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Post by SharksFan99 on May 29, 2020 16:45:28 GMT 10
As an overall era, the years 2004-2006 seem to receive very little attention or appreciation from people online. I don't think I've ever seen one of those nostalgia "starter pack" pictures for things which were popular during the Mid 2000s, yet on the other hand, there's a countless number of ones based on popular trends from the Late 2000s/Early 2010s, such as electropop and Minecraft. You never see posts from those in their early teens saying that they were "born in the wrong generation" because they were too young to remember say, 2004 or 2006. In contrast, I've come across plenty of posts from people who express their dismay over the fact that they didn't get to experience the Early 2000s. It's strange.
I can understand it from the point of view that they didn't have a strong, coherent identity in the same vein that others era did. However, the Mid 2000s are very much removed from the world of today in a number of ways and the year 2005 is now fifteen years ago; so much has changed in the world since then. It can't even be said that they are still too recent for there to be any nostalgia for them, because like I alluded to in the previous paragraph, there already are nostalgia circles for the Late 2000s and Early 2010s as eras. People who were kids/teens during the Mid 2000s are now mostly in their 20s and early 30s. They're ripe for nostalgia.
I know that I've been critical of the Mid 2000s in the past, but I do think it's a shame that they've mostly been forgotten about. There is a lot to like about them as years. Where's the nostalgia posts for movies such as "Are We There Yet?", "Zathura" or "Chicken Little"? I loved those movies as a kid.
I'm just curious to hear people's reasons as to why they believe they is less nostalgia for the Mid 2000s in comparison to other eras. Could it also be an age thing? The Class of 2020 were 2-4 years old during the Mid 2000s and the youngest high school students weren't even born yet. It's possible, but with that being said, it doesn't excuse the fact that people around my age (or older) aren't the ones who are pushing for nostalgia of the era.
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Post by karlpalaka on May 29, 2020 17:17:25 GMT 10
Most of 2003 is also part of the mid 2000s. 2003-2006 was when primitive digital technology became mainstream in developed countries, and it was when the 90s lifestyle began to die out. Mid-late 2010s were very different from the mid 2000s with smart technology and social media becoming mainstream.
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Post by smartboi on May 29, 2020 18:34:13 GMT 10
I think the mid 2000's get a decent amount of love. What usually happens is people end up lumping 03 + 04 with the early 2000's and 05 + 06 with the late 2000's.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 29, 2020 19:25:55 GMT 10
I think the mid 2000's get a decent amount of love. What usually happens is people end up lumping 03 + 04 with the early 2000's and 05 + 06 with the late 2000's. I can see what you're saying, but even in that instance, you're far more likely to see something from 2008/09 listed as "late 2000s" than what you are to see something that was popular back in 2006. Even if you were to strictly focus on movies only, mid 2000s kids movies such as "Robots" and "Over the Hedge" are typically overlooked in favour of movies that were released later in the decade, like "WALL-E" or "Up!".
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Post by slashpop on May 29, 2020 20:05:55 GMT 10
Most of 2003 is also part of the mid 2000s. 2003-2006 was when primitive digital technology became mainstream in developed countries, and it was when the 90s lifestyle began to die out. Mid-late 2010s were very different from the mid 2000s with smart technology and social media becoming mainstream. n or appreciation from people online. I don't think I've ever seen one of those nostalgia "starter pack" pictures for things which were popular during the Mid 2000s, yet on the other Mid 2003 to around spring 2004 did not feel like like it was part of the mid 2000s which tends to refer to mid or late 2004 to early or mid 2007, at least to me and number of people at the time and in retrospect. It felt like like part of the tail end of the early 2000s that was slowly transitioning and gathering some degree of culture and style, here and there, that be would associated with the mid 2000s but was still essentially still early 2000s.
