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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 13, 2020 19:49:18 GMT 10
Things I like:
* They were the perfect balance in terms of technology. Social media was around for people to easily connect with each other and mobile phones had become affordable to the point where owning one was in reach for the majority of people, however people still had to rely on some forms of physical media to be able to consume entertainment, such as renting out a movie for the weekend from a video store or buying a CD from the likes of JB HI Fi or Sanity. The transition to the "digital age" was almost complete, but analogue forms of technology were still relevant too.
* There was still a real variety of music genres on the Top-40 charts, which, from a 2020 context, gives the noughties a huge edge over the 2010s and the present day. Genres such as rock (e.g pop-punk, garage-rock revival, post-grunge, emo), metal, hip-hop (e.g crunk, snap), teen-pop etc. were all popular and on the charts.
* People weren't as politically and/or socially divided as they are today.
* The "edginess" aesthetic that was popular during the second-half of the decade.
* The noughties were generally a decent time for movies.
Things I dislike:
* The Late 2000s were a pretty underwhelming time for kids culture. Admittedly, I am quite fond of the Late 2000s as an overall pop cultural era, but the kids-targeted trends from the era were weak in comparison to other eras. Most of the shows I was personally into as a 8/9 year old kid were actually carryover shows from the early-mid 2000s, such as "The Grim Adventures of Bill & Mandy", "Ned's Declassified", "Jimmy Neutron" etc. The kids movies weren't particularly great either. I liked Surf's Up, Kung Fu Panda and WALL-E when they were released, but movies such as Ratatouille, Shrek The Third and Monsters vs Aliens never really took my interest. The pop culture of the Late 2000s was so heavily geared towards teens that there was very little that outright appealed to kids and the trends that did were so-so.
* They were a highly mixed bag for Top-40 mainstream music. Some of the worst pop/rock songs to have ever made it onto the charts were released during the decade, such as "My Humps", "Photograph", "You're Beautiful" etc.
* The "McBling", 'excess' culture that defined the middle years of the decade.
What do you like/dislike about the 2000s?
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Post by jaydawg89 on Sept 14, 2020 10:14:04 GMT 10
Things I like:
- The Economy was pretty good from 2000 - 2007.
- There weren't actually many social issues, the social issues of the 80s & 90s was gone such as, the high crime rates, Crack, Aids being a death sentence, bullying had significantly toned down (bullying in the 90s was on a very different level, trust me) and obviously more stuff. A lot of 2010s social issues also weren't around either such as, the racial issues we saw starting in 2014 (peaking in 2017), SJWs, the far right, mass shootings and so on. I also like, how the 2000s became a lot more opened minded starting in 2004.
- The technology was at a perfect balance, it was advanced but, not too advanced. We had internet (with Wi-Fi becoming common around 2004), dumb cell phones, video gaming wasn't limited like it was in the 80s & 90s. VHS as a format was dead for the majority of the decade (everything that replaced it was much better, digital camcorders, Tivo, DVDs....), computers were in everyones home and for music, we were transitioning from CDs to digital downloads. We also had the obvious stuff such as modern cars, planes, home appliances...
- The internet culture was awesome, considering the 00s was the first full decade to have internet culture at all.
- The video gaming was awesome, it was the first full decade when video gaming was seen as a cool thing and as stated, wasn't technologically limited in the way the 80s & 90s were. For most of the 1990s, video gaming was a nerd thing, 1997 - 2000/01 was sorta a transitional phase where gaming was in the middle of a nerd thing and a cool thing. Though, I actually think the 2010s are better for gaming (I believe gaming is just getting better with better technology).
- The everyday fashion was very plain and pretty much the same as today (the only difference is that the early 2000s was baggier, by 2005, slim fitting fashion was already emerging. If you time travelled back to any year of the 2000s, you wouldn't seem out of place.
- The 2000s were mostly a pretty awesome time for movies and a quick google search will show you that.
- TV was pretty much as good as it is now, after the Sopranos premiered, the budget on TV shows increased dramatically and this is when TV shows started to be a bit more on par with movies in terms of quality. Comedy TV series started shifting away from sitcoms and weren't so limited to what could be put on TV (this led to shows such as South Park, Family Guy... pretty shows that could of never been aired in say the 1980s). Animated shows were probably at their absolute best in the 00s.
