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Post by mc98 on Oct 2, 2020 13:30:11 GMT 10
Which decade is the 90s culturally closer to?
This is a tough pick but I would go with the 2010s.
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Post by rainbow on Oct 2, 2020 13:57:16 GMT 10
I’d say more like the 1970’s tbh.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 2, 2020 19:34:26 GMT 10
A very interesting question. Culturally, they are more like today, the technology was probably more like the 70s though if I had to pick.
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Post by Telso on Oct 2, 2020 21:29:14 GMT 10
Technology by far closer to the 2010s. Even if the advancements of the 2000s made 90s technology pretty dated feeling by 2010, you had things like the internet, CDs, personal computers becoming ubiquitous, portable phones and video games being super mainstream (and even 3D video games by the end of the decade). In many ways, 2010s technology was a just much more polished and improved version of 90s technology. While 70s technology was much more rudimentary and lacking, and way closer to the 50s than the 90s.
1990s music on the other hand is closer to the 1970s IMO. Even though the 90s had electronica and hip hop, both of them still had their precursors in the 70s. Hip hop in particular, even though now coming with gangsta lyrics, was still funky and bouncy quite similarly to late 70s disco rap, in stark contrast to the harsh and gritty hip hop sounds of 2010s. Sampling culture was also still a bit rudimentary in the 90s, while completely perfected with the technological advances of the 2010s.
Rock music was also a major genre in both the 70s and 90s. Soft rock and its direct descendent, adult contemporary, were also huge in both decades, not as much by the 2010s. Not to mention how big of an influence 70s music had on the 90s in general, like 70s funk and soul on 90s R&B, disco on 90s pop and eurodance basically being a modernized version of disco. In comparison, the 90s had a more minimal influence on 2010s music.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 2, 2020 22:12:01 GMT 10
Technology by far closer to the 2010s. Even if the advancements of the 2000s made 90s technology pretty dated feeling by 2010, you had things like the internet, CDs, personal computers becoming ubiquitous, portable phones and video games being super mainstream (and even 3D video games by the end of the decade). In many ways, 2010s technology was a just much more polished and improved version of 90s technology. While 70s technology was much more rudimentary and lacking, and way closer to the 50s than the 90s. 1990s music on the other hand is closer to the 1970s IMO. Even though the 90s had electronica and hip hop, both of them still had their precursors in the 70s. Hip hop in particular, even though now coming with gangsta lyrics, was still funky and bouncy quite similarly to late 70s disco rap, in stark contrast to the harsh and gritty hip hop sounds of 2010s. Sampling culture was also still a bit rudimentary in the 90s, while completely perfected with the technological advances of the 2010s. Rock music was also a major genre in both the 70s and 90s. Soft rock and its direct descendent, adult contemporary, were also huge in both decades, not as much by the 2010s. Not to mention how big of an influence 70s music had on the 90s in general, like 70s funk and soul on 90s R&B, disco on 90s pop and eurodance basically being a modernized version of disco. In comparison, the 90s had a more minimal influence on 2010s music. When it comes to tech, I'm not exactly confident where it leans but, the internet was pretty uncommon in homes until 1998ish (and it was still very primitive), not many people actually had cellphones (my grandad was the only person I knew who had one) and computers weren't very common in homes yet until 1995 (they were definitely standard in workplaces/schools for the whole decade though). You had stuff like Cable TV, Video Games, CDs (first popular digital music platform) and computers being standard over type writers but, mainly the first half of the 90s felt so analogue still. The rise of Hip Hop culture in the late 80s has such an affect on popular culture to this very day, when it comes to music (obviously), fashion, the way youth speaks and modern slang. Also, stylistically the 90s are much more like today, you can time travel back to the 90s and not stick out but, the 70s would be a completely different story. Just my 2 cents really.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 2, 2020 22:15:36 GMT 10
1990-1994 closer to the 70s. 1995 to 1999 closer to the 2010s.
1990, especially the first half, literally had a few holdovers from the 70s, like rounded combed back and brushed hair to the side, 70s glasses still visible, some TVs that would pass in the late 70s, Atari 2600s and games still being released in stores. This was a bit less in 1990-1991.