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Post by #Infinity on May 29, 2020 20:56:43 GMT 10
The major problem, as far as I'm concerned is that the entire mid-2000s almost always gets lumped into the rest of the early 2000s. I've frequently seen things from 2006 and especially 2005 and 2004 specifically labeled early 2000s. Most people seem not to think 2004-2006 were a whole lot different from the few years preceding them, and honestly they're kind of right. It was still the age of commercialized gangsta/southern rap, the pre-social media-dominated Internet, shows such as Malcolm in the Middle and The Sopranos, the GameCube/PlayStation 2/Original XBOX, the War on Terror, garage rock, early cell phones, luxury SUVs such as the Cadillac Escalade and Hummer H2, and teen pop-rock like Avril Lavigne, Ashlee Simpson, and Liz Phair's self-titled era. It blends together well enough that people instinctively treat it as a continuation of the early 2000s, rather than the bridge to the late 2000s.
The late 2006 and late 2008 shifts were simply more drastic than anything that happened in the few years before, what with an entire new video game generation kicking into gear, several new shows like 30 Rock and Heroes becoming hits, social media becoming mainstream, gangsta rap dying, electropop taking over, YouTube getting huge, the Great Recession happening, and smartphones or at least Blackberrys becoming popular. There was definitely a different feel to the late 2000s that causes it to stand out much more compared to the rest of the decade.
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Post by slashpop on May 29, 2020 21:54:32 GMT 10
As an overall era, the years 2004-2006 seem to receive very little attention or appreciation from people online. I don't think I've ever seen one of those nostalgia "starter pack" pictures for things which were popular during the Mid 2000s, yet on the other hand, there's a countless number of ones based on popular trends from the Late 2000s/Early 2010s, such as electropop and Minecraft. You never see posts from those in their early teens saying that they were "born in the wrong generation" because they were too young to remember say, 2004 or 2006. In contrast, I've come across plenty of posts from people who express their dismay over the fact that they didn't get to experience the Early 2000s. It's strange. I can understand it from the point of view that they didn't have a strong, coherent identity in the same vein that others era did. However, the Mid 2000s are very much removed from the world of today in a number of ways and the year 2005 is now fifteen years ago; so much has changed in the world since then. It can't even be said that they are still too recent for there to be any nostalgia for them, because like I alluded to in the previous paragraph, there already are nostalgia circles for the Late 2000s and Early 2010s as eras. People who were kids/teens during the Mid 2000s are now mostly in their 20s and early 30s. They're ripe for nostalgia. I know that I've been critical of the Mid 2000s in the past, but I do think it's a shame that they've mostly been forgotten about. There is a lot to like about them as years. Where's the nostalgia posts for movies such as "Are We There Yet?", "Zathura" or "Chicken Little"? I loved those movies as a kid. I'm just curious to hear people's reasons as to why they believe they is less nostalgia for the Mid 2000s in comparison to other eras. Could it also be an age thing? The Class of 2020 were 2-4 years old during the Mid 2000s and the youngest high school students weren't even born yet. It's possible, but with that being said, it doesn't excuse the fact that people around my age (or older) aren't the ones who are pushing for nostalgia of the era. Here a few reasons why it felt like a downgrade from the early 2000s: Music mostly felt hollow and vapid: A lot of songs, music videos and musical genres (dance, bling rap, r&b, pop, rock) around this time seem to come across as too simplified , gimmicky, flashy or pretentious and did not reflect the tunefulness, depth or intense creativity or boundary pushing that was present in the early 2000s and late 2000s. Rock felt centered around emo and metalcore and didn't feel like there was a proper subculture in the mainsteam at least after 2005, it seemed like myspace outside of emo and indie and related metalcore genres was all about rehashing or mixing 80s and 90s hardcore, post-punk, extreme underground metal music genres, which could be good or bad depending on how you see it, but there was never something entirely original or new for the era. Fashion felt materialistic, vain or too sporty or pretentious: I remember Von Dutch and Juicy Couture were massive and designer brands and the trend