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Post by slashpop on Oct 18, 2020 21:19:35 GMT 10
Just thinking about it the other day I think late 1992 is typically seen as latter part of the early 90s, which it is, but outside of stereotypical early 90s trends unique to that time, I think it contained a lot of things that carried through in certain ways to the late 90s up until 2002 or so.
Here are some:
- 3d gaming - Wolfenstein 3d, Alone in the dark, some of the first big landmark revolutionary PC games come out totally foreign to the world of 1988-1991/92. Just just started to have more 3d arcade choices in 1992 compared to earlier 90s which had a few
- Baggy jeans - This is when it was almost fully mainstream - Baggy jeans were just starting to starting to become popular in 1991/92 in hip hop and skateboarding styles and bit earlier in england with madchester music.
- Techno music - Not eurodance or cheesy early 90s music or electronica but the kind of elevator or super repetitive techno
- Caterpillar boots, classic old school puma sneakers, khakis, earth colors and urban vibes in fashion, hints of 70s influence sort of start appearing more
- Ironic and retro throwback graphics and shirts start appearing a bit more around this time
- Beanie Hats , backwards more tight fitting baseball caps, and chainwallets more mainstream
- Casual Goatees and shaved hair become more visible
- Marvel and DC franchise boom - Xmen and Batman cartoons are launched, spawn comic in launched, collecting comics gets really popular, even though it kind started a bit earlier
- Hip hop a bit closer to the mid 90s : Stuff like the chronic and red man comes to mind
- Really early post or light grunge and alternative metal. Stuff like Tool, Rage Against the Machine, Therapy come to mind
- Skateboarding Popsicle boards slighly closer to the standard model
- Movies lean towards the core 90s than the pure early 90s.
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Post by mc98 on Oct 19, 2020 0:34:10 GMT 10
I don't think late 1992 really made that much of an impact to be honest. It was extremely early 90s and most stuff then were dated by 1996/97.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 19, 2020 1:24:01 GMT 10
I don't think late 1992 really made that much of an impact to be honest. It was extremely early 90s and most stuff then were dated by 1996/97. No so much of a literal impact as much as a number of things that first appeared then and carried through. Again I was just talking about a few things that carried through to roughly 1997-2002, not really the early 90s parts of the late 1992 which were many. Its more about the being first period with the starting points and influences that carried through. People have claimed this to be 1993 but I think late 1992 is more accurate.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 19, 2020 16:33:13 GMT 10
I don't think late 1992 really made that much of an impact to be honest. It was extremely early 90s and most stuff then were dated by 1996/97. When I see hip hop music videos in retrospect from late 1992-1994, sometimes the rappers’ style or just the vibes in those videos seem a bit closer to late 90s and early 2000s than 1990 or 1991 as well.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 19, 2020 19:13:22 GMT 10
Late 1992 does look a bit different from 1990/1991 but, not too dramatic. I guess there are things that late 1992 shares in common with the latter 90s.
Looking back though, I still believe it's still more of a early 90s time, Grunge was still huge and very influential aesthetically, the internet wasn't commercial yet, 3D games weren't a thing at all yet, we were still very deep into the 16-bit era, the overwhelming majority of people did not have a computer at home, that futuristic Y2K aesthetic was pretty much non-existent, people still kept old tech around in their homes for a long time, pop-punk having no mainstream influence at all yet and obviously more stuff.
Also, media in late 1992/1993 still has a bit of a retroness to it, that is noticably absent in the mid-late 90s and especially the 2000s.
With movies adopting that 90s vibe, I feel like most movies from 1991 already had a strong 90s feel to them too.
