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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 20:53:44 GMT 10
Maybe it's the isolation and the doldrums associated with that, but the 2010s are quickly becoming rehabilitated in my eyes. I never thought I'd see the day where I would begin to prefer the 2010s over the 2000s, but it is gradually happening. After all, the earlier part of the decade had what John Titor has referred to in the past (I think rightly) as the "Reality Check" years: Obama's presidency was just fresh and it felt like sanity was returning to the world. The music wasn't bad - I'm not a fan of electropop, but Bruno Mars turned out to be one of the golden children of these years. I'm sure there are other names you can come up with. But to me, where the 2010s shone was in TV and video games. Ignoring for a second that GoT turned out to be a bomb in the last season, those first few seasons practically defined the decade, and GoT obsession was seen as not only socially acceptable but pretty ordinary and commonplace. Like, being a GoT fan, at least in the U.S., was like being a fan of your local sports team. On the family-friendly side, Adventure Time arguably revolutionized Western animation by opening the door for an entire generation of CalArts graduates with thin-line art not inspired by conventional cartoons and who told stories that were unconventional and oftentimes more adult than normal. But as I've mentioned several times in the past, video games were really the definitive groundbreaking sector of pop culture in the 2010s. There has never been a single better decade in gaming, period. Yes, we had microtransactions and loot boxes become a thing during the past decade, but the 2010s turned out to also be an indie gaming renaissance, with such hits as Undertale, Hyper Light Drifter, Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Limbo, and more. The 2010s also introduced gamification of real-world tasks, which I personally find very helpful in getting through life by quantifying what I'm doing. Yes, unfortunately, the political situation from about 2014 onward was just generally...terrible. I'm not going to sugarcoat it, especially as one of the first to raise my voice to complain about it since joining here and the other forum. But leaving aside the politics, there was actually a lot to like about those years. And even politically, the events of the past year have oddly given me hope and cast a new light on the 2010s. If things get better, it may rehabilitate the 2010s fully for me. Anyone else getting that itch? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 9, 2020 22:27:38 GMT 10
The 2010s are a frustrating decade to look back on as it was the ultimate "two-faced" decade. There's the progressive, Obama-governed, minimalist-2010s that I really appreciate and look back on with a lot of fondness, but then there's also the flashy, materialistic-2010s defined by Instagram #selfies, shallow EDM and an unhealthy obsession of social media culture. I'm just bitter in the sense that I like what the 2010s were aspiring to be during the first few years of the decade, but all that progress was completely turned on its head as the decade further progressed. The fact that we went from Obama and indie-pop at the beginning of the decade, to Trump and mumble-rap at the end sums it all up in a nutshell.
Maybe it is still a bit too soon for me, but I wouldn't say that I have any sense of nostalgia for the 2010s at all. Don't get me wrong, there are aspects of the decade which I do like for what they were (e.g indie, the MCU) and I am starting to miss my high school years to a degree, however i'm not going to pretend that they were a utopia to live through. They weren't a good decade. I hated the fact that most kids would spend 80% of our lunch-breaks staring at their phones rather than talking to the person next to them face-to-face, or not knowing when to speak to your friend because they were holding their smartphone in one hand and an earpiece in one of their ears. I wish there had of been a decade-defining, Black Parade-type of album release which would have appealed to myself and all of the people in my grade, but it wasn't too be. Music had already become too fragmented for that to happen. Also, my favourite music genre (rock) kicked the bucket around the time I started high school in Early 2012, so I ended up hating most of the music that was popular during "my" years in pop culture.