- Overall, it really seems that the 2000s are the first decade that I can truly see as "modern" in a 21st century kind of way (especially compared to the 1980s and even the 1990s), especially with the technology we had in the 2000s.
Things that I disliked:
- The 2000s were a complete disaster when it came to politics from pretty much beginning to end, which sucked compared to how chill the 90s were. I don't think I need to further explain this one.
- The economy in 2008 & 2009 sucked hard.
- The early 2000s were a really shallow minded and conformist time and you had to act a specific way to be cool/normal and not be judged (hence, why emo and hipsters took off), overall, the early 2000s were quite a boring time and a lot of the fun the 1990s had was completely stripped away. And I would hate to be a gay person in the early 2000s with all the homophobia. People always had to say "retarded" and "gay" as an insult all the time too.
- The 2000s can be very cringe looking back, especially the early-mid 2000s. I am also not a fan of the edginess that was around either (all comes off as unintentionally funny nowadays).
- The mainstream music was absolutely terrible for pretty much the whole decade and the 2010s are easily better (be aware, this is just my opinion). All the music was just super manufactured/fabricated rubbish that I couldn't stand back then (the Hip Hop in 2005 - 06 being the absolute lowest point). The mainstream music just came off as being so plastic to me.
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Post by fusefan on Sept 14, 2020 13:42:07 GMT 10
* They were a highly mixed bag for Top-40 mainstream music. Some of the worst pop/rock songs to have ever made it onto the charts were released during the decade, such as "My Humps", "Photograph", "You're Beautiful" etc. * The "McBling", 'excess' culture that defined the middle years of the decade. What do you like/dislike about the 2000s? I woke up today to an episode of the Bernie Mac Show playing on the TV playing “My Humps” The song didn’t age well and the episode was pretty dated lol. Sooooo mid-2000s.
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Post by goodbants on Sept 14, 2020 14:46:29 GMT 10
Like:
Like others have said, the technology was very balanced. Not everyone was glued to their phones all the time but you had the option to get on the internet. I like the way flip phones feel when you close them lol.
The internet wasn’t as corporate. YouTube had a small community feel and everything was more personalized. Google wasn’t always tracking your activity. Not everything you did on the internet could be traced.
Emo/scene culture. I just have this thing for it. Especially the hair.
Things weren’t so hectic. The news didn’t look like an Onion headline constantly. The president was hated, but at least mentally stable.
More optimism. Less dystopian vibes. It wasn’t super optimistic, but it was more optimistic than the late 2010s, and especially 2020. Nowadays everyone is so pessimistic.
Blissful ignorance. Climate change was just a concept to most of us, not something we saw in everyday life. People didn’t have the technology to record injustices everywhere they went and post on the internet for everyone to see. Of course, it’s good we are more aware now, but it takes a toll.
Dislike:
Rampant homophobia. The words gay and retarded were thrown around on a regular. It was generally seen as ok to mock gay people. This gave me so much anxiety growing up as I’m not straight myself. I’m sure kids nowadays have a lot easier time.
More materialism and excess. The bling bling from that period is so tacky. The bedazzled jeans, the attitude, the word Juicy on the ass.. it is all just really trashy. The 2010s have been much more sophisticated and minimalistic.
Less access to entertainment. Streaming wasn’t a thing. The amount of songs we have available to us now, basically for free, is astounding. The quality and availability of independent entertainment is amazing.
Celebrity culture. The whole Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, TMZ, paparazzi thing is not to my liking. I like it now where celebs just post stuff to their social media instead of having to read tabloids.
Stock market crash and 9/11
A lot of music was trash. I wouldn’t like it nearly as much if it weren’t for the nostalgia factor. I agree that 2010s music is better.