However, late 1992 is probably when we got the earliest hints of the early 90s era phasing out, New Jack Swing as a movement wasn't as strong as it was prior (it was still popular though), fashion was becoming a lot more toned down, gangsta rap was hitting its peak period (which went from late 1992 - mid 1996), Slow R&B was also becoming king of the charts around this time too. There's clearly more stuff I missed out as well.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 19, 2020 22:50:27 GMT 10
Late 1992 does look a bit different from 1990/1991 but, not too dramatic. I guess there are things that late 1992 shares in common with the latter 90s. Looking back though, I still believe it's still more of a early 90s time, Grunge was still huge and very influential aesthetically, the internet wasn't commercial yet, 3D games weren't a thing at all yet, we were still very deep into the 16-bit era, the overwhelming majority of people did not have a computer at home, that futuristic Y2K aesthetic was pretty much non-existent, people still kept old tech around in their homes for a long time, pop-punk having no mainstream influence at all yet and obviously more stuff. Also, media in late 1992/1993 still has a bit of a retroness to it, that is noticably absent in the mid-late 90s and especially the 2000s. With movies adopting that 90s vibe, I feel like most movies from 1991 already had a strong 90s feel to them too. However, late 1992 is probably when we got the earliest hints of the early 90s era phasing out, New Jack Swing as a movement wasn't as strong as it was prior (it was still popular though), fashion was becoming a lot more toned down, gangsta rap was hitting its peak period (which went from late 1992 - mid 1996), Slow R&B was also becoming king of the charts around this time too. There's clearly more stuff I missed out as well. I'm not saying that late 1992 or the actual period (1992-1993) as a whole is the start or mostly connected the latter 90s but rather a few aspects. I think it is the earliest period to have a decent amount of starting points related to things associated with then, again not a as whole. As a whole I think the closest would be late 94. Oh of course its early 90s year, I have fond memories of that period and I don't underestimate the early 90sness of it, but ultimately it has some foreign elements which make it hard to be considered a pure early 90s period even if it was still quite an early 90s year and even if certain trends were in the midst of peaking. I was simply mentioning it as the earliest period to have enough starting points of certain things that peaked or stayed in 1997 to 2002 or so. I see it more like a transitional early 90s period along with 1993 to mid 1994 and it definitely is looking more and more like the mid 1990s with clear mid/core 90s incoming elements that can't be ignored, you can even stretch it to the second half of 1992. The first half of 1992 feels more like extension of 1991. The more I think about it late 1992 to summer of 1994 is kind of an era of its own. There used to be trend on here stating that 1993 is the start of it this, but it my opinion its late 1992 Grunge was peaking but you also had alt metal and the other musc which peaked in the mid to late 90s/early 2000s that first had degree of proper air time, attention and early start in late 1992 : Rage against the Machine, Tool, helmet etc. Early pop punk - NOFX had a few singles in 1992 aired on MTV I think then bad religion signed to a major in mid 1993 and more more pop friendly alternative artists around late 1992 ex the 4 non blondes and also artists like Jamiroquai . Even by late 1992 many dedicated hard rock fans found grunge a bit too commercialized, when it reached the point that it was adopted by big fashion designers and so on even Kurt cobain wore a shirt saying grunge is dead photographed in late 1992... this is contrast to year like 1990-91. a lot of rapper fashion in late 1992 doesn't give off pure early 90s vibes - you start to see more and more big chunky pants, untied timbaland shoes, army camo, super basic hair or shaved heads, super long white shirts, earthy colors that would pass at any point in 1995 to 1998-9 or so. A lot of the basic repetitive techno you heard in 1999-2001 really sounded exact the same in late 1992-93 where it seems to be eariest point where that sound was the closest, back then it was played in nightclubs and was just one genre next to hardcore, rave, eurodance, jungle, acid house etc as opposed to the soundtrack to everything like the early 2000s and to some extent y2k era. Also a lot of skateboarders by late 1992 were dressing closer to Y2K era limp bizkit clones ten year before, you wouldn't even think it was the early 90s. It lost its colorful pure early 90s vibe in 1992 and went something sort of resembling cartoony full on mid to late 90s white boy hip hop style. I would say some of the futuristic style was just starting to shape but would solidify more by 1994-1995. I think prodigy was becoming more popular in general before aol and compuserve in universities and businesses was not an obscure thing, there were quite a number of people using them, also 92 is noted for being the first time photos are uploaded to the internet and I'm sure there a more websites than 1991, which isn't much, but yeah it was in the dark ages and not making a significant enough impact until a few years later. For sure, 3d games were not a thing as whole but this is the first period with few genre defining pc games that have 3d graphics that mark a new standard and act as a building block and gateway towards later. You also had a lot of 3d flight sims by then You have a few more arcade games: Virtua Racing and also Starblade gets more popular among others which also pave the way for the genre and the namco style 3d arcade games a few years later which become more of thing throughout the mid and late 90s. Also starfox will be released a few months later at this time.
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Post by mc98 on Oct 20, 2020 0:07:54 GMT 10
