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Post by watergod83 on Sept 4, 2020 7:22:59 GMT 10
This is a tough one, even for me to decide.
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Post by rainbow on Sept 4, 2020 7:35:43 GMT 10
Easily more like 1994 IMO.
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Post by Cassie on Sept 4, 2020 8:01:54 GMT 10
1994.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 4, 2020 8:16:20 GMT 10
Easily more like 1994 IMO. Exactly. It’s closer to 1994 in spirit especially the incoming late 90s starting points and semi late 90s vibes that solidified in the second half of that year, that people usually just associate with 95 and 96, because it’s easier to pinpoint. 2000 and almost any year surrounding it, is like beefed up version of 1994-1996 however without any of strong core/mid 90s culture or early 90s aspects, especially from 1993-1994.
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Post by watergod83 on Sept 4, 2020 10:14:24 GMT 10
I guess the only thing I can think of that makes 2000 a little more like '06 would be rap music. In '94, there was still the East-West coast feud. You had boom-bap in the East and G funk in the West. In 2000, the feud was dead, and rap music was more pop-influenced, just like in '06.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Sept 4, 2020 13:38:26 GMT 10
None, technology jumped way too much between 1994 and 2000 to make it more like 1994. Early 1994 also still looks retro (in an 80s/early 90s type way too). Politically and socially, 2000 shares much more in common with 1994 but, the technology is definitely more like 2006.
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Post by Telso on Sept 4, 2020 17:48:20 GMT 10
Unquestionably 2006.
Tech-wise, things like cellphones, CGI and the internet were a lot more widespread in the year 2000 compared to 6 years prior. Fashion-wise, low-rise jeans and the bubblier 2000s fashion were already taking over in 2000, a far cry from the earthy and grungy fashion of 1994. And if you look closely some of the more gothic fashion in 2000 seemed to already predict the later ubiquitous emo movement in 2006. Music-wise, 1994 was full-on R&B ballads, eurodance, grunge and west/east coast feud-era rap, while 2000 was dance-R&b, trance, post-grunge and materialistic bling rap. 2006 was practically a continuation of all four.
The only major thing that brings 2000 closer to 1994 would be 9/11 and the ensuing political events not being a thing yet really. But the controversial election of Dubya was already a reality in 2000, just like Trump was in 2016.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 5, 2020 5:45:07 GMT 10
None, technology jumped way too much between 1994 and 2000 to make it more like 1994. Early 1994 also still looks retro (in an 80s/early 90s type way too). Politically and socially, 2000 shares much more in common with 1994 but, the technology is definitely more like 2006. I'd say there were a number of tiny, superficial commonalities and obvious extensions of things that started in 1994 related to late 90s. This only applies to early 2000. Late 2000 has more in common with early 2006 for sure. Also Like if you open up an old Y2K new years house party tape you'll notice very tiny and vague core 90s things, that were pretty much gone by most if not all of 2001. Other connections between late 1994 and early 2000. Many people were using the same or almost similar looking computers they got in 94-96 with windows 98 upgrades. Graphic style is Web 1.0 which was identical to the net in late 1994. Dial up was the norm, which was just getting more popular in 94 Some people still have circular framed 90s style glasses and typical curtained hair Baggy jeans, khakis, timbalands, shaved heads, short cut plain hair, casual adidas shoes, slightly spiked hair, androgynous female hair Music genres that got big or debut in 94 and are now peaking VHS is still ruling Some graphic design/ads looks identical to some from 1994-1995. A lot of shows on TV that debuted in earlier 90s have a vague semi core 90s feeling in 1999/2000, partially due to the way it was shot. Cds, minidiscs, tapes, online music samples were shared in both periods. 2000/2001 is when there were enough file sharing options and mp3s and the Cd industry took a hit. Pagers, cellphones and payphones used in both periods. 2000/2001 is when cell phones become more common place and necessary.