of wearing designer brands for the sake of it was big.They were worn a bit snobbishly and seemed to go along with a stuck up or beachy vibe, that was embodied in Paris Hilton and Kim Kardasian. Also horribly bleached and psuedo bellbottom jeans, which imo looked bad, were like the ONLY jeans you could mostly get and pseudo messy hair was huge. Pseudo messy hair wasn't just the Emo or earlier indie mop hair, but the trend of not cutting split ends, sometimes over dying the hair and cutting each side at random lengths while curled up or styled irregularly both in female and male and at different lenghts. To me this just looked sloppy and hair always looked like it was thinning or and lacked enough volume. Also the start of modern hipster looks and beards/facial hair was starting to become a thing around this time. Late 2000s seemed to be a bit more refined in a way and early 2000s still had more earthy colors and down to earth fashion. Video games weren't as exciting: Xbox 360 may have been great along with the start of the Wii, and other games for sure. However gaming just did not feel as exciting as the early 2000s or late 2000s, there also wasn't as much anticipation towards games, and it was not part of the videos golden age that extended to that period. There was also a lot of shovelware looking back. Lack of massive fads: I can't recall any exciting or super interesting pop culture defining fads like earlier ( sorry live strong bracelets were incredibly lame). Comic book geek culture seemed to get bigger around 07/2008 onwards. Early social media culture and Youtube wasn't that interesting: I remember the cruder aspects of early social media culture, there was a lot more juvenile and overly pretentious behavior before it became the norm where your parents and grandparents were on it and people were expected to act more decent even though it still has it fair share of issues with it being more frequent etc. It just wasn't that interesting to look back on and there weren't that many people using it. Again the MSN/AOL culture was better and felt more personal as did the period where social media became more professional and social. Randomly chatting with people in the mid 90s to the early 2000s could be more personal and interesting, also since there were smaller communities and less people, but in the mid 2000s it started to get more snarky and trolly for some reason, who knows why. Other than the AVGN, filthy frank and watching concerts and some music clips, youtube just wasn't that interesting back in 05-07 personally and felt like a lot of other sites around where amateur videos, pranks and crude humor in low resolution were what they mostly consisted of. Movies and series were meh with some exceptions Super hero franchise took off towards the end of this era, even though it was starting in 2002-2004, and also lot of the film styles we see today are kind of rooted in this era, but some movies are underrated from this period : Batman Begins, Sin City, Idocracy, Corpse Bride etc. also a lot of great documentaries. Comedy Central had some good stuff like Chapelle Show, Robot Chicken, quality stand up and South Park was going strong but then shows like my Name is Earl, My Wife and Kids, American Idol and endless reality tv and series made it feel like a downgrade from the early 2000s and late 2000s/early 2010s and was the first time cable felt so bland and almost dead imo. People were less open minded maybe even more than the early 2000s: A lot of jock, preppy and wannabe suburban rapper culture from the earlier 2000s sort of multiplied with sexist, racist, judgemental, bigoted and homophobic attitudes that still lingered. There was still a lot of pro-bush conservatism, even though this is when there was a counter movement at the same time, and a lot of hostility towards foreigners of any kind (Mexican, Middle Eastern, Italian etc ) and people would often say stuff under the guise of hey it's just a politically incorrect joke or show hostility in other ways . There was a lot of open reverse racism as well. There wasn't as much collective shame or awareness regarding this that was more common at different periods. If you were a guy with rocker looks, a mohawk or a nerdy type you were likely to be called the f word, or a derogatory comment if you walked in a certain section of a college campus or even in the middle of the street at some point. I think this would apply to some degree to LGBT groups. Also anything that deviated from the norm, whether it was sport, hobby or trivial opinion was intensely mocked if it didn't conform to the alpha male or female cool club standards of the mid 2000s. Again it wasn't all bad, it was a period just like any other, and if you had your own little thing going on it didn't matter that much but this is what I remember.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 29, 2020 22:07:42 GMT 10
