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Post by karlpalaka on May 30, 2020 14:57:53 GMT 10
Most of 2003 is also part of the mid 2000s. 2003-2006 was when primitive digital technology became mainstream in developed countries, and it was when the 90s lifestyle began to die out. Mid-late 2010s were very different from the mid 2000s with smart technology and social media becoming mainstream. n or appreciation from people online. I don't think I've ever seen one of those nostalgia "starter pack" pictures for things which were popular during the Mid 2000s, yet on the other Mid 2003 to around spring 2004 did not feel like like it was part of the mid 2000s which tends to refer to mid or late 2004 to early or mid 2007, at least to me and number of people at the time and in retrospect. It felt like like part of the tail end of the early 2000s that was slowly transitioning and gathering some degree of culture and style, here and there, that be would associated with the mid 2000s but was still essentially still early 2000s. I can agree the lifestyle until 2004 was not different from the early 2000s, but I am referring to the timeframe when dividing the decade into three equal parts.
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Post by karlpalaka on May 30, 2020 15:00:35 GMT 10
The mid 2000s began on May 1, 2003, but that does not mean the lifestyle suddenly changed overnight between 11:59 PM on April 30, 2003 and on midnight of May 1, 2003. Just like how the 2000s ended on December 31, 2009, January 1, 2010 was pretty much the same as December 31, 2009. 2010 and most of 2011 was like the late 2000s.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 30, 2020 20:21:28 GMT 10
I don't think they're particularly overlooked at all. They just get frequently lumped in with the early 2000s as said prior, making them have less of a chance to stand out as their own. For example mid-00s flip phones are an iconic on their own, yet I always hear people say "these kinds of phones [usually it's the Motorola Razr] we had back in the early 2000s". The late 2000s in comparison are much overlooked in my opinion. I remember that 2007's tenth anniversary was a big deal back in 2017, with many articles, lists and videos celebrating it. Yet 2009 and especially 2008 didn't get this same attention. 2009 kind of had this "2009 vs 2019" trend on social media for a while for some reason, but otherwise nothing much noteworthy. See, I actually believe the opposite is true about the Late 2000s. I've come across plenty of Late '00s nostalgia posts from people on sites like Reddit and because the electropop era had it's beginnings during the era, I've seen a lot of younger people especially name-check popular songs from 2008/09 such as "Gives You Hell", "Poker Face" etc.. Here are some examples: www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/ekl23p/acutal_late_2000s_kid_starterpack/https://www.reddit.com/r/starterpacks/comments/ghb3co/random_images_from_childhood_in_the_late_2000s/ www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/eqfr2m/anyone_nostalgic_for_the_late_2000searly_2010s/https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/gitows/im_sick_of_late_2000searly_2010s_nostalgia/ In contrast, if you search for the "Mid 2000s" on Reddit, almost nothing of that nature comes up at all. It's as if the "nostalgia wave" has skipped a generation of people. I don't think I've ever seen anyone online express any fondness for kids movies from 2005/06 like "Monster House", "Hoodwinked!" or "Open Season". Even something like "Crazy Frog" doesn't get lumped in with trends from the Early 2000s. It's as if half the shows/movies I grew up liking as a kid have long since been forgotten about, which is crazy to me seeing as how the Mid 2000s were only 14-16 years ago.