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Post by rainbow on Jul 9, 2020 23:34:35 GMT 10
I liked the early and mid-2010’s the best. I’ve been feeling a lot more nostalgic for the mid-2010’s lately. I’m not really a fan of the cultural late 2010’s. A lot of the music from then all sounds the same to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 11:44:22 GMT 10
The 2010s are a frustrating decade to look back on as it was the ultimate "two-faced" decade. There's the progressive, Obama-governed, minimalist-2010s that I really appreciate and look back on with a lot of fondness, but then there's also the flashy, materialistic-2010s defined by Instagram #selfies, shallow EDM and an unhealthy obsession of social media culture. I'm just bitter in the sense that I like what the 2010s were aspiring to be during the first few years of the decade, but all that progress was completely turned on its head as the decade further progressed. The fact that we went from Obama and indie-pop at the beginning of the decade, to Trump and mumble-rap at the end sums it all up in a nutshell. Maybe it is still a bit too soon for me, but I wouldn't say that I have any sense of nostalgia for the 2010s at all. Don't get me wrong, there are aspects of the decade which I do like for what they were (e.g indie, the MCU) and I am starting to miss my high school years to a degree, however i'm not going to pretend that they were a utopia to live through. They weren't a good decade. I hated the fact that most kids would spend 80% of our lunch-breaks staring at their phones rather than talking to the person next to them face-to-face, or not knowing when to speak to your friend because they were holding their smartphone in one hand and an earpiece in one of their ears. I wish there had of been a decade-defining, Black Parade-type of album release which would have appealed to myself and all of the people in my grade, but it wasn't too be. Music had already become too fragmented for that to happen. Also, my favourite music genre (rock) kicked the bucket around the time I started high school in Early 2012, so I ended up hating most of the music that was popular during "my" years in pop culture. Ooh, good observation there, seriously well-said. I think that may be why it's "easier" to be nostalgic for hipsters, because they belong to that side of the 2010s coin. I will say that my experience of the 2010s is likely to have been vastly different from yours, since when it started I was already around halfway through college. It meant my friends and I didn't get sucked into the whole IG/smartphone thing because we had already grown up mainly with face-to-face contact. I was already basically an adult; the main aspects of pop culture that I interfaced with were not EDM and the EDM festivals, but the rustic hipster aesthetic, clean living, and hipster-inspired cuisine (one of the main things I miss from the decade). On the flip side, it does mean that the darkening of the political situation personally hurt even more than it might have if I had been younger. I was no longer insulated from political events because by mid-decade, I was a working adult with rent and a fiancée. The first half of the decade was great because, as you said, there was a sense that the 2010s were headed in a good direction both culturally and politically, like it was going to be a return not only to stability but back to a feeling like we were the good guys and like we could work towards a better tomorrow. It's funny to think how that optimism arose even in the depths of a terrible recession, but there was this feeling that Obama was going to be this FDR-like figure that would usher in a new golden era for America and that that would benefit the rest of the world too. You do have a good point about there not being a "definitive" album, though; there was no American Idiot of the 2010s. I think the "definitive" hallmarks of the 2010s came down to certain TV shows and movies; I think those ended up being the main face of pop culture in the 2010s. I mean, think about The Hunger Games or the Captain America movies; I think there is a decent argument that movies like that "defined" the decade and captured the imagination of the viewing public much more than any HAIM or Skrillex album.
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Post by John Titor on Jul 10, 2020 12:45:15 GMT 10
The 2010s are a frustrating decade to look back on as it was the ultimate "two-faced" decade. There's the progressive, Obama-governed, minimalist-2010s that I really appreciate and look back on with a lot of fondness, but then there's also the flashy, materialistic-2010s defined by Instagram #selfies, shallow EDM and an unhealthy obsession of social media culture. I'm just bitter in the sense that I like what the 2010s were aspiring to be during the first few years of the decade, but all that progress was completely turned on its head as the decade further progressed. The fact that we went from Obama and indie-pop at the beginning of the decade, to Trump and mumble-rap at the end sums it all up in a nutshell. Maybe it is still a bit too soon for me, but I wouldn't say that I have any sense of nostalgia for the 2010s at all. Don't get me wrong, there are aspects of the decade which I do like for what they were (e.g indie, the MCU) and I am starting to miss my high school years to a degree, however i'm not going to pretend that they were a utopia to live through. They weren't a good decade. I hated the fact that most kids would spend 80% of our lunch-breaks staring at their phones rather than talking to the person next to them face-to-face, or not knowing when to speak to your friend because they were holding their smartphone in one hand and an earpiece in one of their ears. I wish there had of been a decade-defining, Black Parade-type of album release which would have appealed to myself and all of the people in my grade, but it wasn't too be. Music had already become too fragmented for that to happen. Also, my favourite music genre (rock) kicked the bucket around the time I started high school in Early 2012, so I ended up hating most of the music that was popular during "my" years in pop culture. Ooh, good observation there, seriously well-said. I think that may be why it's "easier" to be nostalgic for hipsters, because they belong to that side of the 2010s coin. I will say that my experience of the 2010s is likely to have been vastly different from yours, since when it started I was already around halfway through college. It meant my friends and I didn't get sucked into the whole IG/smartphone thing because we had already grown up mainly with face-to-face contact. I was already basically an adult; the main aspects of pop