The major problem, as far as I'm concerned is that the entire mid-2000s almost always gets lumped into the rest of the early 2000s. I've frequently seen things from 2006 and especially 2005 and 2004 specifically labeled early 2000s. Most people seem not to think 2004-2006 were a whole lot different from the few years preceding them, and honestly they're kind of right. It was still the age of commercialized gangsta/southern rap, the pre-social media-dominated Internet, shows such as Malcolm in the Middle and The Sopranos, the GameCube/PlayStation 2/Original XBOX, the War on Terror, garage rock, early cell phones, luxury SUVs such as the Cadillac Escalade and Hummer H2, and teen pop-rock like Avril Lavigne, Ashlee Simpson, and Liz Phair's self-titled era. It blends together well enough that people instinctively treat it as a continuation of the early 2000s, rather than the bridge to the late 2000s. The late 2006 and late 2008 shifts were simply more drastic than anything that happened in the few years before, what with an entire new video game generation kicking into gear, several new shows like 30 Rock and Heroes becoming hits, social media becoming mainstream, gangsta rap dying, electropop taking over, YouTube getting huge, the Great Recession happening, and smartphones or at least Blackberrys becoming popular. There was definitely a different feel to the late 2000s that causes it to stand out much more compared to the rest of the decade. I think it would be interesting to know what the ages are of those who choose to lump 2004-2006 in with the Early 2000s. Is it the people who were actually old enough to experience the first-half of the 2000s as kids/teens, or those who were just being born around that time? You'd think that the people old enough to remember them well would know that the pop culture of 2001, for instance, was noticeably different to what was popular during 2005, despite there being similarities also. I mean, I do definitely see the similarities between the early 2000s and the mid 2000s as a whole. Even pop-punk was still popular during 2004 and 2005, thanks to bands like Simple Plan and Good Charlotte. However, it's not like it can be said that there are no two eras which are 100% different from each other in every way possible. I suppose we've got to consider the fact that we're looking at this from a pop culture perspective, not the way in which the general population would probably see things. It still doesn't make much sense to me though. To me, if the Mid 2000s were comparable to any era, it was the Late 2000s IMO. I generally see the period from about the release of American Idiot to the inauguration of Barack Obama as one era from a big picture perspective, give or take a year. Maybe it's simply because my childhood was during those years, but in essence, with the only possible exception of 2009 (due to Obama's inauguration, electropop etc.), the two eras generally fit together like a glove. They were essentially the pre-smartphone, Myspace emo scene era. That's why it surprises me that we don't see more recognition for the trends that were popular between 2004-2006, because the trends that were popular during that time would be somewhat relatable to the teens who are expressing nostalgia for the later part of the 2000s.
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Post by John Titor on May 30, 2020 1:30:23 GMT 10
@sharksfan99
I think the mid 2000s get lots of love, it's just that people online do not know what labels are to eras and call it early 2000s.
Here are some things about the mid 2000s people DEF are nostalgic for.
EMO (emo Nite, Emo rap, etc etc)
Myspace
Mean Girls, there is a damn broadway play based on the movie now
The OC & Laguna Beach
Southern Rap
MTV TRL - still popular in the mid 2000s
106 & Park - peaked in 2005
CN City era of Cartoon Network
Drake & Josh
White Chicks
Mid 2000s MTV reality shows - theres tons of websites on it
Fairly OddParents
the thing is most of the mid 2000s things continued in the the late 2000s in some form or fashion
TRL lasted until 2008
106 & Park until 2014
The OC until 2007
Laguna Beach ( as the Hills) until 2010
Myspace until late 2009 early 2010
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Post by Telso on May 30, 2020 1:34:42 GMT 10
I don't think they're particularly overlooked at all. They just get frequently lumped in with the early 2000s as said prior, making them have less of a chance to stand out as their own. For example mid-00s flip phones are an iconic on their own, yet I always hear people say "these kinds of phones [usually it's the Motorola Razr] we had back in the early 2000s".