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Post by slashpop on May 30, 2020 21:32:25 GMT 10
I don't think they're particularly overlooked at all. They just get frequently lumped in with the early 2000s as said prior, making them have less of a chance to stand out as their own. For example mid-00s flip phones are an iconic on their own, yet I always hear people say "these kinds of phones [usually it's the Motorola Razr] we had back in the early 2000s". The late 2000s in comparison are much overlooked in my opinion. I remember that 2007's tenth anniversary was a big deal back in 2017, with many articles, lists and videos celebrating it. Yet 2009 and especially 2008 didn't get this same attention. 2009 kind of had this "2009 vs 2019" trend on social media for a while for some reason, but otherwise nothing much noteworthy. See, I actually believe the opposite is true about the Late 2000s. I've come across plenty of Late '00s nostalgia posts from people on sites like Reddit and because the electropop era had it's beginnings during the era, I've seen a lot of younger people especially name-check popular songs from 2008/09 such as "Gives You Hell", "Poker Face" etc.. Here are some examples: www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/ekl23p/acutal_late_2000s_kid_starterpack/https://www.reddit.com/r/starterpacks/comments/ghb3co/random_images_from_childhood_in_the_late_2000s/ www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/eqfr2m/anyone_nostalgic_for_the_late_2000searly_2010s/https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/gitows/im_sick_of_late_2000searly_2010s_nostalgia/ In contrast, if you search for the "Mid 2000s" on Reddit, almost nothing of that nature comes up at all. It's as if the "nostalgia wave" has skipped a generation of people. I don't think I've ever seen anyone online express any fondness for kids movies from 2005/06 like "Monster House", "Hoodwinked!" or "Open Season". Even something like "Crazy Frog" doesn't get lumped in with trends from the Early 2000s. It's as if half the shows/movies I grew up liking as a kid have long since been forgotten about, which is crazy to me seeing as how the Mid 2000s were only 14-16 years ago. I tried to provide some points since you asked, why it was so. Another thing is that a lot of things are still somewhat connected or loosely connected to that era and I'm not sure late 2000s and early 2010s nostalgia is in full swing, it just has more memorable aspects.Unfortunately whether you love the era or not, there were things outside of kid culture that weren't as interesting or positive as other eras. Also, I remember in 1999-2001 only a few friends and I were into late 80s and early 90s nostalgia, some people found it very weird that I was into playing the nes and collecting tmnt because there wasn't enough of a concept of that period being retro enough or interesting nostalgia with many people yet, even though it was starting around that period, where there was a 10-15 year difference, it took until the late 2000s for it to be in full swing.. 04/2005-2007 gets even more dated, possibly in the next 3 to 10 years or so, the mid 00s might not be as dismissed, who knows.
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Post by Telso on May 30, 2020 21:51:13 GMT 10
. I don't think I've ever seen anyone online express any fondness for kids movies from 2005/06 like "Monster House", "Hoodwinked!" or "Open Season". Even something like "Crazy Frog" doesn't get lumped in with trends from the Early 2000s. It's as if half the shows/movies I grew up liking as a kid have long since been forgotten about, which is crazy to me seeing as how the Mid 2000s were only 14-16 years ago. I just think it's just a question you're searching at the wrong places. There's plenty of nostalgia for the mid-00s throughout the internet, particularly on YouTube where the kids of back then (now in their twenties) are making videos about it. I've seen nostalgia for 2017 on Reddit lately too, that particular site pretty much has nostalgia for every era in existence. I won't be surprised that we'll see "things we did during the quarantine" posts in two years.
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Post by mc98 on May 31, 2020 3:27:07 GMT 10
I can't believe there's nostalgia already for 2017. Tbh, years that are 3 years away have noticable difference from the current year.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 31, 2020 12:43:52 GMT 10
. I don't think I've ever seen anyone online express any fondness for kids movies from 2005/06 like "Monster House", "Hoodwinked!" or "Open Season". Even something like "Crazy Frog" doesn't get lumped in with trends from the Early 2000s. It's as if half the shows/movies I grew up liking as a kid have long since been forgotten about, which is crazy to me seeing as how the Mid 2000s were only 14-16 years ago. I just think it's just a question you're searching at the wrong places. There's plenty of nostalgia for the mid-00s throughout the internet, particularly on YouTube where the kids of back then (now in their twenties) are making videos about it. I've seen nostalgia for 2017 on Reddit lately too, that particular site pretty much has nostalgia for every era in existence. I won't be surprised that we'll see "things we did during the quarantine" posts in two years. I don't see it, I wouldn't have created this topic if I had only been looking at the one site. I'm not daft. I've searched up "mid 2000s nostalgia" on YouTube and the first thing that comes up is a video about "late 2000s/early 2010s nostalgia". If mid 2000s nostalgia is as popular on YouTube as what you're claiming it is, then shouldn't a mid 2000s-related video be one of the first videos to appear in the search results?