1999, especially the second half, laid down a lot of the foundation for music and pop culture that 2010s was closely and directly based on, certain electronica and pop hits don’t necessarily sound drastically different and could pass in 10s or wouldn't feel really out of place on current mix tape. The futuristic aesthetic that peaked then hasn’t completely gone away and is still a common interior design look or used as a style choice.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 2, 2020 22:17:57 GMT 10
1990-1994 closer to the 70s. 1995 to 1999 closer to the 2010s. 1990, especially the first half, literally had a few holdovers from the 70s, like rounded combed back and brushed hair to the side, 70s glasses still visible, some TVs that would pass in the late 70s, Atari 2600s and games still being released in stores. This was a bit less in 1990-1991. 1999, especially the second half, laid down a lot of the foundation for music and pop culture that 2010s was closely and directly based on, certain electronica and pop hits don’t necessarily sound drastically different and could pass in either year or wouldn't feel really out of place on current mix tape. The futuristic aesthetic that peaked then hasn’t completely gone away and is still an interior design look or used as a style choice. Pretty much agree with this, it's a pretty equal split, that's why it's such an interesting question.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 2, 2020 22:33:20 GMT 10
1990-1994 closer to the 70s. 1995 to 1999 closer to the 2010s. 1990, especially the first half, literally had a few holdovers from the 70s, like rounded combed back and brushed hair to the side, 70s glasses still visible, some TVs that would pass in the late 70s, Atari 2600s and games still being released in stores. This was a bit less in 1990-1991. 1999, especially the second half, laid down a lot of the foundation for music and pop culture that 2010s was closely and directly based on, certain electronica and pop hits don’t necessarily sound drastically different and could pass in either year or wouldn't feel really out of place on current mix tape. The futuristic aesthetic that peaked then hasn’t completely gone away and is still an interior design look or used as a style choice. Pretty much agree with this, it's a pretty equal split, that's why it's such an interesting question. Even things that peaked in first half of 90s and 80s like old house, synth pop, electronic music, hip hop, new wave heavy metal, glam metal, punk etc All really based on new music that started on the mid to late 1970s. 1973-1979. Then 1965-1971 to a lesser degree. I see the most music of the 2000s and 2010s-present. All really based on new music from 1999-2005. Then 1994-1998 to a lesser degree.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Oct 2, 2020 23:37:59 GMT 10
I think they had more cultural similarities with the 2010s overall.
In terms of technology, the existence of the World Wide Web and the popularisation of the internet during the second-half of the decade instantly gives them closer ties with the present day. The internet may not have been as much of an integral part of people's lives, but the fact that the technology was so readily available in people's homes really sets the decade apart from the 1970s. Personal computers and mobile phones had both become affordable for lower and middle-income families, especially by the last few years of the decade. Also, CDs and VCR players were standard in the '90s, whereas portable music listening on the go wasn't even possible for the majority of people during the '70s until the Walkman was commercially released towards the end of the decade.
The impression I've always had is that in comparison with the 1980s and especially the 1970s, the '90s were a much more progressive time in terms of acceptance of people from minority groups and backgrounds. One example which instantly comes to mind for me personally is the Season 8 episode of The Simpsons, "Homer's Phobia". The episode is based on Homer's fear that his new friend's homosexuality will have a negative influence on Bart, but by the end of it, Homer comes to accept his friend's homosexuality and tells Bart that he will support him no matter how he chooses to live his life. When the episode first went to air in 1997, it received an overwhelmingly positive response from viewers and critics. As another example, I watched a 1995 drama film for the first time earlier today titled The Cure, a movie about a 13 year old boy who befriends an 11 year old who has contracted AIDS and the two of them go on a journey together to try and find a cure for it. It also paints the mother of the 13 year old in a bad light (she has a prejudice against AIDS) by depicting her as an emotionally and physically abusive mother. It's quite evident that there had been a significant shift in the general perceptions towards the LGBTI community and people from other minority backgrounds in comparison to what they were like twenty years earlier, when LGBTI people were still regularly stigmatised and even arrested by police in some areas/countries.
It was also more progressive in other areas too. The breakthrough of alternative-rock in late 1991 resulted in topics such as depression, suicide and self-harm becoming less taboo. Whereas previous incarnations of rock had mostly focused on sex, partying and generally having a good time, the emergence of alt-rock in the mainstream changed all that and suddenly it became okay to talk about your feelings and express your inner-most feelings of sadness. The face of the subculture, Kurt Cobain, regularly campaigned for women's rights and asked all-female bands to co-headline a show with Nirvana. There was obviously still a long way to go (Ellen DeGeneres' career almost came to an end after she came out as a lesbian), but it's clear that a lot of social progress had been made over time and that attitudes towards minority groups were more on the "accepting" side of things.
