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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 21:11:58 GMT 10
I'm sure most of you will remember this, actually. At the same time as music was dominated by emo, going hand in hand with that was the emergence of Victorian Gothic or Suburban Gothic as the dominating aesthetic in movies marketed towards children and preteens. I believe A Series of Unfortunate Events kicked it off:
And it sparked a wildfire. Suddenly, it seemed like all children and preteen entertainment invoked this aesthetic, most likely through its arguable mastermind, Tim Burton. It included such films as Corpse Bride, Sweeney Todd, and Spiderwick Chronicles, before mysteriously disappearing around the time of Frankenweenie.
I have nothing special to say about it, except that it may be forgotten nowadays what a long shadow this aesthetic cast over the core 2000s. Why that happened, I could not say. Maybe it was the influence of emo, though I'm inclined to say it was the other way around. But hey, nothing wrong with appreciating one of the more iconic aesthetics of the period.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 21, 2020 22:16:57 GMT 10
I'm sure most of you will remember this, actually. At the same time as music was dominated by emo, going hand in hand with that was the emergence of Victorian Gothic or Suburban Gothic as the dominating aesthetic in movies marketed towards children and preteens. I believe A Series of Unfortunate Events kicked it off: And it sparked a wildfire. Suddenly, it seemed like all children and preteen entertainment invoked this aesthetic, most likely through its arguable mastermind, Tim Burton. It included such films as Corpse Bride, Sweeney Todd, and Spiderwick Chronicles, before mysteriously disappearing around the time of Frankenweenie. I have nothing special to say about it, except that it may be forgotten nowadays what a long shadow this aesthetic cast over the core 2000s. Why that happened, I could not say. Maybe it was the influence of emo, though I'm inclined to say it was the other way around. But hey, nothing wrong with appreciating one of the more iconic aesthetics of the period. Goth became more recognized and popular as a style and subculture in the mid to late 90s largely due to industrial bands, marilyn manson, nine inch nails and certain vampire/dark movies of the time using the aesthetic. In the early 2000s pop and rock groups starting using parts of the aesthetic more often and hot topic type fashion became a bit more accessible and mainstream with many more branches across North America opening up. Other examples include; more common use of guyliner, HIM, studded wrist bands, nightmare before christmas t-shirts, revival post punk groups that were a bit darker, actors playing goth roles more often etc By mid 2000s the newest wave of emo bands started appropriating the goth look, a slew of tim burton movies and other horror/dark movies start making this aesthetic even more commonplace, Emily the Strange (goth character) clothing is super mainstream and worm by celebrities such as Britney spears and Julia Roberts. You start to see this gothic influence in lots of places. Some time after circa 2006 to 2012 or so you start to see kids books and novels, toys, shows, more use of gothic graphic fonts, or fast fashion with this gothic influence. Ex. Twilight, kids gothic dolls, hipster comics, pseudo gothic imagery and fonts on shirts for toddlers at Walmart, Vans shoes etc.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 21, 2020 22:50:38 GMT 10
Yep, I remember it well. I actually associate the aesthetic with my childhood. So many of the movies and shows I personally grew up with as a kid during the mid-late 2000s were goth or emo-inspired in some way. Looking back, it was a very dark, bleak era for pop culture, and that manifested into the kids-targeted trends of the time: That's not including shows like "Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends" and "Ben 10" as well. So many of the kids shows from the mid-late 2000s revolved around death, ghosts or "dead things" in some way. Then, of course, there was the music: As for how or why it came about, it's hard to say. Could it have been in the form of a backlash to the flamboyant, upbeat early 2000s? Pop-punk and bubblegum-pop were hugely popular during the early 2000s and then there was also the hype for the new millennium as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was at least a small factor in it. Emo most likely would have had an influence on it too.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 22, 2020 1:13:03 GMT 10
