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Post by slashpop on Sept 23, 2020 9:22:13 GMT 10
You still had some substantial degree of early 2010s style music beyond residues imo. Yes exactly a good of amount of early 2014 songs would be popular 2012. I don’t see a real strong break other than the transformations in late 2013 that defined the mid part. I see early 2014 as something like 60 percent mid 10s and 40 percent early 10s. Would be cool to expand more, if possible, with examples of different things not necessarily related to music but could be. I mentioned a few In the original post.Early-mid 2014 was the last period of political stability. There wasn't a bitter divide between the left and right. I remember seeing my friends on Facebook throughout the year. After 2014 ended, they seem to move away from it and moved to Instagram or Snapchat. Streaming didn't take over television just yet. Cable TV was quite popular despite it declining. Fashion felt more like the early 2010s than late 2010s. I remember hipsters were a huge movement in 2014 and was declining in 2016. Everything felt super connected to 2012. Which wasn’t the case in late 2014/2015 to 2017
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Post by jaydawg89 on Sept 23, 2020 13:05:42 GMT 10
Even though 2014 was mid 2010s for the most part, it felt much more connected to the early 2010s than the late 2010s.
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Post by pink.panda_v3 on Sept 23, 2020 13:56:17 GMT 10
Even though 2014 was mid 2010s for the most part, it felt much more connected to the early 2010s than the late 2010s. Yep. You can tell there were early 2010s leftovers still hanging in there. By mid 2015ish, the early 2010s were history.
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Post by Telso on Sept 23, 2020 17:43:11 GMT 10
This song is LITERALLY a remix of a very early 2010s song. That nobody knew about until this was released. A remix that heavily alters the production and puts a filter on the vocals. The source material doesn't really matter if it's very distinct from the new version. You wouldn't call the Fat Boys' 1988 version of "The Twist" early 60s just because it heavily samples the original, would you? Deep house already existed back then, but poppy melodies, indie vocals, the use of organic instruments, and a bright sound in contrast to deep house's usually reflective mood were all brand new developments for the genre that wasn't common before. There's hardly any europop songs from back then that remotely ressembles it. Especially not in the mid-2000s where house music was now less popular influence in favor of heavy trance beats. The closest I could think that might resemble it is the Romanian dance scene of the late 2000s (like "Stereo Love") that had a sort of beachy vibe too and used some brass instruments. But it was again closer to the Ibiza trance sound and was more rave-oriented while tropical house was always more of a pop style. Technically its peak was fall 2013. By early 2014 it was already falling off the charts. But anyway, like I said it's very similar indeed to her Teenage Dream singles, but with a much simpler production: Compare it to her most early 2010s-sounding single and the difference is staggering: ^Imagine her releasing a dubstep song in 2014. Oh? Besides obvious shameless rip-offs like Justin Timberlake's "Can't Stop the Feeling!", there was plenty of pop soul songs throughout the mid-2010s that seemed to have taken a influence from "Happy"'s school of minimalism, like Aloe Blacc's "The Man", R. City's "Locked Away", Adele's "Send My Love", Sam Smith's "I'm Not the Only One", Rihanna's "FourFiveSeconds" and so on.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 23, 2020 19:37:59 GMT 10
This song is LITERALLY a remix of a very early 2010s song. That nobody knew about until this was released. A remix that heavily alters the production and puts a filter on the vocals. The source material doesn't really matter if it's very distinct from the new version. You wouldn't call the Fat Boys' 1988 version of "The Twist" early 60s just because it heavily samples the original, would you? Original Song from 2010 sounds MOSTLY THE SAME and could be from anytime in 2009-2014 and the this song just songs like a speed up remix. The particularities of the subgenre and transitional state of the song is really irrelevant, to the average listener it just sounds like another songs from time period that could be released then 2011/2012/2013 most likely, it doesn't stick out as being EXCLUSIVELY mid 2010s. Not all songs always line up with musical shifts or trends. I've heard hardcore punk songs from 1973 and stuff that resembles acid house that predates the movement . This stuff wouldn't even feel out of place in europe in the mid 2000s
Deep house already existed back then, but poppy melodies, indie vocals, the use of organic instruments, and a bright sound in contrast to deep house's usually reflective mood were all brand new developments for the genre that wasn't common before. Poppy melodies, indie vocals, the use of organic instruments, and a bright sound in contrast was mostly there in mid 2012-early 2013 and even to some extent 2011/12. Stuff just doesn't fall from the sky and happen overnight in this rigid block in mid to late 2013 but transitions over time, a lot of these elements were well established by late 2012. It's not like the 2000s and 1990s where stuff is hidden to the masses until it becomes mainstream and there is stark contrast. Everything has been online and shifts are a bit different.