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Post by #Infinity on May 31, 2020 15:03:35 GMT 10
In contrast, if you search for the "Mid 2000s" on Reddit, almost nothing of that nature comes up at all. It's as if the "nostalgia wave" has skipped a generation of people. I don't think I've ever seen anyone online express any fondness for kids movies from 2005/06 like "Monster House", "Hoodwinked!" or "Open Season". Even something like "Crazy Frog" doesn't get lumped in with trends from the Early 2000s. It's as if half the shows/movies I grew up liking as a kid have long since been forgotten about, which is crazy to me seeing as how the Mid 2000s were only 14-16 years ago. Truth is, most people in general will tell you that those movies are not particularly good. There are still a fair number of people who remember Madagascar and The Incredibles, and of course the Cars franchise shaped millions of Gen Z boys' childhoods, but for the most part, the mid-2000s were not considered a great time for animated movies. Even Disney was considered to have been at its absolute nadir with the back-to-back releases of Home on the Range and Chicken Little. "Crazy Frog" is also considered a horribly regrettable fad of the past and isn't nostalgic to most people the way emo or MySpace are. There are plenty of things from the mid-2000s that people like to reminisce over, but the examples you list here aren't the first that would spring to people's minds. As for TV shows, it seems to me like Naruto, Danny Phantom, and especially Avatar: The Last Airbender are fondly remembered parts of mid-2000s childhoods.
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Post by SharksFan99 on May 31, 2020 16:05:45 GMT 10
Truth is, most people in general will tell you that those movies are not particularly good. There are still a fair number of people who remember Madagascar and The Incredibles, and of course the Cars franchise shaped millions of Gen Z boys' childhoods, but for the most part, the mid-2000s were not considered a great time for animated movies. Even Disney was considered to have been at its absolute nadir with the back-to-back releases of Home on the Range and Chicken Little. "Crazy Frog" is also considered a horribly regrettable fad of the past and isn't nostalgic to most people the way emo or MySpace are. There are plenty of things from the mid-2000s that people like to reminisce over, but the examples you list here aren't the first that would spring to people's minds. As for TV shows, it seems to me like Naruto, Danny Phantom, and especially Avatar: The Last Airbender are fondly remembered parts of mid-2000s childhoods. Well that depends. Kids aren't exactly known for being the biggest critiques of new releases, and an adult's judgement of a movie is going to be totally different to what a kid thinks about the movie. If you asked a twenty-something year old now if they are fond/nostalgic for certain kids movies from the Mid 2000s, chances are, many of them will say they are because they liked the movies as kids. Ask a middle-aged adult that same question and you're going to receive a completely different answer. A kids movie doesn't have to be a masterpiece or have a particularly compelling storyline for it to be enjoyable to kids. Kids can laugh over a character in a movie making a pooping sound or a funny noise. I don't think the matter of how "good" a kids movie is, really applies when specifically referring to the lasting impression that these movies leave on the people who grew up with them. The 1970s are also considered to be a mediocre time for American animation overall. Does that mean that the kids of the '70s will not have any fondness/nostalgia for the movies they grew up with when they were little? Of course not. It's generally not the kids themselves who are claiming that these movies aren't "particularly good", its adults who are not perceiving these movies through 'rose-tinted glasses'. They're not bias towards them because they didn't grow up with them. The movies I gave as examples earlier aren't exactly left of field either. Chicken Little was the second highest-grossing animated film of 2005 and grossed over $314 million at the box office worldwide. It was massively popular when it came out. Sure there's movies from people's childhoods that are naturally forgotten about over time, but why is it that kids movies from the other two '00s eras are more likely to receive recognition than many of the ones that were released between 2004-2006? The fact of the matter is, people still grew up with the movies from the Mid 2000s, as good or as bad as they may be. There really shouldn't be any less recognition for them on that basis alone, especially when you consider the fact that the Late 2000s and Early 2010s are now starting to be reappraised by younger people.