Yep, I remember it well. I actually associate the aesthetic with my childhood. So many of the movies and shows I personally grew up with as a kid during the mid-late 2000s were goth or emo-inspired in some way. Looking back, it was a very dark, bleak era for pop culture, and that manifested into the kids-targeted trends of the time: That's not including shows like "Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends" and "Ben 10" as well. So many of the kids shows from the mid-late 2000s revolved around death, ghosts or "dead things" in some way. Then, of course, there was the music: As for how or why it came about, it's hard to say. Could it have been in the form of a backlash to the flamboyant, upbeat early 2000s? Pop-punk and bubblegum-pop were hugely popular during the early 2000s and then there was also the hype for the new millennium as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was at least a small factor in it. Emo most likely would have had an influence on it too. Goth aesthetic was slowly entering the mainstream in the early 2000s especially in 2002-04. I remember also seeing pop music with some kind of kind of goth influence around that time as well. You also have HIM, Placebo, The Killers and the Rasmus and Evanescence who were very mainstream and used gothic imagery or sound in addition to other groups as well. "In the early 2000s pop and rock groups starting using parts of the aesthetic more often and hot topic type fashion became a bit more accessible and mainstream with many more branches across North America opening up. Other examples include; more common use of guyliner, HIM, studded wrist bands, nightmare before christmas t-shirts, revival post punk groups that were a bit darker, actors playing goth roles more often etc "
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Post by John Titor on Sept 22, 2020 3:46:06 GMT 10
I'm sure most of you will remember this, actually. At the same time as music was dominated by emo, going hand in hand with that was the emergence of Victorian Gothic or Suburban Gothic as the dominating aesthetic in movies marketed towards children and preteens. I believe A Series of Unfortunate Events kicked it off: And it sparked a wildfire. Suddenly, it seemed like all children and preteen entertainment invoked this aesthetic, most likely through its arguable mastermind, Tim Burton. It included such films as Corpse Bride, Sweeney Todd, and Spiderwick Chronicles, before mysteriously disappearing around the time of Frankenweenie. I have nothing special to say about it, except that it may be forgotten nowadays what a long shadow this aesthetic cast over the core 2000s. Why that happened, I could not say. Maybe it was the influence of emo, though I'm inclined to say it was the other way around. But hey, nothing wrong with appreciating one of the more iconic aesthetics of the period. it's where culture was headed, emo was taking off as well so it all blended together, when Corpse Bride came out it was see as THE NEW Nightmare before Xmas. All the elements came together as well as Myspace.
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Post by fusefan on Sept 23, 2020 0:42:22 GMT 10
I guess this was an alternative to people who didn’t like the whole McBling look that dominated at the time.
HP’s marketing seemed to be about this at the time
I would post images but I can’t do it on mobile and when I try to flip it to desktop mode to upload images it brings me back to mobile page that doesn’t let me upload images. 😕
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Post by John Titor on Sept 23, 2020 1:35:15 GMT 10
I guess this was an alternative to people who didn’t like the whole McBling look that dominated at the time. HP’s marketing seemed to be about this at the time I would post images but I can’t do it on mobile and when I try to flip it to desktop mode to upload images it brings me back to mobile page that doesn’t let me upload images. 😕 I wouldn't even call it mcbling that is a terrible name just Bling or Bling Bling, I think the gothic core was condensed in the most streamline way for emo in a way that was easy to market. Emo had a lot of players in its corner (music, Myspace, Teens, Movies, commercials) this it was going to be a major success with those elements.
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Post by fusefan on Sept 23, 2020 2:03:20 GMT 10
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Post by fusefan on Sept 23, 2020 2:17:38 GMT 10
Even American idol got into it with this 2008 Ford commercial. Probably one of the most 2008 things I’ve seen.
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Post by John Titor on Sept 23, 2020 2:44:39 GMT 10
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:47:34 GMT 10
Wow, you nailed it. Yeah, now that it's all coming back to me, this vein of pop culture aesthetics also included that Alice in Wonderland movie with Johnny Depp phoning it in as the Mad Hatter. And that was 2010! This whole Victorian Gothic/Suburban Gothic thing really lasted quite a while.