The grunge movement was still connected with the 1990/91 phase more than the radio-friendly post grunge of the late 90s. Fashion was starting to get toned down but there was still an early 90s flavor in fashion. Starblade was a 3d game that was released in 1991.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 20, 2020 0:49:23 GMT 10
The grunge movement was still connected with the 1990/91 phase more than the radio-friendly post grunge of the late 90s. Fashion was starting to get toned down but there was still an early 90s flavor in fashion. Starblade was a 3d game that was released in 1991. True but starblade was just becoming more popular, it's just a random example of a 3d game. I remember seeing in a lot more of those starblade machines across different arcades in 92-93 compared to earlier, kinda like of the house of the dead where you would find everywhere in 97-00 compared to 96, of that era in a way. I remember people lining up to play it around that time. You had a number of stand out games in 3d by late 1992 even if there weren’t that many and it wasn't an established genre yet, this is also when cds start becoming more of the format of choice for PC games and for the future consoles, things like the sega CD start reaffirming this even though not everyone had it. I wouldn’t say it’s more connected to its 1990-1991 phase, which you can lump 1989 with .Its exited that phase by late 1991, yeah it was closer to 1991-1992 phase but a bit different. Grunge, in 92-93, was just starting to be get more commerialized and starting to become more of a marketing technique or strategy etc again it was mega popular and peak era for the genre far away from the actual late 90s but certain softer alternative acts had some styles that would later influence that stuff start appearing as earlier as late 1992-1993. Other genres example I mentioned were just starting out from that time as well, not peaking, point being its about starting point individual comparisons not full overall year. I've mentioned this a number of times. I'm not denying the clearly pop cultural early 90s aspects of an early 90s year but you can't deny that certain things clearly have more in common with the mid 90s and a number of things, even if it isn't the majority, are starting points for things that carried onto 2000-2002 ex. baggy pants and timbs and elevator techno, on some level.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 20, 2020 0:53:39 GMT 10
Late 1992 does look a bit different from 1990/1991 but, not too dramatic. I guess there are things that late 1992 shares in common with the latter 90s. Looking back though, I still believe it's still more of a early 90s time, Grunge was still huge and very influential aesthetically, the internet wasn't commercial yet, 3D games weren't a thing at all yet, we were still very deep into the 16-bit era, the overwhelming majority of people did not have a computer at home, that futuristic Y2K aesthetic was pretty much non-existent, people still kept old tech around in their homes for a long time, pop-punk having no mainstream influence at all yet and obviously more stuff. Also, media in late 1992/1993 still has a bit of a retroness to it, that is noticably absent in the mid-late 90s and especially the 2000s. With movies adopting that 90s vibe, I feel like most movies from 1991 already had a strong 90s feel to them too. However, late 1992 is probably when we got the earliest hints of the early 90s era phasing out, New Jack Swing as a movement wasn't as strong as it was prior (it was still popular though), fashion was becoming a lot more toned down, gangsta rap was hitting its peak period (which went from late 1992 - mid 1996), Slow R&B was also becoming king of the charts around this time too. There's clearly more stuff I missed out as well. I'm not saying that late 1992 or the actual period (1992-1993) as a whole is the start or mostly connected the latter 90s but rather a few aspects. I think it is the earliest period to have a decent amount of starting points related to things associated with then, again not a as whole. As a whole I think the closest would be late 94. Oh of course its early 90s year, I have fond memories of that period and I don't underestimate the early 90sness of it, but ultimately it has some foreign elements which make it hard to be considered a pure early 90s period even if it was still quite an early 90s year and even if certain trends were in the midst of peaking. I was simply mentioning it as the earliest period to have enough starting points of certain things that peaked or stayed in 1997 to 2002 or so. I see it more like a transitional early 90s period along with 1993 to mid 1994 and it definitely is looking more and more like the mid 1990s with clear mid/core 90s incoming elements that can't be ignored, you can even stretch it to the second half of 1992. The first half of 1992 feels more like extension of 1991. The more I think about it late 1992 to summer of 1994 is kind of an era of its own. There used to be trend on here stating that 1993 is the start of it this, but it my opinion its late 1992 Grunge was peaking but you also had alt metal and the other musc which peaked in the mid to late 90s/early 2000s that first had degree of proper air time, attention and early start in late 1992 : Rage against the Machine, Tool, helmet etc. Early pop punk - NOFX had a few singles in 1992 aired on MTV I think then bad religion signed to a major in mid 1993 and more more pop friendly alternative artists around late 1992 ex the 4 non blondes and also artists like Jamiroquai . Even by late 1992 many dedicated hard rock fans found grunge a bit too commercialized, when it reached the point that it was adopted by big fashion designers and so on even Kurt cobain wore a shirt saying grunge is dead photographed in late 1992... this is contrast to year like 1990-91. a lot of rapper fashion in late 1992 doesn't give off pure early 90s vibes - you start to see more and more big chunky pants, untied timbaland shoes, army camo, super basic hair or shaved heads, super long white shirts, earthy colors that would pass at any point in 1995 to 1998-9 or so. A lot of the basic repetitive techno you heard in 1999-2001 really sounded exact the