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Post by #Infinity on May 31, 2020 19:34:42 GMT 10
The movies I gave as examples earlier aren't exactly left of field either. Chicken Little was the second highest-grossing animated film of 2005 and grossed over $314 million at the box office worldwide. It was massively popular when it came out. Sure there's movies from people's childhoods that are naturally forgotten about over time, but why is it that kids movies from the other two '00s eras are more likely to receive recognition than many of the ones that were released between 2004-2006? The fact of the matter is, people still grew up with the movies from the Mid 2000s, as good or as bad as they may be. There really shouldn't be any less recognition for them on that basis alone, especially when you consider the fact that the Late 2000s and Early 2010s are now starting to be reappraised by younger people. I'll be quite frank, I feel exactly the same with regards to animated movies from the late '90s compared to the early '90s, certainly with regards to Disney. Even though the Disney Renaissance lasted until the end of the decade, it feels like 90% of all praise and reference I see is for The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King. Hercules, released in 1997, was one of the definitive films of my childhood and I found so much memorable about it, having been going on 5 when it came out. Yet, I hardly see it brought up; it's characters feel like they aren't staples of millennial childhoods the way the characters from 1989-1994 Disney films are. I don't consider the "peak" of the Disney Renaissance any better than the rest of the era, even though The Little Mermaid is a contender for my favorite animated Disney movie. I'm glad that Mulan at least has endured in people's minds (I guess because of its resonant feminist message), but I always felt Hercules was puzzlingly absent from conversations despite its impact on me. It's possible the reason fewer people remember certain childhood products is that they didn't have enduring merchandise empires. Even though Chicken Little was a box office success, it never had the potential to sell nearly as many toys as the Disney Princess or Cars lines, and its bad reception certainly didn't leave anybody clamoring for a sequel aside from little kids. You need to appeal to a wide audience to leave a truly lasting impact, and things that fail to have that reach get dumped from public consciousness.
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Post by slashpop on May 31, 2020 21:27:03 GMT 10
Infinity, what do you make of the idea that nostalgia moves in cycles and that it may just be a matter of enough time passing before some parts of the mid 2000s come back ? This could also possibly be after people grow tired of when the late 90s/Y2K era becomes the focus point of influence in multiple ways; fashion, music, films etc
Do you think that at that point certain aspects of the mid 2000s that are not currently memorable or just did not create a lasting impact can be revitalized and become more interesting again ? Or is that not enough.
I personally am not sure. I know 70s nostagia in the 90s did not come across, in certain ways, as having the intensity and longevity that 80s and early 90s nostagia did during the last decade, but it’s hard to tell.
Wanted to hear your take.
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Post by #Infinity on May 31, 2020 21:50:18 GMT 10
Infinity, what do you make of the idea that nostalgia moves in cycles and that it may just be a matter of enough time passing before some parts of the mid 2000s come back ? This could also possibly be after people grow tired of when the late 90s/Y2K era becomes the focus point of influence in multiple ways; fashion, music, films etc Do you think that at that point certain aspects of the mid 2000s that are not currently memorable or just did not create a lasting impact can be revitalized and become more interesting again ? Or is that not enough. I personally am not sure. I know 70s nostagia in the 90s did not come across, in certain ways, as having the intensity and longevity that 80s and early 90s nostagia did during the last decade, but it’s hard to tell. Wanted to hear your take. A large part of it is the infamous '90s kid attitude, which has bullied mid-2000s kid culture into seeming inferior to the social media generation. People pushing the nostalgia seem to lean more on '90s trends largely because of this. It's worth noting that some nostalgic aspects of culture tend to not get nearly as big a nostalgia bump as others. Teen pop singers from the late '80s, such as Paula Abdul, Debbie Gibson, and New Kids on the Block, have barely made any nostalgic comeback whatsoever, with the notable exception of Rick Astley, and that was just because of a fluke meme. Even Bobby Brown is barely remembered for his music as opposed to his tabloid stories. For some reason though, it feels like everybody still remembers Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer, I guess because they were part of the '90s? It's possible the issue is just that the late '80s pop isn't memorable one way or another, aside from Milli Vanilli being the poster children of musical fraud. Similarly, a lot of movies and TV shows aimed at kids from the mid-2000s were more run-of-the-mill or took fewer chances, and weren't memorably wacky or anything.