The film industry of the '90s definitely had much more in common with the 2010s. Blockbusters may have emerged for the first time during the second-half of the '70s thanks to the success of Jaws and Star Wars, however the decade itself was defined by the "New Hollywood" age of cinema. Opening credits were still quite often used in '70s movies. The cinematic practices of films from the '90s are still routinely used today, such as multiple camera angles being used every five seconds or so (to maintain the interest of viewers) and the emphasis on characters as a plot device. Also, the first feature-length animated CGI film (Toy Story) was released in 1995, which again suggests that the decade as a whole has closer ties with the 2010s.
When it comes to music though, I think it depends on what you choose to focus on. I would say the music industry itself actually has more similarities with the '70s, considering the fact that chart positions were still entirely dependent on physical sales and there was still something of a monoculture in the 1990s. If you wanted to listen to new music, you had to rely on the radio or music channels such as MTV. There was no YouTube or Spotify back then! In regards to the actual music on the charts though, I personally believe it has more similarities with the 2010s. Rock may have still been the most popular genre of music in the Top-40, but hip-hop and dance music (e.g Eurodance, new-jack swing) had also become quite significant in their own right and both of those genres were in their infancies during the '70s, whereas they largely defined the music of the 2010s.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 3, 2020 0:19:19 GMT 10
I think they had more cultural similarities with the 2010s overall. In terms of technology, the existence of the World Wide Web and the popularisation of the internet during the second-half of the decade instantly gives them closer ties with the present day. The internet may not have been as much of an integral part of people's lives, but the fact that the technology was so readily available in people's homes really sets the decade apart from the 1970s. Personal computers and mobile phones had both become affordable for lower and middle-income families, especially by the last few years of the decade. Also, CDs and VCR players were standard in the '90s, whereas portable music listening on the go wasn't even possible for the majority of people during the '70s until the Walkman was commercially released towards the end of the decade. The impression I've always had is that in comparison with the 1980s and especially the 1970s, the '90s were a much more progressive time in terms of acceptance of people from minority groups and backgrounds. One example which instantly comes to mind for me personally is the Season 8 episode of The Simpsons, "Homer's Phobia". The episode is based on Homer's fear that his new friend's homosexuality will have a negative influence on Bart, but by the end of it, Homer comes to accept his friend's homosexuality and tells Bart that he will support him no matter how he chooses to live his life. When the episode first went to air in 1997, it received an overwhelmingly positive response from viewers and critics. As another example, I watched a 1995 drama film for the first time earlier today titled The Cure, a movie about a 13 year old boy who befriends an 11 year old who has contracted AIDS and the two of them go on a journey together to try and find a cure for it. It also paints the mother of the 13 year old in a bad light (she has a prejudice against AIDS) by depicting her as an emotionally and physically abusive mother. It's quite evident that there had been a significant shift in the general perceptions towards the LGBTI community and people from other minority backgrounds in comparison to what they were like twenty years earlier, when LGBTI people were still regularly stigmatised and even arrested by police in some areas/countries. It was also more progressive in other areas too. The breakthrough of alternative-rock in late 1991 resulted in topics such as depression, suicide and self-harm becoming less taboo. Whereas previous incarnations of rock had mostly focused on sex, partying and generally having a good time, the emergence of alt-rock in the mainstream changed all that and suddenly it became okay to talk about your feelings and express your inner-most feelings of sadness. The face of the subculture, Kurt Cobain, regularly campaigned for women's rights and asked all-female bands to co-headline a show with Nirvana. There was obviously still a long way to go (Ellen DeGeneres' career almost came to an end after she came out as a lesbian), but it's clear that a lot of social progress had been made over time and that attitudes towards minority groups were more on the "accepting" side of things. The film industry of the '90s definitely had much more in common with the 2010s. Blockbusters may have emerged for the first time during the second-half of the '70s thanks to the success of Jaws and Star Wars, however the decade itself was defined by the "New Hollywood" age of cinema. Opening credits were still quite often used in '70s movies. The cinematic practices of films from the '90s are still routinely used today, such as multiple camera angles being used every five seconds or so (to maintain the interest of viewers) and the emphasis on characters as a plot device. Also, the first feature-length animated