same in late 1992-93 where it seems to be eariest point where that sound was the closest, back then it was played in nightclubs and was just one genre next to hardcore, rave, eurodance, jungle, acid house etc as opposed to the soundtrack to everything like the early 2000s and to some extent y2k era. Also a lot of skateboarders by late 1992 were dressing closer to Y2K era limp bizkit clones ten year before, you wouldn't even think it was the early 90s. It lost its colorful pure early 90s vibe in 1992 and went something sort of resembling cartoony full on mid to late 90s white boy hip hop style. I would say some of the futuristic style was just starting to shape but would solidify more by 1994-1995. I think prodigy was becoming more popular in general before aol and compuserve in universities and businesses was not an obscure thing, there were quite a number of people using them, also 92 is noted for being the first time photos are uploaded to the internet and I'm sure there a more websites than 1991, which isn't much, but yeah it was in the dark ages and not making a significant enough impact until a few years later. For sure, 3d games were not a thing as whole but this is the first period with few genre defining pc games that have 3d graphics that mark a new standard and act as a building block and gateway towards later. You also had a lot of 3d flight sims by then You have a few more arcade games: Virtua Racing and also Starblade gets more popular among others which also pave the way for the genre and the namco style 3d arcade games a few years later which become more of thing throughout the mid and late 90s. Also starfox will be released a few months later at this time. I definitely agree with late 1992 to mid 1994 being a period of its own actually, in late 1992, the early 90s were first starting to decline in cultural significance for the points that you have stated. The fashion at the time was becoming noticably different/more toned down too. I feel like looking back, the fashion wasn't as neon colored compared to 1990 - mid 1992, with more darker/earthy colors becoming the norm. The bald look was also something I noticed that emerged in late 1992 (and is still common today), in the 80s and earlier 90s, it was very rare for men to clean shave their heads.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 21, 2020 0:29:52 GMT 10
I'm not saying that late 1992 or the actual period (1992-1993) as a whole is the start or mostly connected the latter 90s but rather a few aspects. I think it is the earliest period to have a decent amount of starting points related to things associated with then, again not a as whole. As a whole I think the closest would be late 94. Oh of course its early 90s year, I have fond memories of that period and I don't underestimate the early 90sness of it, but ultimately it has some foreign elements which make it hard to be considered a pure early 90s period even if it was still quite an early 90s year and even if certain trends were in the midst of peaking. I was simply mentioning it as the earliest period to have enough starting points of certain things that peaked or stayed in 1997 to 2002 or so. I see it more like a transitional early 90s period along with 1993 to mid 1994 and it definitely is looking more and more like the mid 1990s with clear mid/core 90s incoming elements that can't be ignored, you can even stretch it to the second half of 1992. The first half of 1992 feels more like extension of 1991. The more I think about it late 1992 to summer of 1994 is kind of an era of its own. There used to be trend on here stating that 1993 is the start of it this, but it my opinion its late 1992 Grunge was peaking but you also had alt metal and the other musc which peaked in the mid to late 90s/early 2000s that first had degree of proper air time, attention and early start in late 1992 : Rage against the Machine, Tool, helmet etc. Early pop punk - NOFX had a few singles in 1992 aired on MTV I think then bad religion signed to a major in mid 1993 and more more pop friendly alternative artists around late 1992 ex the 4 non blondes and also artists like Jamiroquai . Even by late 1992 many dedicated hard rock fans found grunge a bit too commercialized, when it reached the point that it was adopted by big fashion designers and so on even Kurt cobain wore a shirt saying grunge is dead photographed in late 1992... this is contrast to year like 1990-91. a lot of rapper fashion in late 1992 doesn't give off pure early 90s vibes - you start to see more and more big chunky pants, untied timbaland shoes, army camo, super basic hair or shaved heads, super long white shirts, earthy colors that would pass at any point in 1995 to 1998-9 or so. A lot of the basic repetitive techno you heard in 1999-2001 really sounded exact the same in late 1992-93 where it seems to be eariest point where that sound was the closest, back then it was played in nightclubs and was just one genre next to hardcore, rave, eurodance, jungle, acid house etc as opposed to the soundtrack to everything like the early 2000s and to some extent y2k era. Also a lot of skateboarders by late 1992 were dressing closer to Y2K era limp bizkit clones ten year before, you wouldn't even think it was the early 90s. It lost its colorful pure early 90s vibe in 1992 and went something sort of resembling cartoony full on mid to late 90s white boy hip hop style. I would say some of the futuristic style was just starting to shape but would solidify more by 1994-1995. I think prodigy was becoming more popular in general before aol and compuserve in universities and businesses was not an obscure thing, there were quite a number of people using them, also 92 is noted for being the first time photos are uploaded to the internet and I'm sure there a more websites than 1991, which isn't much, but yeah it was in the dark ages and not making a significant enough impact until a few years later. For sure, 3d games were not a thing as whole but this is the first period with few genre defining pc games that have 3d graphics that mark a new standard and act as a building block and gateway towards later. You also had a lot of 