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Post by John Titor on Sept 24, 2020 12:55:35 GMT 10
Wow, you nailed it. Yeah, now that it's all coming back to me, this vein of pop culture aesthetics also included that Alice in Wonderland movie with Johnny Depp phoning it in as the Mad Hatter. And that was 2010! This whole Victorian Gothic/Suburban Gothic thing really lasted quite a while. Don't forget Corpse Bride ! which had the same trailer music as nightmare before xmas haha
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 19:41:17 GMT 10
Yeah, I mentioned it in the OP.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 17, 2021 11:33:34 GMT 10
Yep, I remember it well. I actually associate the aesthetic with my childhood. So many of the movies and shows I personally grew up with as a kid during the mid-late 2000s were goth or emo-inspired in some way. Looking back, it was a very dark, bleak era for pop culture, and that manifested into the kids-targeted trends of the time: {Spoiler} That's not including shows like "Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends" and "Ben 10" as well. So many of the kids shows from the mid-late 2000s revolved around death, ghosts or "dead things" in some way. Then, of course, there was the music: As for how or why it came about, it's hard to say. Could it have been in the form of a backlash to the flamboyant, upbeat early 2000s? Pop-punk and bubblegum-pop were hugely popular during the early 2000s and then there was also the hype for the new millennium as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was at least a small factor in it. Emo most likely would have had an influence on it too. It's not necessarily a backlash against pop punk, but rather, pop punk itself becoming much darker as the mid-2000s came. You had new bands like My Chemical Romance and Simple Plan obviously expressing a darker tone. This is also why Green Day and Blink-182 remained relevant into the emo era, as with American Idiot and the self-titled album respectively, they obtained a much darker tone. When you consider how goofy those two bands were in the 90s (particularly Blink-182), seeing this shift was definitely emblematic of overall shifts in pop culture. Of course, some bands didn't do this shift. Said bands largely lost relevance come the mid-2000s. Bowling for Soup for example largely only kept their relevance because they did the theme song for Phineas and Ferb. For a great example of the pop punk shift in the mid-2000s, let's look at some songs from Green Day and Blink-182 Green DayDookie - 1994 American Idiot - 2004Blink-182 Enema of the State (1999)Blink-182 (2003)
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Post by John Titor on Apr 17, 2021 11:52:56 GMT 10
Yep, I remember it well. I actually associate the aesthetic with my childhood. So many of the movies and shows I personally grew up with as a kid during the mid-late 2000s were goth or emo-inspired in some way. Looking back, it was a very dark, bleak era for pop culture, and that manifested into the kids-targeted trends of the time: {Spoiler} That's not including shows like "Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends" and "Ben 10" as well. So many of the kids shows from the mid-late 2000s revolved around death, ghosts or "dead things" in some way. Then, of course, there was the music: As for how or why it came about, it's hard to say. Could it have been in the form of a backlash to the flamboyant, upbeat early 2000s? Pop-punk and bubblegum-pop were hugely popular during the early 2000s and then there was also the hype for the new millennium as well, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was at least a small factor in it. Emo most likely would have had an influence on it too. It's not necessarily a backlash against pop punk, but rather, pop punk itself becoming much darker as the mid-2000s came. You had new bands like My Chemical Romance and Simple Plan obviously expressing a darker tone. This is also why Green Day and Blink-182 remained relevant into the emo era, as with American Idiot and the self-titled album respectively, they obtained a much darker tone. When you consider how goofy those two bands were in the 90s (particularly Blink-182), seeing this shift was definitely emblematic of overall shifts in pop culture. Of course, some bands didn't do this shift. Said bands largely lost relevance come the mid-2000s. Bowling for Soup for example largely only kept their relevance because they did the theme song for Phineas and Ferb. For a great example of the pop punk shift in the mid-2000s, let's look at some songs from Green Day and Blink-182
it was funny watching bands like Blink 182 adapt to the new emo atmosphere of the mid 2000s. Hell even AVRIL changed as well.
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