Kind of uninteresting. This is just my opinion, but looking back on it, the 2000s seems kinda bland and lacking in identity. Even with the tragedies, it didn’t have the “spice” that the 2010s have. Nowadays everyone is divided, lots of things are going on at once, and the world can feel surreal at times... but things are very interesting. The pop culture is so rooted in social activism, conflict, and tension. I feel like I’m actually living through history and apart of it. Like I actually have something to stand up for. The 2000s had the wars, but people were mostly apolitical about issues.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 14, 2020 16:31:56 GMT 10
- The early 2000s were a really shallow minded and conformist time and you had to act a specific way to be cool/normal and not be judged (hence, why emo and hipsters took off), overall, the early 2000s were quite a boring time and a lot of the fun the 1990s had was completely stripped away. And I would hate to be a gay person in the early 2000s with all the homophobia. People always had to say "retarded" and "gay" as an insult all the time too. That's interesting. I can actually remember the Mid 2000s being exactly as how you describe it (the kids at my primary school would use "retarded", "fa**ot" and "gay" as insults), but the Early 2000s have never given off that impression for me at least. It makes a lot of sense though. Nu-metal was huge during the Late '90s/Early 2000s and it had a very "macho, tough" image to it, so the emergence of emo later on in the decade could have been in the form of a backlash to that as well. I woke up today to an episode of the Bernie Mac Show playing on the TV playing “My Humps” The song didn’t age well and the episode was pretty dated lol. Sooooo mid-2000s. You're not wrong, it's awful, lol. I loved The Black Eyed Peas as a kid, but "My Humps" was one of the very few songs of theirs that never appealed to me whatsoever. At least I had good taste from an early age.  Emo/scene culture. I just have this thing for it. Especially the hair. I'm quite fond of it now too (mainly due to nostalgia), but I personally couldn't stand it at the time. I was a huge rock fan as a kid and I even received a proper drum kit for Christmas back in 2007, but I was never into any of the emo bands like Fall Out Boy, My Chemical Romance etc. simply because of the stigma that emo had.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 14, 2020 17:03:09 GMT 10
Things I like: - The Economy was pretty good from 2000 - 2007. - There weren't actually many social issues, the social issues of the 80s & 90s was gone such as, the high crime rates, Crack, Aids being a death sentence, bullying had significantly toned down (bullying in the 90s was on a very different level, trust me) and obviously more stuff. A lot of 2010s social issues also weren't around either such as, the racial issues we saw starting in 2014 (peaking in 2017), SJWs, the far right, mass shootings and so on. I also like, how the 2000s became a lot more opened minded starting in 2004. - The technology was at a perfect balance, it was advanced but, not too advanced. We had internet (with Wi-Fi becoming common around 2004), dumb cell phones, video gaming wasn't limited like it was in the 80s & 90s. VHS as a format was dead for the majority of the decade (everything that replaced it was much better, digital camcorders, Tivo, DVDs....), computers were in everyones home and for music, we were transitioning from CDs to digital downloads. We also had the obvious stuff such as modern cars, planes, home appliances... - The internet culture was awesome, considering the 00s was the first full decade to have internet culture at all. - The video gaming was awesome, it was the first full decade when video gaming was seen as a cool thing and as stated, wasn't technologically limited in the way the 80s & 90s were. For most of the 1990s, video gaming was a nerd thing, 1997 - 2000/01 was sorta a transitional phase where gaming was in the middle of a nerd thing and a cool thing. Though, I actually think the 2010s are better for gaming (I believe gaming is just getting better with better technology). - The everyday fashion was very plain and pretty much the same as today (the only difference is that the early 2000s was baggier, by 2005, slim fitting fashion was already emerging. If you time travelled back to any year of the 2000s, you wouldn't seem out of place. - The 2000s were mostly a pretty awesome time for movies and a quick google search will show you that. - TV was pretty much as good as it is now, after the Sopranos premiered, the budget on TV shows increased dramatically and this is when TV shows started to be a bit more on par with movies in terms of quality. Comedy TV series started shifting away from sitcoms and weren't so limited to what could be put on TV (this led to shows such as South Park, Family Guy... pretty shows that could of never been aired in say the 1980s). Animated shows were probably at their absolute best in the 00s. - Overall, it really seems that the 2000s are the first decade that I can truly see as "modern" in a 21st century kind of way (especially compared to the 1980s and even the 1990s), especially with the technology we had in the 2000s. Things that I disliked: - The 2000s were a complete disaster when it came to politics from pretty