3d flight sims by then You have a few more arcade games: Virtua Racing and also Starblade gets more popular among others which also pave the way for the genre and the namco style 3d arcade games a few years later which become more of thing throughout the mid and late 90s. Also starfox will be released a few months later at this time. I definitely agree with late 1992 to mid 1994 being a period of its own actually, in late 1992, the early 90s were first starting to decline in cultural significance for the points that you have stated. The fashion at the time was becoming noticably different/more toned down too. I feel like looking back, the fashion wasn't as neon colored compared to 1990 - mid 1992, with more darker/earthy colors becoming the norm. The bald look was also something I noticed that emerged in late 1992 (and is still common today), in the 80s and earlier 90s, it was very rare for men to clean shave their heads. Yeah it definitely makes sense. This is how I see the difference: Late 1989 to Summer 1990: (The semi-official start of the 90s but significant late 80s holdovers mixed in) Second half of 1990 - Summer of 1992: (The purest early 90s - the true start of 90s) - 80s influences there but a lot less 80s even in late 1990 - Last gasp of nes and genesis and snes are just beginning to have decent libraries and gain good amount of popularity - Start of popularity of grunge and peak of classic and golden age alternative rock, house and hip hop - Longer curtained or parted hair and hairflips quite common can get away with mullet - High top fade variations - Soulpatches - Peak of old school roughly drawn simpsons and merchandise - Loud colors - both a mix of 90s colors and 80s neon colors - Peak of TMNT fad - Saved by the Bell, Beverely Hills 91210, Twin Peaks - Skateboarding still has has 80s elements even though its different - You can get away with wearing fashion from 1988-1989 Autumn 1992 to early summer of 1994 : (The transitional early 90s - a mix of pure early 90s and mid 90s) - 80s influences still visible here and there but not too much; - Last gasp of TMNT popularity and nes is barely hanging but not dead - Simpsons progressively get drawn better by the year but still kind of sketchy - Peak of Snes and Genesis - Peak of Beavis and Butthead and Ren and Stimpy - Peak of grunge - Standard curtained hair, ,long or grunge hair, shaved heads, basic hair - Growing popularity of alt metal, indie, punky alternative, groove metal and more accessible hard rock/grunge - Different kinds of electronic music more mainstream : eurodance, breakbeat hardcore, early techno and rave - Gangsta rap rises in popularity - Hip hop diversifies and starts loosing more and more 89-91 aesthetics while they are still aren't technically gone - Dark, grunge graphic style and Gen X aesthetic and attitude more predominant - Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter 2 - Comics have a darker tone and rise of comic and card popularity - Marvel and DC increasingly popular - Classic Dos 90s shareware games and the PC gaming rising in popularity - Baggy pants and ripped grunge jeans are popular at the same time - 70s and early 80s retro nostalgia is just kind of starting ex. afros and references to 70s things on t-shirts - Looks a bit more subdued from the pure early 90s, incoming mid 90s elements progressively appear - Shows like Mad about you, Are you afraid of the dark, Eek the cat, Addams family series Summer-autumn 1994 to spring/summer 1996: (Official mid 90s : mid 90s with a sprinkle of late 90s) - Most 80s influences are gone, a few remain - TMNT are totally dead replaced by Power Rangers - Simpsons officially super tightly drawn - Deliberately short cut hair, braided hair and cornrows, bleached hair, grunge hair, shorter or just more preppy curtains or bowl cuts - Basketball and basketball card collecting is massive - Peak of Pogs - Peak of Goosebumps - Peak of Spiderman, X-men and Superhero franchises in comics, cartoons and cards - Peak of Eurodance - Peak of baggy pants - Gangsta Rap is huge - PC gaming and 3DO are hot - Snes more popular the the Genesis but both are still massive - Launch of the Playstation, Sega Saturn, Sega 32X - Enough variety of early 3d games - Subdued look and light grunge fashion pretty popular - Rave is super colorful and quite big - Internet has wider media coverage is more developed, with more websites and usage drastically increases - Goth has mainstream presence - Increasing hip hop influence in pop culture - No fear shirts and posters - Androgynous fashion - Skateboarding, snowboarding and the X-games and extreme sports getting more mainstream - Hip hop officially gets closer to the style of the latter half of the 90s - Grunge is still popular but starting to wane with the death of cobain and other factors - Post grunge, pop punk, industrial, nu metal, ska, rap-rock, and alt metal are increasingly popular - Trip hop, electronica, hardcore techno, gabber and jungle music are increasing popular - Earliest cohesive Y2K asthetics and throwback and fusion graphics - Subdued and simple looks a bit more common than earlier - a few hints and overlaps with the late 90s - Shows like Friends, My so called life, MadTV, ER and reboot
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Post by slashpop on Oct 22, 2020 19:37:05 GMT 10
The music video kinda sums up late 1992 and its connection the mid and core 90s. I don't think music video could be recorded in 1990 or 1991-92, although it seems very very close.
This one too:
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 24, 2020 16:47:06 GMT 10