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Post by #Infinity on Sept 5, 2020 9:48:43 GMT 10
Politically and mentally, 2000 was closer to 1994. However, due to the Internet, it was otherwise definitely closer to 2006. The Internet may not have passed it's "hip and cool new technology" phase yet, but it had still clearly left its mark on popular culture and the world was being connected in whole new ways that were opening up countless innovations to everyday life and business.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 5, 2020 15:29:01 GMT 10
Politically and mentally, 2000 was closer to 1994. However, due to the Internet, it was otherwise definitely closer to 2006. The Internet may not have passed it's "hip and cool new technology" phase yet, but it had still clearly left its mark on popular culture and the world was being connected in whole new ways that were opening up countless innovations to everyday life and business. The internet was already getting big in the second half of 1994 with constant coverage all over all news channels, mtv, and even celebrities like angelia joile talking about it, cameo on shows like my so called life, Aerosmith releasing their own official mp3 with 1000s of downloads, and tv features regarding the fate of the music due to downloading and the potential of the information highway. A good amount of companies, organizations were using the internet and or had their own official websites unlike 1991-early 94. Comics/magazines were starting to noticebly include http address and a number of massive companies launched including yahoo, netscape navigator ( browser) geocities (personal and fan homepages), public profile sites, music download sites started to take off ( internet music archive) etc By the end of 1994, as opposed to 1993-1994, the internet had a sizable amount of websites and features and resembled the internet web 1.0 style, layout and traits associated with 1995-2000. 2000/2001-2004 was the same but felt a bit more polished and much bigger and more established, with things like instant messaging, file sharing and other things becoming more commonplace and the internet becoming more necessary and much more common. 2004-2007 felt like the start or transition towards of Web 2.0 with sites like Wikipedia and early social media, iTunes, blogs etc which are characteristics of web 2.0
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Post by #Infinity on Sept 5, 2020 22:39:50 GMT 10
The internet was already getting big in the second half of 1994 with constant coverage all over all news channels, mtv, and even celebrities like angelia joile talking about it, cameo on shows like my so called life, Aerosmith releasing their own official mp3 with 1000s of downloads, and tv features regarding the fate of the music due to downloading and the potential of the information highway. A good amount of companies, organizations were using the internet and or had their own official websites unlike 1991-early 94. Comics/magazines were starting to noticebly include http address and a number of massive companies launched including yahoo, netscape navigator ( browser) geocities (personal and fan homepages), public profile sites, music download sites started to take off ( internet music archive) etc By the end of 1994, as opposed to 1993-1994, the internet had a sizable amount of websites and features and resembled the internet web 1.0 style, layout and traits associated with 1995-2000. You exaggerate the impact of what the web was in 1994. Almost nobody actually used it yet, unless they were a super nerd. Businesses were still strictly localized and there was still a wide perception that the Internet was just a weird novelty that could possibly fade. Internet Explorer hadn't even been released yet! You had the debut of Netscape that year, but the cultural revolution had very much not taken place. The Internet being mainstream in the first place is a way bigger deal imo than simply having Web 2.0 features.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 6, 2020 0:39:49 GMT 10
The internet was already getting big in the second half of 1994 with constant coverage all over all news channels, mtv, and even celebrities like angelia joile talking about it, cameo on shows like my so called life, Aerosmith releasing their own official mp3 with 1000s of downloads, and tv features regarding the fate of the music due to downloading and the potential of the information highway. A good amount of companies, organizations were using the internet and or had their own official websites unlike 1991-early 94. Comics/magazines were starting to noticebly include http address and a number of massive companies launched including yahoo, netscape navigator ( browser) geocities (personal and fan homepages), public profile sites, music download sites started to take off ( internet music archive) etc By the end of 1994, as opposed to 1993-1994, the internet had a sizable amount of websites and features and resembled the internet web 1.0 style, layout and traits associated with 1995-2000. You exaggerate the impact of what the web was in 1994. Almost