culture that I interfaced with were not EDM and the EDM festivals, but the rustic hipster aesthetic, clean living, and hipster-inspired cuisine (one of the main things I miss from the decade). On the flip side, it does mean that the darkening of the political situation personally hurt even more than it might have if I had been younger. I was no longer insulated from political events because by mid-decade, I was a working adult with rent and a fiancée. The first half of the decade was great because, as you said, there was a sense that the 2010s were headed in a good direction both culturally and politically, like it was going to be a return not only to stability but back to a feeling like we were the good guys and like we could work towards a better tomorrow. It's funny to think how that optimism arose even in the depths of a terrible recession, but there was this feeling that Obama was going to be this FDR-like figure that would usher in a new golden era for America and that that would benefit the rest of the world too. You do have a good point about there not being a "definitive" album, though; there was no American Idiot of the 2010s. I think the "definitive" hallmarks of the 2010s came down to certain TV shows and movies; I think those ended up being the main face of pop culture in the 2010s. I mean, think about The Hunger Games or the Captain America movies; I think there is a decent argument that movies like that "defined" the decade and captured the imagination of the viewing public much more than any HAIM or Skrillex album. I might have to make a thread on the WHAT IF direction the 2010s was going to go, The reality era continued !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 20:13:24 GMT 10
Ooh, good observation there, seriously well-said. I think that may be why it's "easier" to be nostalgic for hipsters, because they belong to that side of the 2010s coin. I will say that my experience of the 2010s is likely to have been vastly different from yours, since when it started I was already around halfway through college. It meant my friends and I didn't get sucked into the whole IG/smartphone thing because we had already grown up mainly with face-to-face contact. I was already basically an adult; the main aspects of pop culture that I interfaced with were not EDM and the EDM festivals, but the rustic hipster aesthetic, clean living, and hipster-inspired cuisine (one of the main things I miss from the decade). On the flip side, it does mean that the darkening of the political situation personally hurt even more than it might have if I had been younger. I was no longer insulated from political events because by mid-decade, I was a working adult with rent and a fiancée. The first half of the decade was great because, as you said, there was a sense that the 2010s were headed in a good direction both culturally and politically, like it was going to be a return not only to stability but back to a feeling like we were the good guys and like we could work towards a better tomorrow. It's funny to think how that optimism arose even in the depths of a terrible recession, but there was this feeling that Obama was going to be this FDR-like figure that would usher in a new golden era for America and that that would benefit the rest of the world too. You do have a good point about there not being a "definitive" album, though; there was no American Idiot of the 2010s. I think the "definitive" hallmarks of the 2010s came down to certain TV shows and movies; I think those ended up being the main face of pop culture in the 2010s. I mean, think about The Hunger Games or the Captain America movies; I think there is a decent argument that movies like that "defined" the decade and captured the imagination of the viewing public much more than any HAIM or Skrillex album. I might have to make a thread on the WHAT IF direction the 2010s was going to go, The reality era continued ! Oh, I would love that.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jul 10, 2020 20:32:50 GMT 10
Ooh, good observation there, seriously well-said. I think that may be why it's "easier" to be nostalgic for hipsters, because they belong to that side of the 2010s coin. I will say that my experience of the 2010s is likely to have been vastly different from yours, since when it started I was already around halfway through college. It meant my friends and I didn't get sucked into the whole IG/smartphone thing because we had already grown up mainly with face-to-face contact. I was already basically an adult; the main aspects of pop culture that I interfaced with were not EDM and the EDM festivals, but the rustic hipster aesthetic, clean living, and hipster-inspired cuisine (one of the main things I miss from the decade). On the flip side, it does mean that the darkening of the political situation personally hurt even more than it might have if I had been younger. I was no longer insulated from political events because by mid-decade, I was a working adult with rent and a fiancée. The first half of the decade was great because, as you said, there was a sense that the 2010s were headed in a good direction both culturally and politically, like it was going to be a return not only to stability but back to a feeling like we were the good guys and like we could work towards a better tomorrow. It's funny to think how that optimism arose even in the depths of a terrible recession, but there was this feeling that Obama was going to be this FDR-like figure that would usher in a new golden era for America and that that would benefit the rest of the world too. You do have a good point about there not being a "definitive" album, though; there was no American Idiot of the 2010s. I think the "definitive" hallmarks of the 2010s came down to certain TV shows and movies; I think those ended up being the main face of pop culture in the 2010s. I mean, think about The Hunger Games or the Captain America movies; I think there is a decent argument that movies like that "defined" the decade and captured the imagination of the viewing public much more than any HAIM or Skrillex album. For sure! Yeah that's true, 2010 would be for you what the start of the 2020s basically are for me. It's interesting you mention that actually about hipsters. Indie-pop is one of the few things from the 2010s that i'm already nostalgic for as well, probably in part due to it not belonging to the materalistic-2010s that mostly defined my high school years. Plenty of people in my grade were into it, but it never really felt as though the sub-culture was ever geared towards people my age, at least not in the same sense that emo catered for teens back in the mid-late 2000s. I would definitely say it was a movement targeted