much beginning to end, which sucked compared to how chill the 90s were. I don't think I need to further explain this one. - The economy in 2008 & 2009 sucked hard. - The early 2000s were a really shallow minded and conformist time and you had to act a specific way to be cool/normal and not be judged (hence, why emo and hipsters took off), overall, the early 2000s were quite a boring time and a lot of the fun the 1990s had was completely stripped away. And I would hate to be a gay person in the early 2000s with all the homophobia. People always had to say "retarded" and "gay" as an insult all the time too. - The 2000s can be very cringe looking back, especially the early-mid 2000s. I am also not a fan of the edginess that was around either (all comes off as unintentionally funny nowadays). - The mainstream music was absolutely terrible for pretty much the whole decade and the 2010s are easily better (be aware, this is just my opinion). All the music was just super manufactured/fabricated rubbish that I couldn't stand back then (the Hip Hop in 2005 - 06 being the absolute lowest point). The mainstream music just came off as being so plastic to me. How was bullying was worse in the 90s though, what do you mean ? I felt there was definitely more liberalism and also political correctness compared to the Y2k to mid 2000s, more variety of groups as opposed to monoculture and 90s mindset was more generally more tolerant and mature. Seemed even the popular kids were dressing grunge, people were generally tolerant to differences, with some exceptions like any decade, while minorities, feminism and lgbt rights seem to have had a stronger presence compared to the 2000s and even 80s to some extent Do you think Dennis Rodman would get a pass if he first pulled off his looks in the early 2000s? The 90s comes across as more tolerant to me, I remember using the f word wasn’t the norm and was weird to use excessive. The kind of normalization of racist humor in the mid 2000s wouldn’t really pass unless you were secretly racist or at an obnoxious frat party.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Sept 14, 2020 17:20:57 GMT 10
Things I like: - The Economy was pretty good from 2000 - 2007. - There weren't actually many social issues, the social issues of the 80s & 90s was gone such as, the high crime rates, Crack, Aids being a death sentence, bullying had significantly toned down (bullying in the 90s was on a very different level, trust me) and obviously more stuff. A lot of 2010s social issues also weren't around either such as, the racial issues we saw starting in 2014 (peaking in 2017), SJWs, the far right, mass shootings and so on. I also like, how the 2000s became a lot more opened minded starting in 2004. - The technology was at a perfect balance, it was advanced but, not too advanced. We had internet (with Wi-Fi becoming common around 2004), dumb cell phones, video gaming wasn't limited like it was in the 80s & 90s. VHS as a format was dead for the majority of the decade (everything that replaced it was much better, digital camcorders, Tivo, DVDs....), computers were in everyones home and for music, we were transitioning from CDs to digital downloads. We also had the obvious stuff such as modern cars, planes, home appliances... - The internet culture was awesome, considering the 00s was the first full decade to have internet culture at all. - The video gaming was awesome, it was the first full decade when video gaming was seen as a cool thing and as stated, wasn't technologically limited in the way the 80s & 90s were. For most of the 1990s, video gaming was a nerd thing, 1997 - 2000/01 was sorta a transitional phase where gaming was in the middle of a nerd thing and a cool thing. Though, I actually think the 2010s are better for gaming (I believe gaming is just getting better with better technology). - The everyday fashion was very plain and pretty much the same as today (the only difference is that the early 2000s was baggier, by 2005, slim fitting fashion was already emerging. If you time travelled back to any year of the 2000s, you wouldn't seem out of place. - The 2000s were mostly a pretty awesome time for movies and a quick google search will show you that. - TV was pretty much as good as it is now, after the Sopranos premiered, the budget on TV shows increased dramatically and this is when TV shows started to be a bit more on par with movies in terms of quality. Comedy TV series started shifting away from sitcoms and weren't so limited to what could be put on TV (this led to shows such as South Park, Family Guy... pretty shows that could of never been aired in say the 1980s). Animated shows were probably at their absolute best in the 00s. - Overall, it really seems that the 2000s are the first decade that I can truly see as "modern" in a 21st century kind of way (especially compared to the 1980s and even the 1990s), especially with the technology we had in the 2000s. Things that I disliked: - The 2000s were a complete disaster when it came to politics from pretty much beginning to end, which sucked compared to how chill the 90s were. I don't think I need to further explain this one. - The economy in 2008 & 2009 sucked hard. - The early 2000s were a really shallow minded and conformist time and you had to act a specific way to be cool/normal and not be judged (hence, why emo