I definitely agree with late 1992 to mid 1994 being a period of its own actually, in late 1992, the early 90s were first starting to decline in cultural significance for the points that you have stated. The fashion at the time was becoming noticably different/more toned down too. I feel like looking back, the fashion wasn't as neon colored compared to 1990 - mid 1992, with more darker/earthy colors becoming the norm. The bald look was also something I noticed that emerged in late 1992 (and is still common today), in the 80s and earlier 90s, it was very rare for men to clean shave their heads. Yeah it definitely makes sense. This is how I see the difference: Late 1989 to Summer 1990: (The semi-official start of the 90s but significant late 80s holdovers mixed in) Second half of 1990 - Summer of 1992: (The purest early 90s - the true start of 90s) - 80s influences there but a lot less 80s even in late 1990 - Last gasp of nes and genesis and snes are just beginning to have decent libraries and gain good amount of popularity - Start of popularity of grunge and peak of classic and golden age alternative rock, house and hip hop - Longer curtained or parted hair and hairflips quite common can get away with mullet - High top fade variations still a common sight - Soulpatches - Peak of old school roughly drawn simpsons and merchandise - Loud colors - both a mix of 90s colors and 80s neon colors - Peak of TMNT fad - Saved by the Bell, Beverely Hills 91210 - Skateboarding still has has 80s elements even though its different - You can get away with wearing fashion from 1988-1989 Autumn 1992 to early summer of 1994 : (The transitional early 90s - a mix of pure early 90s and mid 90s) - 80s influences still visible here and there but not too much; - Last gasp of TMNT popularity and nes is barely hanging but not dead - Simpsons progressively get drawn better by the year but still kind of sketchy - Peak of Snes and Genesis - Peak of Beavis and Butthead and Ren and Stimpy - Peak of grunge - Standard curtained hair, ,long or grunge hair, shaved heads, basic hair - Growing popularity of alt metal, indie, punky alternative, groove metal and more accessible hard rock/grunge - Different kinds of electronic music more mainstream : eurodance, breakbeat hardcore, early techno and rave - Gangsta rap rises in popularity - Hip hop diversifies and starts loosing more and more 89-91 aesthetics while they are still aren't technically gone - Dark, grunge graphic style and Gen X aesthetic and attitude more predominant - Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter 2 - Comics have a darker tone and rise of comic and card popularity - Marvel and DC increasingly popular - Classic Dos 90s shareware games and the PC gaming rising in popularity - Baggy pants and ripped grunge jeans are popular at the same time - 70s and early 80s retro nostalgia is just kind of starting ex. afros and references to 70s things on t-shirts - Looks a bit more subdued from the pure early 90s, incoming mid 90s elements progressively appear Summer-autumn 1994 to spring/summer 1996: (Official mid 90s : mid 90s with a sprinkle of late 90s) - Most 80s influences are gone, a few remain - TMNT are totally dead replaced by Power Rangers - Simpsons officially super tightly drawn - Deliberately short cut hair, braided hair and cornrows, bleached hair, grunge hair, shorter or just more preppy curtains or bowl cuts - Basketball and basketball card collecting is massive - Peak of Pogs - Peak of Goosebumps - Peak of Spiderman, X-men and Superhero franchises in comics, cartoons and cards - Peak of Eurodance - Peak of baggy pants - Gangsta Rap is huge - PC gaming and 3DO are hot - Snes more popular the the Genesis but both are still massive - Launch of the Playstation, Sega Saturn, Sega 32X - Enough variety of early 3d games - Subdued look and light grunge fashion pretty popular - Rave is super colorful and quite big - Internet has wider media coverage is more developed, with more websites and usage drastically increases - Goth has mainstream presence - Increasing hip hop influence in pop culture - No fear shirts and posters - Androgynous fashion - Skateboarding, snowboarding and the X-games and extreme sports getting more mainstream - Hip hop officially gets closer to the style of the latter half of the 90s - Grunge is still popular but starting to wane with the death of cobain and other factors - Post grunge, pop punk, industrial, nu metal, ska, rap-rock, and alt metal are increasingly popular - Trip hop, electronica, hardcore techno, gabber and jungle music are increasing popular - Earliest cohesive Y2K asthetics and throwback and fusion graphics - Subdued and simple looks a bit more common than earlier - a few hints and overlaps with the late 90s Entirely agree with this. The interesting part about fashion in the early 90s was that when 1990 hit, it was uncool to wear anything made before 1989 (so I've heard). It seems in 1990 that people were trying to make pop culture as different from the 80s as possible and people started saying "it's the 90s" as an excuse for anything. It seems that in the list, mid/late 1990 - mid 1992 and mid/late 1994 - mid 1996 had the clearest/most distinct cultural identity.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 24, 2020 17:53:53 GMT 10
Yeah it definitely makes sense. This is how I see the difference: Late 1989 to Summer 1990: (The semi-official start of the 90s but significant late 80s holdovers mixed in) Second half of 1990 - Summer of 1992: (The purest early 90s - the true start of 90s) - 80s influences there but a lot less 80s even in late 1990 - Last gasp of nes and genesis and snes are just beginning to have decent libraries and gain good amount of popularity - Start of popularity of grunge and peak of classic and golden age alternative rock, house and hip hop - Longer curtained or parted hair and hairflips quite common can get away with mullet - High top fade variations still a common sight - Soulpatches - Peak of old school roughly drawn simpsons and merchandise - Loud colors - both a mix of 90s colors and 80s neon colors - Peak of TMNT fad - Saved by the Bell, Beverely Hills 91210 - Skateboarding still has has 80s elements even though its different - You can get away with wearing fashion from 1988-1989 Autumn 1992 to early summer of 1994 : (The transitional early 90s - a mix of pure early 90s and mid 90s) - 80s influences still visible here and there but not too much; - Last gasp of TMNT popularity and nes is barely hanging but not dead - Simpsons progressively get drawn better by the year but still kind of sketchy - Peak of Snes and Genesis - Peak of Beavis and Butthead and Ren and Stimpy - Peak of grunge - Standard curtained hair, ,long or