CGI film ( Toy Story) was released in 1995, which again suggests that the decade as a whole has closer ties with the 2010s. When it comes to music though, I think it depends on what you choose to focus on. I would say the music industry itself actually has more similarities with the '70s, considering the fact that chart positions were still entirely dependent on physical sales and there was still something of a monoculture in the 1990s. If you wanted to listen to new music, you had to rely on the radio or music channels such as MTV. There was no YouTube or Spotify back then! In regards to the actual music on the charts though, I personally believe it has more similarities with the 2010s. Rock may have still been the most popular genre of music in the Top-40, but hip-hop and dance music (e.g Eurodance, new-jack swing) had also become quite significant in their own right and both of those genres were in their infancies during the '70s, whereas they largely defined the music of the 2010s. You got some really good points. I'm still quite iffy on the tech part though. Compared to the 1980s, the 90s were a pretty progressive decade but, still not as much compared to the 2010s. Socially speaking, they are without a doubt more like today than the 1970s, the point that people still openly said the n word in the 70s is enough to prove that point lol. When it comes to movies, I feel like the 70s (especially the first half) had a very slow & old fashion feel compared to the more fast paced blockbusters of the 90s. The new use of CGI was quite a cool thing at the time too. For music, people really overrated how popular rock was in the 90s, it was popular but, it definitely wasn't the most popular. The most popular genre of the 90s was definitely R&B chart-wise. I definitely do agree that the musical trends of the 90s much better resembled the 2010s rather than the 70s.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 3, 2020 1:01:46 GMT 10
I think they had more cultural similarities with the 2010s overall. In terms of technology, the existence of the World Wide Web and the popularisation of the internet during the second-half of the decade instantly gives them closer ties with the present day. The internet may not have been as much of an integral part of people's lives, but the fact that the technology was so readily available in people's homes really sets the decade apart from the 1970s. Personal computers and mobile phones had both become affordable for lower and middle-income families, especially by the last few years of the decade. Also, CDs and VCR players were standard in the '90s, whereas portable music listening on the go wasn't even possible for the majority of people during the '70s until the Walkman was commercially released towards the end of the decade. The impression I've always had is that in comparison with the 1980s and especially the 1970s, the '90s were a much more progressive time in terms of acceptance of people from minority groups and backgrounds. One example which instantly comes to mind for me personally is the Season 8 episode of The Simpsons, "Homer's Phobia". The episode is based on Homer's fear that his new friend's homosexuality will have a negative influence on Bart, but by the end of it, Homer comes to accept his friend's homosexuality and tells Bart that he will support him no matter how he chooses to live his life. When the episode first went to air in 1997, it received an overwhelmingly positive response from viewers and critics. As another example, I watched a 1995 drama film for the first time earlier today titled The Cure, a movie about a 13 year old boy who befriends an 11 year old who has contracted AIDS and the two of them go on a journey together to try and find a cure for it. It also paints the mother of the 13 year old in a bad light (she has a prejudice against AIDS) by depicting her as an emotionally and physically abusive mother. It's quite evident that there had been a significant shift in the general perceptions towards the LGBTI community and people from other minority backgrounds in comparison to what they were like twenty years earlier, when LGBTI people were still regularly stigmatised and even arrested by police in some areas/countries. It was also more progressive in other areas too. The breakthrough of alternative-rock in late 1991 resulted in topics such as depression, suicide and self-harm becoming less taboo. Whereas previous incarnations of rock had mostly focused on sex, partying and generally having a good time, the emergence of alt-rock in the mainstream changed all that and suddenly it became okay to talk about your feelings and express your inner-most feelings of sadness. The face of the subculture, Kurt Cobain, regularly campaigned for women's rights and asked all-female bands to co-headline a show with Nirvana. There was obviously still a long way to go (Ellen DeGeneres' career almost came to an end after she came out as a lesbian), but it's clear that a lot of social progress had been made over time and that attitudes towards minority groups were more on the "accepting" side of things. The film industry of the '90s definitely had much more in common with the 2010s. Blockbusters may have emerged for the first time during the second-half of the '70s thanks to the success of Jaws and Star Wars, however the decade itself was defined by the "New Hollywood" age of cinema. Opening credits were still quite often used in '70s