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Post by slashpop on May 31, 2020 22:37:41 GMT 10
Infinity, what do you make of the idea that nostalgia moves in cycles and that it may just be a matter of enough time passing before some parts of the mid 2000s come back ? This could also possibly be after people grow tired of when the late 90s/Y2K era becomes the focus point of influence in multiple ways; fashion, music, films etc Do you think that at that point certain aspects of the mid 2000s that are not currently memorable or just did not create a lasting impact can be revitalized and become more interesting again ? Or is that not enough. I personally am not sure. I know 70s nostagia in the 90s did not come across, in certain ways, as having the intensity and longevity that 80s and early 90s nostagia did during the last decade, but it’s hard to tell. Wanted to hear your take. A large part of it is the infamous '90s kid attitude, which has bullied mid-2000s kid culture into seeming inferior to the social media generation. People pushing the nostalgia seem to lean more on '90s trends largely because of this. It's worth noting that some nostalgic aspects of culture tend to not get nearly as big a nostalgia bump as others. Teen pop singers from the late '80s, such as Paula Abdul, Debbie Gibson, and New Kids on the Block, have barely made any nostalgic comeback whatsoever, with the notable exception of Rick Astley, and that was just because of a fluke meme. Even Bobby Brown is barely remembered for his music as opposed to his tabloid stories. For some reason though, it feels like everybody still remembers Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer, I guess because they were part of the '90s? It's possible the issue is just that the late '80s pop isn't memorable one way or another, aside from Milli Vanilli being the poster children of musical fraud. Similarly, a lot of movies and TV shows aimed at kids from the mid-2000s were more run-of-the-mill or took fewer chances, and weren't memorably wacky or anything. It makes a lot of sense. I think part of the problem is that millennials, early and late X/Yers included, are also pushing this in real life as well And have been for a while. Sometimes it’s almost a bit cultish. Whether it is design, film, social media influence, fanboyism, geek culture. Tbh , even though I’m on board with most of it, I think other eras or less mainstream things sometimes have things to offer. But for sure unredeemable, dated or stale trends or music just can’t garner more attention regardless of the era. Unfortunately the mid 2000s and other periods do suffer and some have more things that were better or stand the test of time than others. On the other hand I still feel like we still loosely connected to mid 2000s world. Part of the allure and nostagia is how we are disconnected in many ways to the 90s, 80s, and Y2K era. I think once there are more shifts to create even more distance from the mid 2000s is when that when at least some of it might be possibly more interesting. Ex maybe looking back at Beginnings of Web 2.0 or flashy 2000s fashion is very meh or cringe now but might change at some point. I find it pretty cool that cassette tapes, vhs movies were still around in stores even if they were at a low point, rock music had a stronger presence than today, and technology wasn’t running all of our lives back then.
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Post by John Titor on Jun 1, 2020 2:13:55 GMT 10
Truth is, most people in general will tell you that those movies are not particularly good. There are still a fair number of people who remember Madagascar and The Incredibles, and of course the Cars franchise shaped millions of Gen Z boys' childhoods, but for the most part, the mid-2000s were not considered a great time for animated movies. Even Disney was considered to have been at its absolute nadir with the back-to-back releases of Home on the Range and Chicken Little. "Crazy Frog" is also considered a horribly regrettable fad of the past and isn't nostalgic to most people the way emo or MySpace are. There are plenty of things from the mid-2000s that people like to reminisce over, but the examples you list here aren't the first that would spring to people's minds. As for TV shows, it seems to me like Naruto, Danny Phantom, and especially Avatar: The Last Airbender are fondly remembered parts of mid-2000s childhoods. Well that depends. Kids aren't exactly known for being the biggest critiques of new releases, and an adult's judgement of a movie is going to be totally different to what a kid thinks about the movie. If you asked a twenty-something year old now if they are fond/nostalgic for certain kids movies from the Mid 2000s, chances are, many of them will say they are because they liked the movies as kids. Ask a middle-aged adult that same question and you're going to receive a completely different answer. A kids movie doesn't have to be a masterpiece or have a particularly compelling storyline for it to be enjoyable to kids. Kids can laugh over a character in a movie making a pooping sound or a funny noise. I don't think the matter of how "good" a kids movie is, really applies when specifically referring to the lasting impression that these movies leave on the people who