at people who were college-aged at some point during the first-half of the decade. I agree. It was just a great time for society all-round. You can trace the positivity and hopefulness of the time to so many factors too, from Lady Gaga and electropop becoming popular towards the end of the 2000s, to Obama being elected, to smartphones becoming widespread and changing the way we go about our lives. Everything came together for a fresh, clean slate to truly set us up for the years ahead, but unfortunately, too much of a good thing can quickly become a bad thing. The trends and innovations that came about in the Early 2010s were ultimately responsible for the rut that we all find ourselves in today. Without smartphones becoming widespread, its likely we wouldn't have had #cancelculture, or even a rise in far-right extremist beliefs. It all came back to bite us in the end. Oh I agree, definitely. I can see how that came to be too, because the production standards for the TV shows and movies were pretty incredible for the most part. Also, i'm sure Netflix/streaming culture (e.g "binge-watching", "Netflix and chill") would have only contributed to it as well. It is surprising though that something similar never happened to music at any point during the decade. Obviously mainstream music had become much more fragmented from what it had been around the turn of the millennium and even compared to the mid-late 2000s when you were in high school, but you still would have thought there would be at least one album that would have truly defined the zeitgeist of the period. Just from my experience, I wouldn't say that there was even a single genre or music sub-culture that defined people my age. Most of my close circle of friends (who are fans of rock as well) were into the emo bands that we grew up with as kids such as Fall Out Boy, Panic! etc., but then there was also at least ten people in my grade who obsessively listened to the post-hardcore bands of the Mid 2010s (e.g Pierce The Veil, Sleeping With Sirens). Other people were just into the EDM on the Top-40 charts (e.g Avicii) or were right into indie-pop. There definitely wasn't a teen-centric sub-culture like the emo scene or grunge.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 21:00:55 GMT 10
So, funny you should mention mainstream music becoming fragmented, because in my opinion that's why we never had that definitive album. While the 2000s did have that whole duality between rock and rap, such that arguably the definitive album of the 2000s could have been either American Idiot by Green Day or Late Registration by Kanye West. Nevertheless, there was sort of a common thread or narrative held in common by most of society - at least American society - so that a singular definitive hit would be recognized. Our musical tastes may have been varied, but they hadn't been tribalized yet (though that was coming thanks to the iPod). It's the same reason why in decades past, we could all recognize Nirvana's Nevermind or Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon as "definitive" albums of their times.
In the 2010s, on the other hand, popular music (i.e. distinguished from pop music) branched out into so many different genres, styles, and approaches to music from the hipster stuff like Telekinesis or Guster to electropop like Lady Gaga and Katy Perry to R&B by Bruno Mars or John Legend, and on and on. While it's true that the decade was characterized by a lot of mindless, talentless garbage like deadmau5 or Fetty Wap, the 2010s also saw a great deal of experimentation and diversification within music, even as rock had died. Actually, arguably, the death of rock as the king paved the way for acts like Lorde and The Weeknd to dominate the airwaves now that they didn't have to compete with cKy or The Receiving End of Sirens. We might not appreciate it now, but the kinds of songs these pop acts were putting out were not utilizing ordinary pop sounds, styles, or song structures by any stretch, and ten years before they might've been pop artists operating at the very fringe of the mainstream. I would also point to Nicki Minaj as a similar example of this.
But there is a reason for this, and it goes back to your point about there not being a noticeable technological innovation in music. You are right: by and large it does not appear there was any new technological development that changed the way songs were recorded or performed. Auto-tune itself had been around for about a decade by the time the 2010s began, so it was far from new or unique; it was just utilized more. There is nothing else that comes to mind in terms of how music is recorded or performed. But that's because the main technological innovation in music during the 2010s was how it was distributed, through online outlets like Bandcamp and Soundcloud.
Websites like Bandcamp meant anyone with recording equipment and some fair amount of musical proficiency could upload their songs and gain a decent following. It was Myspace on steroids, and artists were able to distribute entire albums or discographies and fans could virtually always pay what they wanted for it, meaning many chose to support the artist voluntarily. And predictably, the availability of more music from more sources - especially being from sources we may never have heard from in the days before Bandcamp - means musical tastes are tribalized even more. It may have meant now that more experimental options became more readily available like vaporwave or future funk (or even stuff like alternative pop or indie neo-soul), but it also meant music listeners were fragmented even further so it became hard to pick out a definitive album that they all would have heard of, let alone all enjoyed or related to.
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Post by Telso on Jul 11, 2020 3:35:06 GMT 10
a lot of mindless, talentless garbage like deadmau5. What "I Remember" might be the most emotionally charged and finely produced electronic track of all-time, and certainly more progressive than anything by Lorde.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 3:49:58 GMT 10
a lot of mindless, talentless garbage like deadmau5. What "I Remember" might be the most emotionally charged and finely produced electronic track of all-time, and certainly more progressive than anything by Lorde. Isn’t his I Remember a collab? He is also responsible for garbage like Ghosts n Stuff and Afterhours.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2020 14:19:32 GMT 10
My biggest regret is not making the most of the 2010s.
Those would have been my best years.
Even as they were, what I would give to go back to them in comparison to 2020.
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