nobody actually used it yet, unless they were a super nerd. Businesses were still strictly localized and there was still a wide perception that the Internet was just a weird novelty that could possibly fade. Internet Explorer hadn't even been released yet! You had the debut of Netscape that year, but the cultural revolution had very much not taken place. The Internet being mainstream in the first place is a way bigger deal imo than simply having Web 2.0 features. You could say both 1994 and 2000 share the same web 1.0 format, lack of the mandatory use, basic functions but popularity and some areas of development lean towards 2006. On the otherhand though for some people the Internet was still not that popular yet that could be another similarity with 1994 as least on the surface. It simply not true that nobody used in 1994 going into 1995, unless they were a super nerd. It didn't just magically get big in 1995-97 from scratch. I haven't mentioned any points that were exaggerated, was trying to illustrate its presence in 1994 using some facts, it is a given it was simply not as big as during 1995-97 and during the tail end of the 90s into the 2000s, but it still was somewhat entering the mainstream late that year, unlike any time prior, and did have presence, you could say it was more cohesive and a mainstream starting point of the modern internet if you will. 1994 is the first year you have a proper and diverse range of websites, big and small, (1993 barely has anything), massive companies launching and good amount of mainstream coverage and early profile sites, homepages/fan pages becoming a thing and very early music sharing. I made a thread about this a while back with multiple references and videos. A lot of big business were using email in 1994, and were using online services much more than any point prior and many were starting to have official websites, obviously this was just starting out. Compuserve was quite used in universities in the early 90s as well, it was not some obscure thing. A lot of people in my class used it back then, during the 1994-1995 school year and were talking about this new called on internet in the playgrounds. I had it as well. I have vivid memories of accessing the internet in 1994, 1995, 1996 and it wasn't a obscure thing for tech nerds like the way BBS, usenet and prodigy was in the 80s up until 1993-early 94 or so. Even in 1993 it internet was starting to gain some attention with aol and other things. Here's a recent quote from Jay dawg from my 1994 thread: "I strongly agree with this, 1994 is really the first year to have a strong connection to the late 90s, especially considering the technology that year. 1993 on the other hand still feels a lot more connected to say, 1990. You could argue that 1994 is when the 90s start to look closer to the 2000s rather than the 1980s. I also always felt that 1994 was kind of like year 1 for the internet as well, it was the first year when the internet started getting mainstream attention (it was pretty much unknown in 1993), modern web surfing also started in 1994ish with NCSA Mosaic and Netscape Navigator. Bringing up 3D video games is a good point, the arcades were literally being taken over by 3D that year, compared to 1993 which was still a very 16-bit year in the arcades. In 1994, you had new arcade games such as Daytona USA, Tekken, Virtua Cop and much much more."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 0:51:25 GMT 10
2006 because it was from the same decade. Actually it is like neither year, it is like 2000.
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Post by #Infinity on Sept 6, 2020 6:03:29 GMT 10
You exaggerate the impact of what the web was in 1994. Almost nobody actually used it yet, unless they were a super nerd. Businesses were still strictly localized and there was still a wide perception that the Internet was just a weird novelty that could possibly fade. Internet Explorer hadn't even been released yet! You had the debut of Netscape that year, but the cultural revolution had very much not taken place. The Internet being mainstream in the first place is a way bigger deal imo than simply having Web 2.0 features. You could say both 1994 and 2000 share the same web 1.0 format, lack of the mandatory use, basic functions but popularity and some areas of development lean towards 2006. On the otherhand though for some people the Internet was still not that popular yet that could be another similarity with 1994 as least on the surface. It simply not true that nobody used in 1994 going into 1995, unless they were a super nerd. It didn't just magically get big in 1995-97 from scratch. I haven't mentioned any points that were exaggerated, was trying to illustrate its presence in 1994 using some facts, it is a given it was simply not as big as during 1995-97 and during the tail end of the 90s into the 2000s, but it still was somewhat entering the mainstream late that year, unlike any time prior, and did have presence, you could say it was more cohesive and a mainstream starting point of the modern internet if you will. 1994 is the first year you have a proper and