grunge hair, shaved heads, basic hair - Growing popularity of alt metal, indie, punky alternative, groove metal and more accessible hard rock/grunge - Different kinds of electronic music more mainstream : eurodance, breakbeat hardcore, early techno and rave - Gangsta rap rises in popularity - Hip hop diversifies and starts loosing more and more 89-91 aesthetics while they are still aren't technically gone - Dark, grunge graphic style and Gen X aesthetic and attitude more predominant - Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter 2 - Comics have a darker tone and rise of comic and card popularity - Marvel and DC increasingly popular - Classic Dos 90s shareware games and the PC gaming rising in popularity - Baggy pants and ripped grunge jeans are popular at the same time - 70s and early 80s retro nostalgia is just kind of starting ex. afros and references to 70s things on t-shirts - Looks a bit more subdued from the pure early 90s, incoming mid 90s elements progressively appear Summer-autumn 1994 to spring/summer 1996: (Official mid 90s : mid 90s with a sprinkle of late 90s) - Most 80s influences are gone, a few remain - TMNT are totally dead replaced by Power Rangers - Simpsons officially super tightly drawn - Deliberately short cut hair, braided hair and cornrows, bleached hair, grunge hair, shorter or just more preppy curtains or bowl cuts - Basketball and basketball card collecting is massive - Peak of Pogs - Peak of Goosebumps - Peak of Spiderman, X-men and Superhero franchises in comics, cartoons and cards - Peak of Eurodance - Peak of baggy pants - Gangsta Rap is huge - PC gaming and 3DO are hot - Snes more popular the the Genesis but both are still massive - Launch of the Playstation, Sega Saturn, Sega 32X - Enough variety of early 3d games - Subdued look and light grunge fashion pretty popular - Rave is super colorful and quite big - Internet has wider media coverage is more developed, with more websites and usage drastically increases - Goth has mainstream presence - Increasing hip hop influence in pop culture - No fear shirts and posters - Androgynous fashion - Skateboarding, snowboarding and the X-games and extreme sports getting more mainstream - Hip hop officially gets closer to the style of the latter half of the 90s - Grunge is still popular but starting to wane with the death of cobain and other factors - Post grunge, pop punk, industrial, nu metal, ska, rap-rock, and alt metal are increasingly popular - Trip hop, electronica, hardcore techno, gabber and jungle music are increasing popular - Earliest cohesive Y2K asthetics and throwback and fusion graphics - Subdued and simple looks a bit more common than earlier - a few hints and overlaps with the late 90s Entirely agree with this. The interesting part about fashion in the early 90s was that when 1990 hit, it was uncool to wear anything made before 1989 (so I've heard). It seems in 1990 that people were trying to make pop culture as different from the 80s as possible and people started saying "it's the 90s" as an excuse for anything. It seems that in the list, mid/late 1990 - mid 1992 and mid/late 1994 - mid 1996 had the clearest/most distinct cultural identity. I was a kid and we would wear older clothes but from what I gather 1988-1989 clothes were nearly identical to 1989-1990, with the 1989-1990 having a few more 90ish elements. 1990-1991 is bit less 80s but still a lot of stuff from late 88ish was fine and still in style. Technically you could wear stuff from late 88 to 90 in late 1992-early 1994 and it wasn't that uncommon or dated even thought the latest style was changing, it was part of the era to have both styles, and you could do this to lesser extent in 1994-1995 at the very most ironically, as there was flexibility where someone in 1994 could look cutting edge and closer to 1998 and another person could dress like 1989 and there was nothing weird or problematic about it. This was mostly gone by 1996-1998 and a total fashion crime by 1999-2000. I think people underestimated how 90s 1989-1990 is because people cherry pick random videos or yearbook photographs. If that were the case than 2001 would be 1995. I think its more of mid point between the late 80s and early 90s but also the unofficial start of the 90s with strong late 80s elements, a hybrid culture with the last substantial feeling of 80s cultural influence. Here is one for 1989-1990 Long curtained hairstyles are increasing popular, jeans get looser, 90s colors and casual fashion creeping in and getting closer to 1991 even if there a good amount of late and core 80s holdovers mixed in. Launch of the Simpsons, Seinfeld, Baywatch, Tales from the crypt 90s sound elements in big pop hits are more common than late 1986 to mid 1989 House inspired dance music, hip hop, alternative rock seem to have more presence in charts than earlier. Launch of the TurboGrafx 16, Genesis and Gameboy Last proper hype surrounding the Nes games with Super Mario Bros 3 and the Powerglove Koosh balls getting bigger TMNT getting really massive and launch of the film Toys like batman, robocop, beetlejuice based on films for adults may have helped would inspire or continue the tradition of certain style of movie figures in the early to late 90s by brands such as kenner, even though these were the edgiest ones.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Oct 24, 2020 18:22:01 GMT 10