There's hardly any europop songs from back then that remotely ressembles it. Especially not in the mid-2000s where house music was now less popular influence in favor of heavy trance beats. The closest I could think that might resemble it is the Romanian dance scene of the late 2000s (like "Stereo Love") that had a sort of beachy vibe too and used some brass instruments. But it was again closer to the Ibiza trance sound and was more rave-oriented while tropical house was always more of a pop style. No I could see it fitting in the mid 2000s, no there some forms of generic pop/euro techno-pop style that overlaps between the decades based on this samey style even if the genres aren't completely identical. It seems sounds close and of a very similar nature that definitely not feel feel out of place if you had a time machine and put the song in a 2008 beach party in eastern europe/greece or whatever. It's not completely identical because its not of those subgenres.
Technically its peak was fall 2013. By early 2014 it was already falling off the charts. But anyway, like I said it's very similar indeed to her Teenage Dream singles, but with a much simpler production: It was STILL on the charts in early 2014 which is why i mentioned it, you can look it up, and was heavily popular and played in early to mid 2014 in general. Compare it to her most early 2010s-sounding single and the difference is staggering: ^Imagine her releasing a dubstep song in 2014. Thats just a different style that expired in the mainstream around 2014 its not representative of the entirety of the period. Oh? Besides obvious shameless rip-offs like Justin Timberlake's "Can't Stop the Feeling!", there was plenty of pop soul songs throughout the mid-2010s that seemed to have taken a influence from "Happy"'s school of minimalism, like Aloe Blacc's "The Man", R. City's "Locked Away", Adele's "Send My Love", Sam Smith's "I'm Not the Only One", Rihanna's "FourFiveSeconds" and so on. Yeah I forgot those, check some out, after giving the song another listen there is still something about the song that has more early 2010s vibes compared to these. You could say the song partially has some early 2010s, it just feels that way, in it but it makes sense to say mid 2010s at the same time, I mentioned earlier it can go both ways.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 23, 2020 20:27:34 GMT 10
You are entitled to your opinion, but a good amount of people find there to be some degree of early 2010s vibes and connections in 2014, even if it was the mid 2010s and even those things do not make up the majority of the year or even early 2014. While you and others may disagree on a number things, this still leaves some degree of something that is early 2010s in early 2014.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 23, 2020 20:45:23 GMT 10
Even though 2014 was mid 2010s for the most part, it felt much more connected to the early 2010s than the late 2010s. Yep. You can tell there were early 2010s leftovers still hanging in there. By mid 2015ish, the early 2010s were history. Yeah that's reasonable I don't get this denial of even the most blatantly obvious early 2010s things in 2014, like everything MUST FIT into the island of the mid 2010s universe because it is a separate universe from the early 2010s, when the truth is a number of things in 2013-2014 were exactly identical or a slight tweak of stuff that really peaked or became a bit more mainstream around 2012 or in other cases lean towards, resemble 09-12 or don't feel like a stong enough break from then.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Sept 23, 2020 21:55:23 GMT 10
I feel as though finding whatever small, remnant traces of early 2010s culture in 2014 is liking picking hen's teeth, because to be quite frank, 2014 was so overwhelmingly not apart of the same cultural era as late 2009-early 2013 that it shouldn't even be up for debate. I was in high school during the early-mid 2010s and even though it may have only been a two year difference, 2014 couldn't have been more different from my first year of high school a couple of years earlier. Not only had pop culture in general changed, but teen/youth culture did too. DVD's were practically dead by 2014, even if streaming itself hadn't fully taken off yet. My Mum and her fiance' used to use PirateBay (and other torrent sites) to download movies and transfer them over onto a USB, we must have went to our local video rental store once during the entire year and the only time I ever bought a DVD was for my Dad as a Christmas present. Facebook was no longer the most popular social media site among teens. Plenty of people in my grade still went on it, however most of the kids spent their time during our breaks on Snapchat or Instagram. When it comes to music, like Telso has spoken about, there's a pretty clear distinction between the music that was on the charts in 2014 and what was charting during the early 2010s cultural era. I also couldn't picture a song such as Pharrell William's "Happy" being released any earlier than it was; it's too uptempo and minimalist for it to have been released alongside the electropop tracks of 2011, for instance.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 23, 2020 22:51:41 GMT 10
I feel as though finding whatever small, remnant traces of early 2010s culture in 2014 is liking picking hen's teeth, because to be quite frank, 2014 was so overwhelmingly not apart of the same cultural era as late 2009-early 2013 that it shouldn't even be up for debate. I was in high school during the early-mid 2010s and even though it may have only been a two year difference, 2014 couldn't have been more different from my first year of high school a couple of years earlier. Not only had pop culture in general changed, but teen/youth culture did too. DVD's were practically dead by 2014, even if streaming itself hadn't fully taken off yet. My Mum and her fiance' used to use PirateBay (and other torrent sites) to download movies and transfer them over onto a USB, we must have went to our local video rental store once during the entire year and the only time I ever bought a DVD was for my Dad as a Christmas present. Facebook was no longer the most popular social media site among teens. Plenty of people in my grade still went on it, however most of the kids spent their