and hipsters took off), overall, the early 2000s were quite a boring time and a lot of the fun the 1990s had was completely stripped away. And I would hate to be a gay person in the early 2000s with all the homophobia. People always had to say "retarded" and "gay" as an insult all the time too. - The 2000s can be very cringe looking back, especially the early-mid 2000s. I am also not a fan of the edginess that was around either (all comes off as unintentionally funny nowadays). - The mainstream music was absolutely terrible for pretty much the whole decade and the 2010s are easily better (be aware, this is just my opinion). All the music was just super manufactured/fabricated rubbish that I couldn't stand back then (the Hip Hop in 2005 - 06 being the absolute lowest point). The mainstream music just came off as being so plastic to me. How was bullying was worse in the 90s though, what do you mean ? I felt there was definitely more liberalism and also political correctness compared to the Y2k to mid 2000s, more variety of groups as opposed to monoculture and 90s mindset was more generally more tolerant and mature. Seemed even the popular kids were dressing grunge, people were generally tolerant to differences, with some exceptions like any decade, while minorities, feminism and lgbt rights seem to have had a stronger presence compared to the 2000s and even 80s to some extent Do you think Dennis Rodman would get a pass if he first pulled off his looks in the early 2000s? The 90s comes across as more tolerant to me, I remember using the f word wasn’t the norm and was weird to use excessive. The kind of normalization of racist humor in the mid 2000s wouldn’t really pass unless you were secretly racist or at an obnoxious frat party. What I meant is that the bullies were a bit more violent in general (not that there was more bullying), I've heard stories about bullies carrying knives around in the 80s/90s from older relatives and getting beat up, I never really experienced that in the 00s. I definitely do think the 90s were much more tolerant compared to the 80s and 00s.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Sept 14, 2020 17:32:35 GMT 10
- The early 2000s were a really shallow minded and conformist time and you had to act a specific way to be cool/normal and not be judged (hence, why emo and hipsters took off), overall, the early 2000s were quite a boring time and a lot of the fun the 1990s had was completely stripped away. And I would hate to be a gay person in the early 2000s with all the homophobia. People always had to say "retarded" and "gay" as an insult all the time too. That's interesting. I can actually remember the Mid 2000s being exactly as how you describe it (the kids at my primary school would use "retarded", "fa**ot" and "gay" as insults), but the Early 2000s have never given off that impression for me at least. It makes a lot of sense though. Nu-metal was huge during the Late '90s/Early 2000s and it had a very "macho, tough" image to it, so the emergence of emo later on in the decade could have been in the form of a backlash to that as well. The early 2000s were actually worse than the mid 00s believe it or not. On the otherhand, I don't really remember people being like that to the same extend in the 1990s, even 1999.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 14, 2020 17:39:44 GMT 10
How was bullying was worse in the 90s though, what do you mean ? I felt there was definitely more liberalism and also political correctness compared to the Y2k to mid 2000s, more variety of groups as opposed to monoculture and 90s mindset was more generally more tolerant and mature. Seemed even the popular kids were dressing grunge, people were generally tolerant to differences, with some exceptions like any decade, while minorities, feminism and lgbt rights seem to have had a stronger presence compared to the 2000s and even 80s to some extent Do you think Dennis Rodman would get a pass if he first pulled off his looks in the early 2000s? The 90s comes across as more tolerant to me, I remember using the f word wasn’t the norm and was weird to use excessive. The kind of normalization of racist humor in the mid 2000s wouldn’t really pass unless you were secretly racist or at an obnoxious frat party. What I meant is that the bullies were a bit more violent in general (not that there was more bullying), I've heard stories about bullies carrying knives around in the 80s/90s from older relatives and getting beat up, I never really experienced that in the 00s. I definitely do think the 90s were much more tolerant compared to the 80s and 00s. I get what you mean by that.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 14, 2020 17:54:02 GMT 10