The late 2000s in comparison are much overlooked in my opinion. I remember that 2007's tenth anniversary was a big deal back in 2017, with many articles, lists and videos celebrating it. Yet 2009 and especially 2008 didn't get this same attention. 2009 kind of had this "2009 vs 2019" trend on social media for a while for some reason, but otherwise nothing much noteworthy.
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Post by mc98 on May 30, 2020 1:47:38 GMT 10
The mid 2000s are often lumped with the early 2000s and I do get it. A lot of trends from the early 2000s have continued throughout the mid-2000s. The 2000s in general was a consistent decade, particularly in the 2001-2008 period.
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Post by John Titor on May 30, 2020 2:16:25 GMT 10
The mid 2000s are often lumped with the early 2000s and I do get it. A lot of trends from the early 2000s have continued throughout the mid-2000s. The 2000s in general was a consistent decade, particularly in the 2001-2008 period. people aren't that fluent in decadeology thats why, heck people were calling the mid 2000s The 90s at one point last decade because anything old has to be 90s. I have seen Bustle articles label 2006 and 2007 as early 2000s. Some people do not have a clue.
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Post by slashpop on May 30, 2020 3:02:43 GMT 10
The mid 2000s are often lumped with the early 2000s and I do get it. A lot of trends from the early 2000s have continued throughout the mid-2000s. The 2000s in general was a consistent decade, particularly in the 2001-2008 period. people aren't that fluent in decadeology thats why, heck people were calling the mid 2000s The 90s at one point last decade because anything old has to be 90s. I have seen Bustle articles label 2006 and 2007 as early 2000s. Some people do not have a clue. Yeah I agree a lot of articles can be really off. It shares some similarities with both the early and late 2000s. I might not be a fan, I know some others arent as well but it definitely was a distinct period regardless imo But I can see what others mean regarding similarities though. It probably will get proper nostalgia later on but we still need need to have gone through prior eras for a while before serious nostagia starts in more mainstream way. Also I’m not sure how strong it would be because the trends don’t seem to garner as much interest as other eras.
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Post by John Titor on May 30, 2020 5:15:21 GMT 10
The major problem, as far as I'm concerned is that the entire mid-2000s almost always gets lumped into the rest of the early 2000s. I've frequently seen things from 2006 and especially 2005 and 2004 specifically labeled early 2000s. Most people seem not to think 2004-2006 were a whole lot different from the few years preceding them, and honestly they're kind of right. It was still the age of commercialized gangsta/southern rap, the pre-social media-dominated Internet, shows such as Malcolm in the Middle and The Sopranos, the GameCube/PlayStation 2/Original XBOX, the War on Terror, garage rock, early cell phones, luxury SUVs such as the Cadillac Escalade and Hummer H2, and teen pop-rock like Avril Lavigne, Ashlee Simpson, and Liz Phair's self-titled era. It blends together well enough that people instinctively treat it as a continuation of the early 2000s, rather than the bridge to the late 2000s. The late 2006 and late 2008 shifts were simply more drastic than anything that happened in the few years before, what with an entire new video game generation kicking into gear, several new shows like 30 Rock and Heroes becoming hits, social media becoming mainstream, gangsta rap dying, electropop taking over, YouTube getting huge, the Great Recession happening, and smartphones or at least Blackberrys becoming popular. There was definitely a different feel to the late 2000s that causes it to stand out much more compared to the rest of the decade. def, the late 2000s have a heavy digital feel ,even shows like I carly they have like digital effects and computers in the intro, like everything wanted to be HD and Digital or look like a computer/smartphone
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Post by karlpalaka on May 30, 2020 14:56:21 GMT 10
I think the mid 2000's get a decent amount of love. What usually happens is people end up lumping 03 + 04 with the early 2000's and 05 + 06 with the late 2000's. Well if we are not considering mid 2000s as a category, 2000-2004 would be early 2000s and 2005-2009 would be late 2000s. It also splits the 2000s into two perfectly even halves.
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