Entirely agree with this. The interesting part about fashion in the early 90s was that when 1990 hit, it was uncool to wear anything made before 1989 (so I've heard). It seems in 1990 that people were trying to make pop culture as different from the 80s as possible and people started saying "it's the 90s" as an excuse for anything. It seems that in the list, mid/late 1990 - mid 1992 and mid/late 1994 - mid 1996 had the clearest/most distinct cultural identity. I was a kid and we would wear older clothes but from what I gather 1988-1989 clothes were nearly identical to 1989-1990, with the 1989-1990 having a few more 90ish elements. 1990-1991 is bit less 80s but still a lot of stuff from late 88ish was fine and still in style. Technically you could wear stuff from late 88 to 90 in late 1992-early 1994 and it wasn't that uncommon or dated even thought the latest style was changing, it was part of the era to have both styles, and you could do this to lesser extent in 1994-1995 at the very most ironically, as there was flexibility where someone in 1994 could look cutting edge and closer to 1998 and another person could dress like 1989 and there was nothing weird or problematic about it. This was mostly gone by 1996-1998 and a total fashion crime by 1999-2000. I think people underestimated how 90s 1989-1990 is because people cherry pick random videos or yearbook photographs. If that were the case than 2001 would be 1995. I think its more of mid point between the late 80s and early 90s but also the unofficial start of the 90s with strong late 80s elements, a hybrid culture with the last substantial feeling of 80s cultural influence. Here is one for 1989-1990 Long curtained hairstyles are increasing popular, jeans get looser, 90s colors and casual fashion creeping in and getting closer to 1991 even if there a good amount of late and core 80s holdovers mixed in. Launch of the Simpsons, Seinfeld, Baywatch, Tales from the crypt 90s sound elements in big pop hits are more common than late 1986 to mid 1989 House inspired dance music, hip hop, alternative rock seem to have more presence in charts than earlier. Launch of the TurboGrafx 16, Genesis and Gameboy Last proper hype surrounding the Nes games with Super Mario Bros 3 and the Powerglove Koosh balls getting bigger TMNT getting really massive and launch of the film Toys like batman, robocop, beetlejuice based on films for adults may have helped would inspire or continue the tradition of certain style of movie figures in the early to late 90s by brands such as kenner, even though these were the edgiest ones. People always cherry pick things from each year to make it seem a lot older than it actually is. You'll see people cherry pick the oldest/retro looking stuff from say 2003 and state that it was like the 90s still, when we know that was definitely not the case at all. I also see late 1989/early 1990 as very inbetween the 80s and 90s. For music, I think Hip Hop, House and New Jack Swing were the most responsible genres for shifting us from the 80s to the 90s. Interestingly, those genres evolved quite a lot too between the late 80s and early 90s, 1988 new jack swing sounded a bit more primitive (such as the use of gated drums) but by 1991, new jack swing had a much more slicker/groovier sound to it.
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Post by slashpop on Oct 24, 2020 20:44:18 GMT 10
I was a kid and we would wear older clothes but from what I gather 1988-1989 clothes were nearly identical to 1989-1990, with the 1989-1990 having a few more 90ish elements. 1990-1991 is bit less 80s but still a lot of stuff from late 88ish was fine and still in style. Technically you could wear stuff from late 88 to 90 in late 1992-early 1994 and it wasn't that uncommon or dated even thought the latest style was changing, it was part of the era to have both styles, and you could do this to lesser extent in 1994-1995 at the very most ironically, as there was flexibility where someone in 1994 could look cutting edge and closer to 1998 and another person could dress like 1989 and there was nothing weird or problematic about it. This was mostly gone by 1996-1998 and a total fashion crime by 1999-2000. I think people underestimated how 90s 1989-1990 is because people cherry pick random videos or yearbook photographs. If that were the case than 2001 would be 1995. I think its more of mid point between the late 80s and early 90s but also the unofficial start of the 90s with strong late 80s elements, a hybrid culture with the last substantial feeling of 80s cultural influence. Here is one for 1989-1990 Long curtained hairstyles are increasing popular, jeans get looser, 90s colors and casual fashion creeping in and getting closer to 1991 even if there a good amount of late and core 80s holdovers mixed in. Launch of the Simpsons, Seinfeld, Baywatch, Tales from the crypt 90s sound elements in big pop hits are more common than late 1986 to mid 1989 House inspired dance music, hip hop, alternative rock seem to have more presence in charts than earlier. Launch of the TurboGrafx 16, Genesis and Gameboy Last proper hype surrounding the Nes games with Super Mario Bros 3 and the Powerglove Koosh balls getting bigger TMNT getting really massive and launch of the film Toys like batman, robocop, beetlejuice based on films for adults may have helped would inspire or continue the tradition of certain style of movie figures in the early to late 90s by brands such as kenner, even though these were the edgiest ones. People always cherry pick things from each year to make it seem a lot older than it actually is. You'll see people cherry pick the oldest/retro looking stuff from say 2003 and state that it was like the 90s still, when we know that was definitely not the case at all. I also see late 1989/early 1990 as very inbetween the 80s and 90s. For music, I think Hip Hop, House and New Jack Swing were the most responsible genres for shifting us from the 80s to the 90s. Interestingly, those genres evolved quite a lot too between the late 80s and early 90s, 1988 new jack swing sounded a bit more primitive (such as the use of gated drums) but by 1991, new jack swing had a much more slicker/groovier sound to it. Yeah I agree. I also think late 1989 is kinda of insperable from the first half of 1990 as pop cultural era. I would include alternative as well. Even freestyle music tends to sound more 90s in 89-90 and you have a big reduction of 80s synthenzier sounds in music then as well. I don't think cds blew up overnight 1991 or 1992, it likely closer to around 1989-1990 but it hard to tell exactly since you had to be old enough to be a regular music consumer or have researched this. This is the first big new jack swing hit single, all the way from late 1987. Ironically there is some new jack stuff from early 1988 that has more core 80s sound mixed it. I think this would still pass in 89-91.
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