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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 21:18:50 GMT 10
www.axios.com/china-hong-kong-law-global-activism-ff1ea6d1-0589-4a71-a462-eda5bea3f78f.html"It literally applies to every single person on the planet. This is how it reads," said Wang Minyao, a Chinese-American lawyer based in New York. "If I appear at a congressional committee in D.C. and say something critical, that literally would be a violation of this law." This means that anyone advocating democracy in Hong Kong, or criticizing the governments in Hong Kong or Beijing, could potentially face consequences if they step foot in Hong Kong, or have assets or family members in Hong Kong. So basically, if you tweet something unkind about China while sitting in North Carolina, USA, if you ever set foot in Chinese territory or a Chinese airport, you're opening yourself up to the risk of arrest and probably lifetime imprisonment. Good luck getting in touch with your embassy then!
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 8, 2020 22:04:40 GMT 10
What is China's endgame in all this? It's almost as if they are wanting to go to war with the West. They know very well what they are doing, and what the consequences of it will be...and I know i'm now putting myself at risk of getting arrested, but it has to be said.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 20:18:43 GMT 10
What they want is revenge against the Western powers for their colonization of China in the 19th century. Oh, and the CCP in general just likes controlling others. I know I'm risking arrest and lifetime imprisonment for just saying this, but I don't have plans to ever go to China, and certainly not before things get better.
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Post by rainbow on Jul 11, 2020 6:45:42 GMT 10
Fuck China.
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Post by al on Jul 11, 2020 11:33:43 GMT 10
How are you guys thinking we should move forward with all of this?
It seems for a lot of American (presumably international in general) big businesses, the Chinese "growing middle class" is seen as too big of an opportunity to miss out on. Or perhaps China is integral to their supply chain. In any case, they want to "save face" because $$$, which I'm afraid has somewhat enabled this degree of policing.
There was a while in the 2000's where there was a big push to boycott Chinese made goods, and I'm wondering if that will make a resurgence.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 11, 2020 12:53:14 GMT 10
How are you guys thinking we should move forward with all of this? It seems for a lot of American (presumably international in general) big businesses, the Chinese "growing middle class" is seen as too big of an opportunity to miss out on. Or perhaps China is integral to their supply chain. In any case, they want to "save face" because $$$, which I'm afraid has somewhat enabled this degree of policing. There was a while in the 2000's where there was a big push to boycott Chinese made goods, and I'm wondering if that will make a resurgence. It's not going to be a popular opinion, but I seriously think the West needs to unite in putting a stop to China's agenda of world dominance and declare war on the country. They are a danger to our human rights and people's freedom of liberty.
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Post by al on Jul 11, 2020 13:39:35 GMT 10
It's not going to be a popular opinion, but I seriously think the West needs to unite in putting a stop to China's agenda of world dominance and declare war on the country. They are a danger to our human rights and people's freedom of liberty. I'm not sure we should declare literal war as much as decrease our commerce. And especially...stop borrowing their money. But yes, multiple countries need to come together. There are also environmental concerns to speak of as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 21:52:12 GMT 10
How are you guys thinking we should move forward with all of this? It seems for a lot of American (presumably international in general) big businesses, the Chinese "growing middle class" is seen as too big of an opportunity to miss out on. Or perhaps China is integral to their supply chain. In any case, they want to "save face" because $$$, which I'm afraid has somewhat enabled this degree of policing. There was a while in the 2000's where there was a big push to boycott Chinese made goods, and I'm wondering if that will make a resurgence. It's not going to be a popular opinion, but I seriously think the West needs to unite in putting a stop to China's agenda of world dominance and declare war on the country. They are a danger to our human rights and people's freedom of liberty. I agree that there needs to be a united front against China, but there are other, equally effective methods that don't involve a shooting war. As a start, we need to impose sanctions on all Chinese goods, and reverse Nixon's foreign policy: re-recognize Taiwan (the ROC) as the "real" China and boot the PRC off the UNSC and out of the UN.
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Post by mc98 on Jul 12, 2020 1:18:19 GMT 10
I don't think I'll ever go to China because of this. Screw the CCP.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 12, 2020 18:38:51 GMT 10
It's not going to be a popular opinion, but I seriously think the West needs to unite in putting a stop to China's agenda of world dominance and declare war on the country. They are a danger to our human rights and people's freedom of liberty. I agree that there needs to be a united front against China, but there are other, equally effective methods that don't involve a shooting war. As a start, we need to impose sanctions on all Chinese goods, and reverse Nixon's foreign policy: re-recognize Taiwan (the ROC) as the "real" China and boot the PRC off the UNSC and out of the UN. Pursuing any of those actions would only result in more hostility from China and potentially make tensions worse than what they already are, it would only increase the likelihood of a war starting against China anyway. There's really no other way around this. We can't just expect things to simmer back down again if China are bringing this upon themselves and are posing more of a threat to our way of life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 20:39:08 GMT 10
They can get angry all they want; if you financially cripple the country, it's not like they would be able to mount an effective response anyway. It's the reason tools like these exist in the first place: to prevent another world war.
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Post by al on Jul 21, 2020 4:38:46 GMT 10
I guess Japan is aiding countries in moving their factories out of China to reduce/eliminate Chinese presence in their supply chain. ....maybe not the worst idea 
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 21, 2020 17:11:24 GMT 10
They can get angry all they want; if you financially cripple the country, it's not like they would be able to mount an effective response anyway. It's the reason tools like these exist in the first place: to prevent another world war. That would be true if we were talking about a lesser regional power, but China is already an emerging global superpower and they possess an abundant amount of resources. It would take years for the financial repercussions imposed by the West to truly cripple them. I guess Japan is aiding countries in moving their factories out of China to reduce/eliminate Chinese presence in their supply chain. ....maybe not the worst idea I agree. I could see Japan and India becoming increasingly important allies to the West within this decade, especially if countries continue to reduce their dependence on Chinese exports. Here in Australia, we've actually just signed a space agreement with Japan and we're also looking to strengthen our defense/security ties with them as well (to counteract China). If Biden wins the election in November, it wouldn't surprise me if the US looks to pursue something similar. www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-and-japan-to-sign-space-deal-discuss-deeper-security-ties-20200708-p55a92.html
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 22, 2020 23:46:29 GMT 10
This is an interesting development.
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Post by al on Jul 23, 2020 0:00:26 GMT 10
It’s concerning that this isn’t more mainstream. I would ideally like to start boycotting Chinese goods, but I’m not so naive as to not see how they affect entire supply chains. Even when you make a point not to buy specifically made in PRC products, you still don’t know whether any packaging or components are coming out of there. We could face far more severe shortages if we don’t get serious about relocating production now. Never mind from an ethical standpoint, our continued commerce only funds the regime.
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