diverse range of websites, big and small, (1993 barely has anything), massive companies launching and good amount of mainstream coverage and early profile sites, homepages/fan pages becoming a thing and very early music sharing. I made a thread about this a while back with multiple references and videos. A lot of big business were using email in 1994, and were using online services much more than any point prior and many were starting to have official websites, obviously this was just starting out. Compuserve was quite used in universities in the early 90s as well, it was not some obscure thing. A lot of people in my class used it back then, during the 1994-1995 school year and were talking about this new called on internet in the playgrounds. I had it as well. I have vivid memories of accessing the internet in 1994, 1995, 1996 and it wasn't a obscure thing for tech nerds like the way BBS, usenet and prodigy was in the 80s up until 1993-early 94 or so. Even in 1993 it internet was starting to gain some attention with aol and other things. Here's a recent quote from Jay dawg from my 1994 thread: "I strongly agree with this, 1994 is really the first year to have a strong connection to the late 90s, especially considering the technology that year. 1993 on the other hand still feels a lot more connected to say, 1990. You could argue that 1994 is when the 90s start to look closer to the 2000s rather than the 1980s. I also always felt that 1994 was kind of like year 1 for the internet as well, it was the first year when the internet started getting mainstream attention (it was pretty much unknown in 1993), modern web surfing also started in 1994ish with NCSA Mosaic and Netscape Navigator. Bringing up 3D video games is a good point, the arcades were literally being taken over by 3D that year, compared to 1993 which was still a very 16-bit year in the arcades. In 1994, you had new arcade games such as Daytona USA, Tekken, Virtua Cop and much much more." Webpages themselves still looked very primitive in 2000, however far more people were using them. Plus, by 2000 you had sites such as Amazon, eBay, and Yahoo! making their mark, and while Google wouldn't hit its mainstream stride until around early 2002, search engines were at least a thing by 2000. Oh yeah, instant messaging was also far more common by 2000; that's a pretty deal, as it's pretty much a precursor to social media. Even with some media coverage on the Internet in 1994, the fact that Windows 95 and Internet Explorer hadn't yet been released separates that year from 2000 pretty firmly in terms of how the Internet was actually affecting everyday life.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 6, 2020 7:28:07 GMT 10
You could say both 1994 and 2000 share the same web 1.0 format, lack of the mandatory use, basic functions but popularity and some areas of development lean towards 2006. On the otherhand though for some people the Internet was still not that popular yet that could be another similarity with 1994 as least on the surface. It simply not true that nobody used in 1994 going into 1995, unless they were a super nerd. It didn't just magically get big in 1995-97 from scratch. I haven't mentioned any points that were exaggerated, was trying to illustrate its presence in 1994 using some facts, it is a given it was simply not as big as during 1995-97 and during the tail end of the 90s into the 2000s, but it still was somewhat entering the mainstream late that year, unlike any time prior, and did have presence, you could say it was more cohesive and a mainstream starting point of the modern internet if you will. 1994 is the first year you have a proper and diverse range of websites, big and small, (1993 barely has anything), massive companies launching and good amount of mainstream coverage and early profile sites, homepages/fan pages becoming a thing and very early music sharing. I made a thread about this a while back with multiple references and videos. A lot of big business were using email in 1994, and were using online services much more than any point prior and many were starting to have official websites, obviously this was just starting out. Compuserve was quite used in universities in the early 90s as well, it was not some obscure thing. A lot of people in my class used it back then, during the 1994-1995 school year and were talking about this new called on internet in the playgrounds. I had it as well. I have vivid memories of accessing the internet in 1994, 1995, 1996 and it wasn't a obscure thing for tech nerds like the way BBS, usenet and prodigy was in the 80s up until 1993-early 94 or so. Even in 1993 it internet was starting to gain some attention with aol and other things. Here's a recent quote from Jay dawg from my 1994 thread: "I strongly agree with this, 1994 is really the first year to have a strong connection to the late 90s, especially considering the technology that year. 1993 on the other hand still feels a lot more connected to say, 1990. You could argue that 1994 is when the 90s start to look closer to the 2000s rather than the 1980s. I also always felt that 1994 was kind of