time during our breaks on Snapchat or Instagram. When it comes to music, like Telso has spoken about, there's a pretty clear distinction between the music that was on the charts in 2014 and what was charting during the early 2010s cultural era. I also couldn't picture a song such as Pharrell William's "Happy" being released any earlier than it was; it's too uptempo and minimalist for it to have been released alongside the electropop tracks of 2011, for instance. I guess we just disagree. I think we were all pretty much there and it was just 6 years ago. Many other people seem to agree that there are noteworthy connections between the two periods, even if they aren't that drastic or overwhelming, between the two. It has been brought up before as well. It is undeniable that it was the mid 2010s in 2014 and things were different than the early 2010s but I personally wouldn't reduce those influences down to picking hen's teeth, like you could with any given year. DVDs/Blurays from what I remember were still the standard even if renting was dead and people were buying less physical or original media than before. I remember Netflix getting big in late 2014/2015. I do feel like things from mid 2012 to early 2013 in particular, I would say the most out of the early 2010s, seem to be vaguely carried into the period, be it fashion, music or style sometimes with more modifications. Not every single thing vanished into thin air or expired like in 2015ish but just continued on through mid 2013-mid 2014 and often times blended into the very early mid 2010s atmosphere in that time. The music and vibe largely already changed in mid to late 2013 but those early 2010s hanging elements were there imo and the in the opinion of others, you guys can disagree but I still feel this way, and see certain songs and still being innovative songs that could have been made in both eras. Also I think we underestimate how things were already mostly set up in early 2010s and how many things carried through from then. Music was only one topic.I can still picture Happy being released earlier but then again I did underestimate its impact, its fair to say it mid at the same time. While I don't mostly disagree on topic of music/genre history or the overall period and that the fact the music back then was different, I still mostly stand by the few songs, and others not listed, that I still feel could pass earlier, I don't completely agree with his points which isn't taking into account the broader shared similar and general musical approaches/techniques/aesthetics between 09-12 and 13-14 (especially compared to later) also that the base and general 2010s identity was pretty much set in 09-11, even with differences and modifications later, also the fact that a lot of songs lean to early, seem identical to the average person, or contain elements of early 2010s that later did not happen. I guess we just disagree. Nobody thinks by 2014 music was not largely mid 2010s. I still stand by what I perceive to by early 2010s aspects in early 2014.
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Post by mc98 on Sept 24, 2020 0:32:25 GMT 10
Honestly, I think late 2013 has more visible early 2010s leftovers than early 2014 did.
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Post by slashpop on Sept 24, 2020 2:40:37 GMT 10
Honestly, I think late 2013 has more visible early 2010s leftovers than early 2014 did. Not by much imo. They are practically almost the same. Spring/Summer 2013 has the most actually, and I guess at some point towards the second half of 2014 going into 2015 the early 2010s start to feel distant and dated.
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Post by Telso on Sept 24, 2020 2:55:05 GMT 10
Original Song from 2010 sounds MOSTLY THE SAME and could be from anytime in 2009-2014 and the this song just songs like a speed up remix. The particularities of the subgenre and transitional state of the song is really irrelevant, to the average listener it just sounds like another songs from time period that could be released then 2011/2012/2013 most likely, it doesn't stick out as being EXCLUSIVELY mid 2010s. It's not a just speed up remix, the Robin Shulz version is structured very much like a house song with drops and "four on the flour" beats to dance to, unlike the original. Don't be ridiculous. It does indeed stick out as exclusively mid-2010s, since popular house songs in the early 2010s like say "Don't You Worry Child" had a far busier, synthier, grandier sound and feel. "Prayer in C (Remix)" marked a shift where mainstream house songs could be warmer and softer and less festival-friendly instead. I was talking about tropical house relative to older deep house. Please don't twist discussion threads like that. The use of indie vocals and organic instruments in 2011-2013 EDM was pretty much non-existent. There were not well established in late 2012, simply because tropical house trends didn't exist yet. Simple as that. Shifts can indeed happen pretty quickly in music and 2 years can be enough to see trends being dropped in favor newer ones. Transitions can indeed happen over a long time, but they can also happen very rapidly. A good example would be 1962 still mostly being defined by doo-wop, 50s-style ballads and watered down rock & roll, while in 1964 the British Invasion was in full swing. And I could not see it fitting at all. Again, (electronic) europop songs in the mid-2000s were the complete opposite of the relaxed "Prayer in C (Remix)" if anything:
That's VERY specific. IMO it tells a lot if a super popular song in one era could only be played in a very specific place in another. There're two very popular Katy Perry pop singles still. It's very telling if one song's style already expired in a certain year.
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Post by rainbow on Sept 24, 2020 3:09:22 GMT 10
2014 definitely still had some early 2010’s leftovers, specifically when it came to music. Something like “Summer” by Calvin Harris wouldn’t sound that out of place in 2012.
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Post by mc98 on Sept 24, 2020 3:34:33 GMT 10
Here's a list of 2014 songs that wouldn't sound out of place in 2011-2012:
Summer All of Me Break Free A Sky Full of Stars Budapest Rude Timber Pompeii
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