be labelled as an LP song. Meteora was the very first album that I ever took a liking to; it came out only two weeks after my 4th birthday and because my Mum happened to be a fan of Linkin Park, she put the CD on when I was in the car quite often and I gradually grew to like it over time. Four-year-old me loved "Faint" in particular, lol. I also have memories of when songs such as "Behind Blue Eyes", "Word Up!", "Bring Me To Life", "Going Under" and "My Immortal" were hits during 2003/04. In a way, I was lucky enough to catch the tail-end of nu-metal as a 4/5 year old kid at the time, but I was definitely too young to remember it when it was at it's peak. I mean I think it's one of them, I think the very very very very last one was 2000s pop punk and how emo emerged from it. The whole Myspace mini era. I think that was the last big movement in rock.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 20, 2020 9:45:09 GMT 10
I mean I think it's one of them, I think the very very very very last one was 2000s pop punk and how emo emerged from it. The whole Myspace mini era. I think that was the last big movement in rock. Whether emo was 'big' or not is debatable. No doubt it was very influential and I would consider the scene to have been the last new movement in rock, but most people didn't dress in black or sported the emo swoop. It was more of a niche subculture among teens.
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Post by Telso on May 20, 2020 10:29:22 GMT 10
I don't think nu metal was the last rock movement considering it peaked very early on in the 2000s and preceded other mainstream rock movements like early 00s pop punk, the mid-00s indie rock explosion (garage rock revival and co.) and emo rock (an amalgamation of pop punk and alt rock).
And if we count underground music, the early 2010s were also home to an important emo revival scene ('emo' as in the original punk genre of the 90s).
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Post by jaydawg89 on May 20, 2020 11:11:58 GMT 10
I'm gonna say 2nd wave post-grunge was, it lasted all the way to 2010.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 20, 2020 11:24:51 GMT 10
I'm gonna say 2nd wave post-grunge was, it lasted all the way to 2010. Could it be said that it was the last "big" rock movement though? The genre was arguably at it's peak in popularity during the Early 2000s.
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Post by slashpop on May 20, 2020 20:28:11 GMT 10
I remember Jonathan Davis (the lead singer of Korn) actually stated in an interview I read only a few months ago about how he believes his band were the "last big movement" in rock. I can kind of understand the argument for it, however I still believe that the Seattle scene of the Early '90s was in fact the last new development in rock that truly took the cultural landscape by storm. The popularity of flannel shirts, various alt-rock styles (e.g emo, britpop), socially-conscious lyrics and the "slacker" look, for instance, all owe it to the Seattle sound's mainstream breakthrough towards the end of 1991. Nu-metal was definitely significant in its own right, but no rock sub-genre since has had the same level of influence or popularity that grunge experienced during the Early-Mid '90s. As for nu-metal itself, honestly, I have always had a bit of a soft spot for it as it was a genre that I was massively into when I was a kid. Linkin Park, Static-X and System of a Down were the three bands that I was a fan of. One of my favourite songs when I was 8 was a crappy (audio wise) demo recording of "Headstrong" by Trapt, which I discovered when my Mum and I were searching for Linkin Park songs on Limewire and that happened to be labelled as an LP song. Meteora was the very first album that I ever took a liking to; it came out only two weeks after my 4th birthday and because my Mum happened to be a fan of Linkin Park, she put the CD on when I was in the car quite often and I gradually grew to like it over time. Four-year-old me loved "Faint" in particular, lol. I also have memories of when songs such as "Behind Blue Eyes", "Word Up!", "Bring Me To Life", "Going Under" and "My Immortal" were hits during 2003/04. In a way, I was lucky enough to catch the tail-end of nu-metal as a 4/5 year old kid at the time, but I was definitely too young to remember it when it was at it's peak. Yeah I hear you. Grunge definitely had a bigger impact that lasted much longer and was more generation and era defining for sure. Interesting that Johnathan Davis said that. Nu metal definitely had the most mainstream cultural impact by 1999-2002 and sort of got really popular and more defined and mainstream in latter half of 1998. It definitely had an impact on youth culture at the time and was part of the vibe for better or for worse and definitely opened up the doors for people getting into heavier rock. By 2003 or 2004 I remember it losing its popularity and a lot of people were fed up with bands they perceived to be less genuine compared to what they were starting to get into which tended to be more traditional forms of heavy metal, early 2000's alternative and hardcore punk revival and post-hardcore. Around the 94 or 95-97 I would consider to be the most organic phase of nu metal : Korn, Deftones, Incubus, Powerman 5000, Coal Chamber and Sugar Ray (one of the earliest nu-metal bands before the hit song Fly ) were pretty popular as was rap/rock like 311, Rage Against the Machine and the Phunk Junkeez. Korn were on MTV's Headbangers Ball in 1996, and on a Playstation Sampler from 1995. Not everyone used the term nu metal but it definitely was a thing with a similar style. I remember first becoming