That's interesting. I can actually remember the Mid 2000s being exactly as how you describe it (the kids at my primary school would use "retarded", "fa**ot" and "gay" as insults), but the Early 2000s have never given off that impression for me at least. It makes a lot of sense though. Nu-metal was huge during the Late '90s/Early 2000s and it had a very "macho, tough" image to it, so the emergence of emo later on in the decade could have been in the form of a backlash to that as well. The early 2000s were actually worse than the mid 00s believe it or not. On the otherhand, I don't really remember people being like that to the same extent in the 1990s, even 1999. I agree 1999 was still good. What do you think caused it? - Late 90s normie culture taken to the next level. - Reaction to 90s liberalism (too much support for fringe groups) - Backlash to 90s “decadent” youth culture (Harmful behavior associated with goth and grunge and school shooters, promotion of gangs in gangster rap or drug culture of rave) - Neo-conservatism with Bush - Libertarian comedy shows: Mega racist, sexist and homophobic messages in South Park and stand up comedy fed non stop into the heads of teens under 16 - Macho and bigoted pop rap and nu metal icons ( Eminem, Fred durst etc) - Manufactured bubblegum pop that promotes plastic princess mentality
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Post by jaydawg89 on Sept 14, 2020 18:06:55 GMT 10
The early 2000s were actually worse than the mid 00s believe it or not. On the otherhand, I don't really remember people being like that to the same extent in the 1990s, even 1999. I agree 1999 was still good. What do you caused it? - Late 90s normie culture taken to the next level. - Reaction to 90s liberalism (too much support for fringe groups) - Backlash to 90s decadent youth culture (Suicidal behavior associated with goth and grunge and school shooters, promotion of gangs in gangster rap or drug culture of rave) - Neo-conservatism with Bush - Libertarian comedy shows: Mega racist, sexist and homophobic messages in South Park and stand up comedy fed non stop into the heads of teens under 16 - Macho and bigoted pop rap and nu metal icons ( Eminem, Fred durst etc) - Manufactured bubblegum pop that promotes plastic princess mentality You pretty much just nailed the reasons very accurately. I swear that every kid I knew who wore a Fred Durst cap was always homophobic lol. There was also the obsession to act all macho as well. The bubblegum pop definitely fed into the materialism of the 2000s though, I would definitely say that the Hip Hop of the early-mid 00s definitely best shows the materialism of the 2000s, especially the whole bling bling aesthetic.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 14, 2020 19:01:28 GMT 10
I agree 1999 was still good. What do you caused it? - Late 90s normie culture taken to the next level. - Reaction to 90s liberalism (too much support for fringe groups) - Backlash to 90s decadent youth culture (Suicidal behavior associated with goth and grunge and school shooters, promotion of gangs in gangster rap or drug culture of rave) - Neo-conservatism with Bush - Libertarian comedy shows: Mega racist, sexist and homophobic messages in South Park and stand up comedy fed non stop into the heads of teens under 16 - Macho and bigoted pop rap and nu metal icons ( Eminem, Fred durst etc) - Manufactured bubblegum pop that promotes plastic princess mentality You pretty much just nailed the reasons very accurately. I swear that every kid I knew who wore a Fred Durst cap was always homophobic lol. There was also the obsession to act all macho as well. The bubblegum pop definitely fed into the materialism of the 2000s though, I would definitely say that the Hip Hop of the early-mid 00s definitely best shows the materialism of the 2000s, especially the whole bling bling aesthetic. I would assume 16 and under since I remember kids and teens that age being more volatile than todays youth. While I love south park and politically incorrect comedy I do think it was wrongly targeted to kids and teens and a lot of them don't understand the context or deeper messages. I do actually think south park largely contributed to the use of the F word and bigoted slurs and attitudes, in fact some of views of the authors are pretty right wing which didn't help. 1997 to early 1999 you would wear black lipstick and mohawk, or crazy raver costumes to class everyday and you would get weird looks and called freak every now and then but people got that style and moved on and there were a few people at your school. .In 2000-2001 you likely would do the same and get beat up every day, get called the F non stop and death threats depending on where you lived. Yeah the weird thing, is that the homophobia didn't just affect the LGBT community it affected everyone and anyone, espeically males, when just just a .00000001 cm different from the norm. There was also this really weird normalization of anti-white/reverse racism, where sometimes the line wasn't drawn between white people, generalizing people's ethnicities and politics. People think the 2010s culture is narcissistic but its more like the superficial self centered kind I actually find parts of the early 2000s and especially mid 2000s to have this kind of narcissistic spirit, as if it was led by narcissists and it was great for them or their era, I mean this is ONLY in relation to to the negative things associated with that period, its not everything, there is a lot I like about the early 2000s compared to later periods.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Sept 14, 2020 21:15:53 GMT 10