like year 1 for the internet as well, it was the first year when the internet started getting mainstream attention (it was pretty much unknown in 1993), modern web surfing also started in 1994ish with NCSA Mosaic and Netscape Navigator. Bringing up 3D video games is a good point, the arcades were literally being taken over by 3D that year, compared to 1993 which was still a very 16-bit year in the arcades. In 1994, you had new arcade games such as Daytona USA, Tekken, Virtua Cop and much much more." Webpages themselves still looked very primitive in 2000, however far more people were using them. Plus, by 2000 you had sites such as Amazon, eBay, and Yahoo! making their mark, and while Google wouldn't hit its mainstream stride until around early 2002, search engines were at least a thing by 2000. Oh yeah, instant messaging was also far more common by 2000; that's a pretty deal, as it's pretty much a precursor to social media. Even with some media coverage on the Internet in 1994, the fact that Windows 95 and Internet Explorer hadn't yet been released separates that year from 2000 pretty firmly in terms of how the Internet was actually affecting everyday life. “Webpages themselves still looked very primitive in 2000, however far more people were using them.” Never disagreed. I don’t think that 94 has the exact same web developments as 2000! Obviously mp3 boom ( even thoughwould have more effect in 2000/2001) more instant messaging popularity, peak of companies, much more net mainstreamization and usage, does indeed differentiate the years but the general categories of being part of the same Web 1.0 remain. 2006 is commonly classified as Web 2.0 because of the proper start of social media ( from 04/05ish) more interactivity, dynamic web elements etc The internet being cohesive, entering the mainstream, being a proper starting point in 1994 doesn’t mean it was the same popularity as 2000. Never claimed so. “Plus, by 2000 you had sites such as Amazon, eBay, and Yahoo! making their mark, and while Google wouldn't hit its mainstream stride until around early 2002, search engines were at least a thing by 2000.“ I was using lycos and mosaic in 1994/1995 to the late 90s, then also starting using altavista In addition from 1996/1997 onwards. Everyone i knew who had internet before 2000 was using search engines from what I recall. “Oh yeah, instant messaging was also far more common by 2000; that's a pretty deal, as it's pretty much a precursor to social media” True it was pretty popular from 1998-2005 or so. Again instant messaging was not obscure in the mid to late 90s even if it wasn’t as popular. However chatting, chat rooms, forums, bulletin board posting were the primary function of online activity from 80s to 1993, even if a low percentage of people were using it, and also during the first few years of its proper stage. Since it’s very close or essentially is instant messaging, and since the inception of computers in the 1970s, I personally wouldn’t say that gives it a stronger link to modern social media or 2006, can understand it in a way... “Even with some media coverage on the Internet in 1994, the fact that Windows 95 and Internet Explorer hadn't yet been released separates that year from 2000 pretty firmly in terms of how the Internet was actually affecting everyday life” Some media coverage would classify 1991-1993. 1994 would have a decent/substantial amount. Windows 95 did indeed help contribute to the internet popularity due to more user friendly navigation and possibility being better suited for the internet and other features compared to win 3.1 and dos, however it doesnt have any bearing on topic of the similar nature and style of the internet circa 1994 and 2000. I was taking an computer course in the 1997-1998 school year and I preferred to use Netscape navigator as opposed internet explorer, internet explorer doesn’t change the same thing I was discussing imo. Actually I remember seeing in 2000-2002 various times. It was definitely another browser option then, we didn't have firefox which I remember was catching on in 06, (or around then) A lot of people I actually did not have or barely used the internet in 2000 as well. It wasn’t like they were poor. In 2000 you couldn’t just look up any given subject and get perfect or semi decent articles or get pictures of whatever you wanted which is something that became more instant and easy in the towards the end of the early 2000s and more in the mid 2000s. Also getting tons of amateur websites and fan/personal pages during searches is another that makes in lean towards 94. Lycos and Yahoo search engine still very popular in both years. Also dial up in full effect in both years - People only spending a hour or so between getting kicked off the internet by their parents or hogged the phone line same in 94-97. In 2006 was when wireless officially at some point that year replaced dial up if it hadn't in 04 or 05. A lot of people were still not online or barely using outside of those who had it or were just starting to use it regularly it in 1999/2000 as well.
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