movies. The cinematic practices of films from the '90s are still routinely used today, such as multiple camera angles being used every five seconds or so (to maintain the interest of viewers) and the emphasis on characters as a plot device. Also, the first feature-length animated CGI film ( Toy Story) was released in 1995, which again suggests that the decade as a whole has closer ties with the 2010s. When it comes to music though, I think it depends on what you choose to focus on. I would say the music industry itself actually has more similarities with the '70s, considering the fact that chart positions were still entirely dependent on physical sales and there was still something of a monoculture in the 1990s. If you wanted to listen to new music, you had to rely on the radio or music channels such as MTV. There was no YouTube or Spotify back then! In regards to the actual music on the charts though, I personally believe it has more similarities with the 2010s. Rock may have still been the most popular genre of music in the Top-40, but hip-hop and dance music (e.g Eurodance, new-jack swing) had also become quite significant in their own right and both of those genres were in their infancies during the '70s, whereas they largely defined the music of the 2010s. I hear what you saying. I feel like movies earlier in the 90s decade tend to lean towards the 80s/70s in spirit though. Sometimes movies from 1983-1984 are interchangeable with those from 1990 or early 1991. Scarface, Beverly Hills Cop and Ghostbusters could have been filmed in 1990 imo. In terms of progressivism, even if it wasn't perfect a lot of stuff about civil rights, open mindedness towards sexuality/free love, minority rights, women's rights and liberalism really took off in the mid to late 60s and early 70s. More or growing LGBT acceptance, from what I've understood, came around in the early to mid 70s and glam rock like david bowie, marc boland and t-rex were part of the fabric of the mainstream and did actually help normalize it to some extent and promote things like questioning traditional gender identity as well. You had people who weren't LGBT who were dressing androgynous and glam rock make up in public. I think the latter half of the 70s may have been more conservative in varying degrees depending where you lived. The more I think about it I think the hippies and boomers of the 60s/70s may have been more liberal in certain respects than the youth of the 2010s but it could be the opposite. It's hard to assess. I think in the late 70s and early 80s specifically the new wave, post punk and new romantic scenes, including the after effect of original punk movement which was also actually mainstream as well, did spark an alternative mindset than had an impact on greater culture in terms of being critical, questioning authority and expressing individualism at least on some level. You could also see the impact on design trends, popular clothing etc Also groups like cure, sisters of mercy and depeche mood had melacholic themes compared more manufactured mid to late 80s culture that was more conservative, corporate. Tbh there more I think about I don't think the entirely of the 2010s was super progressive, it was more centered in the mid 2010s. While a lot of music still continues I feel like the by the end of the 90s, there was a like reset button and lots of new things from then were like base of quite a number of things from the 2010s.
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Post by astropoug on Mar 20, 2022 13:46:31 GMT 10
It definitely depends on which aspects you focus on, but I'd say the 2010s mostly because of things like video games being not only a major industry, but also becoming a legitimate medium of art and fiction in their own right, as evidenced by games like Final Fantasy VII and Ocarina of Time that came out. 70s video games on the other hand are insanely primitive. It was mostly titles like Pong for much of the decade. Game consoles were something most people didn't own, and most game consoles were dedicated consoles only capable of playing Pong. The fact that PCs were commonplace and already had GUIs. And 90s PCs are not that different from the inside compared to even modern PCs. Have you seen computers from the 70s? Even home computers like the Commodore PET look INSANELY primitive by today's standards (awful keyboard, no color, no sound, either no or primitive graphics), let alone what was common throughout the decade, which were minicomputers such as the PDP-11. The rise of computer graphics and CGI in everything from movies to video games to general aesthetics really makes it feel very different from the more vintage 70s. Presence of pop culture that was uncommon or nonexistent in the 70s such as adult animation. Cable TV was popular. Whilst the internet was primitive in the 90s, the fact is it DID at least exist, and especially by the latter half, you had people making webpages, and that whole culture would eventually give rise to social media and the ilk. Also, cellphones existed in the 90s, and didn't in the 70s. Videotapes and camcorders existed in the 90s. People could record their lives and record their favorite shows and movies.
Music is the exception, it's closer to the 70s than 2010s because you had rock music. However, you did have hip-hop which just got started and very few gave a shit about in the 70s, vs the 90s and 2010s.
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