aware of it around 1996-1997 but it was mostly a few bands and not really a movement, at least it didn't seem so but could have been. The nu-metal, like mainsteam pop punk from around the same time, was sort of coming after grunge movement, even though there are grunge influences in the early sound and grunge was still big in 1994-1996. Nu metal was mirroring where the alternative youth culture was heading circa 1995 even if it was predominately a grunge era: extreme sports/skateboarding and the style surrounding was starting to get big, hip hop influence and popularity was booming, and many genres were now hot, not just grunge (groove metal, funkcore, alternative metal, gangsta rap, etc) it was like an amalgamation of all of that in a way. But yeah early to mid 90s is when grunge was huge and had a proper impact. In terms of grunge influence, I would say it was already slowly creeping into the mainstream by late 1989 to mid 1991. In the sense that AIC and soundgarden had a few singles out,the iconic grunge film singles was actually filmed in early 1991 and released a year later. grunge adjacent or similar alt rock bands and musical genres were quite popular in the mainstream by then such as the pixies, REM, janes addiction, sonic youth and the stone roses and then you had shoegaze (swervedriver), grebo (pop will eat itself) also getting popular. You also some other underground alt rock, indie and noise rock bands with a similar style that were also from in the UK and Australia and all around from around 1986 onwards. Snub TV was program in the US that frequently covered alternative bands in 1987 to 1989 and for a while on the BBC around the same time. Here's a song from 1987 by pussy galore, they are more noise rock or pre or early grunge, that sounds very similar to smells like teen spirit that was on the SNUB program!
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Post by slashpop on May 20, 2020 20:56:51 GMT 10
I don't think nu metal was the last rock movement considering it peaked very early on in the 2000s and preceded other mainstream rock movements like early 00s pop punk, the mid-00s indie rock explosion (garage rock revival and co.) and emo rock (an amalgamation of pop punk and alt rock). And if we count underground music, the early 2010s were also home to an important emo revival scene ('emo' as in the original punk genre of the 90s). What I meant in the original post was more in the relation to how it was promoted, consumed and popular through a traditional model:MTV/radio/record sales/magazines/word of mouth and youth culture like glam metal, grunge and the rest in the 80s and 90s. I think Nu-metal was bigger than other rock genres in the Y2K and early 2000s period at one point and basically like pop for period. Indie rock explosion was kinda getting big in 2002-2003. I would personally lump into the early 2000s. But I as mentioned other rock definitely had it's place: 2000 to 2003/2004 alternative rock, indie revival, alt metal, pop punk, post brit pop, industrial, emo (before the 2005 myspace era), and rock/rap etc It's not to discredit other movements like the 2004-2007 emo along with metal and punk revival and scene bands etc, but they weren't popularized in the same way as the other mass rock movements and not of the same level of popularity and seemed more online based. I just meant in terms of traditional means of media and mass popularity.
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Post by slashpop on May 25, 2020 4:09:03 GMT 10
Although this is a bit off topic, its worth noting the difference between earlier wave of bands or sound compared to later ones. Sometimes I think they could be separate genres. Sure more examples could be used but this illustrates it.
Nu metal sort of got a bit watered down in the second phase for sure. Doesn't mean its better or worse. I think thats what kept it going or allowed to get bigger in a way.
Incubus - Take me to your leader 1996
Linkin Park - In the End 2001:
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 26, 2020 18:49:31 GMT 10
It happens with every genre inevitably. Once a genre reaches a saturation point, new artists/bands come along who either fuse the sound with something else, or water the sound down to the point where it doesn't sound remotely like it did when it first became popular. The earliest nu-metal hits from the mid-late '90s were generally more grunge-inspired than the songs that were released later on. If you listen to Korn's debut in particular, you can definitely hear the influence.
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Post by slashpop on May 27, 2020 6:07:24 GMT 10
It happens with every genre inevitably. Once a genre reaches a saturation point, new artists/bands come along who either fuse the sound with something else, or water the sound down to the point where it doesn't sound remotely like it did when it first became popular. The earliest nu-metal hits from the mid-late '90s were generally more grunge-inspired than the songs that were released later on. If you listen to Korn's debut in particular, you can definitely hear the influence. There definitely was a much stronger grunge influence. Yes that album in particular. The first wave tends also mixes groove metal, alternative and alt metal, funkcore and hip hop whether like just influence or rapping and sometimes hardcore. The later wave sometimes tends to add more electronica, post grunge, traditional metal, rapcore and while overlapping with the formula of the first wave ( downtuned, guitars, earrie and repetitive riffs, angsty vocals) etc but with more pop hooks and more polished production.
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