You pretty much just nailed the reasons very accurately. I swear that every kid I knew who wore a Fred Durst cap was always homophobic lol. There was also the obsession to act all macho as well. The bubblegum pop definitely fed into the materialism of the 2000s though, I would definitely say that the Hip Hop of the early-mid 00s definitely best shows the materialism of the 2000s, especially the whole bling bling aesthetic. I would assume 16 and under since I remember kids and teens that age being more volatile than todays youth. While I love south park and politically incorrect comedy I do think it was wrongly targeted to kids and teens and a lot of them don't understand the context or deeper messages. I do actually think south park largely contributed to the use of the F word and bigoted slurs and attitudes, in fact some of views of the authors are pretty right wing which didn't help. 1997 to early 1999 you would wear black lipstick and mohawk, or crazy raver costumes to class everyday and you would get weird looks and called freak every now and then but people got that style and moved on and there were a few people at your school. .In 2000-2001 you likely would do the same and get beat up every day, get called the F non stop and death threats depending on where you lived. Yeah the weird thing, is that the homophobia didn't just affect the LGBT community it affected everyone and anyone, espeically males, when just just a .00000001 cm different from the norm. There was also this really weird normalization of anti-white/reverse racism, where sometimes the line wasn't drawn between white people, generalizing people's ethnicities and politics. People think the 2010s culture is narcissistic but its more like the superficial self centered kind I actually find parts of the early 2000s and especially mid 2000s to have this kind of narcissistic spirit, as if it was led by narcissists and it was great for them or their era, I mean this is ONLY in relation to to the negative things associated with that period, its not everything, there is a lot I like about the early 2000s compared to later periods. I remember that I got called a f****t once for calling Limp Bizkit stupid. How was Limp Bizkit vs Slipknot even a thing? Like anyone with half a brain knows that Slipknot is the better band lmao. IMHO, I actually think the Boy Bands were much better than the nu metal music, that is something that you would never catch me saying in the early 00s, I would get picked on so bad if I had said that (didn't really like either genre but, if I was forced to listen to Millennium or Significant Other, I would pick Millennium without 2nd thought lol). There are definitely things I like about the early 2000s too, it was a fantastic time for animation, the movies were pretty good, the television was just getting better in my opinion (there was much more than just trashy reality TV). The technology was already mostly 21st century and modern (after the massive strides that tech had made throughout the 80s and 90s), the video games were awesome and no longer as limited. It was a much less divided time politically, people also didn't hold the same extreme political opinions that people in the late 2010s seem to commonly have, there are also much more things that I do actually like about the early 2000s.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 14, 2020 21:26:07 GMT 10
Yeah the weird thing, is that the homophobia didn't just affect the LGBT community it affected everyone and anyone, espeically males, when just just a .00000001 cm different from the norm. There was also this really weird normalization of anti-white/reverse racism, where sometimes the line wasn't drawn between white people, generalizing people's ethnicities and politics. I remember owning anything in the colour white was considered "gay". When I was thinking about getting a Nintendo DS Lite as a Christmas present when I was 9, there was an all-white coloured DS advertised in a catalogue my Mum had looked at earlier in the day and she suggested to me not to get it because a white-coloured DS would be "girly". That was back in 2008. The homophobia and politically incorrect comments continued well until the end of the decade. I remember the kids at my school still used "gay" as an insult until at least 2010.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Sept 14, 2020 21:38:11 GMT 10
Yeah the weird thing, is that the homophobia didn't just affect the LGBT community it affected everyone and anyone, espeically males, when just just a .00000001 cm different from the norm. There was also this really weird normalization of anti-white/reverse racism, where sometimes the line wasn't drawn between white people, generalizing people's ethnicities and politics. I remember owning anything in the colour white was considered "gay". When I was thinking about getting a Nintendo DS Lite as a Christmas present when I was 9, there was an all-white coloured DS advertised in a catalogue my Mum had looked at earlier in the day and she suggested to me not to get it because a white-coloured DS would be "girly". That was back in 2008. The homophobia and politically incorrect comments continued well until the end of the decade. I remember the kids at my school still used "gay" as an insult until at least 2010. 2010 is pretty much when people fully realized how ignorant it was to use gay as an insult. You could sense a change as early as 2004, some people I knew were already rockin skinny jeans in 2005/06, something you would never think of doing a few years earlier. You are definitely right, it wasn't until 2010 when this change was in full steam.
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