grew up with them. The 1970s are also considered to be a mediocre time for American animation overall. Does that mean that the kids of the '70s will not have any fondness/nostalgia for the movies they grew up with when they were little? Of course not. It's generally not the kids themselves who are claiming that these movies aren't "particularly good", its adults who are not perceiving these movies through 'rose-tinted glasses'. They're not bias towards them because they didn't grow up with them. The movies I gave as examples earlier aren't exactly left of field either. Chicken Little was the second highest-grossing animated film of 2005 and grossed over $314 million at the box office worldwide. It was massively popular when it came out. Sure there's movies from people's childhoods that are naturally forgotten about over time, but why is it that kids movies from the other two '00s eras are more likely to receive recognition than many of the ones that were released between 2004-2006? The fact of the matter is, people still grew up with the movies from the Mid 2000s, as good or as bad as they may be. There really shouldn't be any less recognition for them on that basis alone, especially when you consider the fact that the Late 2000s and Early 2010s are now starting to be reappraised by younger people. a lot of this attributed to the mid 2000s being teenager focused and not kid focused, as late 2000s was more kid focused. Also the fact that early 2000s keeps getting lumped in with anything. So anything old in the 2000s is called early 2000s. The kid focused parts of the mid 2000s were rather bland compared to how ALL IN they were in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Disney for the most part was dying in the mid 2000s until 2006 when Disney Channel rebranded and Pixar starting getting their shit together. The heavy culture of mid 2000s was emo and myspace (which were 13 - 18) focused, where a decade like the 90s where I was a kid had something for everyone. While you had grunge and depressed teen targeted pop culture you also had powerhouses like Power Rangers, Lion King, Toy Story, Rocko's modern life, FOX KIDs, Kids WB etc etc etc. The influence was equal for both kids and teens in the 90s ( I would say leaning even more kid friendly in the late 90s) I watched some kid culture shows in the mid 2000s, I watched some Jetix, some Disney Channel, some Nick and it didn't seem to hit as hard as the 90s kid culture, even the promotion for it seemed a little half assed at the time. The only kid friendly aspect of the 2000s I felt went all in was Cartoon Network's Toonami & WB's Pokemon, which were juggernauts. But once again that was a result of the late 90s leaning more towards Gen Y.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jun 1, 2020 23:21:43 GMT 10
I tried to provide some points since you asked, why it was so. Another thing is that a lot of things are still somewhat connected or loosely connected to that era and I'm not sure late 2000s and early 2010s nostalgia is in full swing, it just has more memorable aspects.Unfortunately whether you love the era or not, there were things outside of kid culture that weren't as interesting or positive as other eras. Also, I remember in 1999-2001 only a few friends and I were into late 80s and early 90s nostalgia, some people found it very weird that I was into playing the nes and collecting tmnt because there wasn't enough of a concept of that period being retro enough or interesting nostalgia with many people yet, even though it was starting around that period, where there was a 10-15 year difference, it took until the late 2000s for it to be in full swing.. 04/2005-2007 gets even more dated, possibly in the next 3 to 10 years or so, the mid 00s might not be as dismissed, who knows. That's true. I know it's all subjective over what is and what isn't memorable at the end of the day, but seeing as how those of us who grew up as kids during the era are now mostly in our early-mid 20s, it is interesting that we're not already seeing a reappraisal of shows/movies that were released during the era. Maybe in time more nostalgia will grow for some of the more obscure things from that time. a lot of this attributed to the mid 2000s being teenager focused and not kid focused, as late 2000s was more kid focused. Also the fact that early 2000s keeps getting lumped in with anything. So anything old in the 2000s is called early 2000s. The kid focused parts of the mid 2000s were rather bland compared to how ALL IN they were in the late 2000s and early 2010s. Disney for the most part was dying in the mid 2000s until 2006 when Disney Channel rebranded and Pixar starting getting their shit together. I would consider 2007 and 2008 to be more or less the same as the Mid 2000s in regards to kid-focused culture. The shows that I was personally watching as an 8/9 year old kid in 2007/2008 were essentially the same as the ones that I had been watching just a few years earlier, such as "Jimmy Neutron", "Ned's Declassified", "The Grim Adventures of Bill & Mandy" etc. Shows like "Danny Phantom", "Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends" and "Avatar: The Last Airbender" were some of the most popular kids shows during both eras.
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