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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 2, 2020 9:07:38 GMT 10
The release of My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade in Late 2006 was emo's huge breakthrough into the mainstream, and combined with Steve Irwin's passing in September of that year, it just seemed as though we were heading into a new era. The way you feel about late 2006 is exactly how I feel about 2007 in general. There was nothing mid 2000s about it, it was culturally different from 2005/06 and especially in comparison with 2004. I agree that late 2006 was heading towards the late 2000s but I disagree with the statement bolded. There were still loads of mid 2000s things in late 2006 that would be able to fit in 2004-2005. I was actually referring to 2007. I agree that the second-half of 2006 still had a lot of Mid 2000s cultural trends and influences.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 2, 2020 9:11:41 GMT 10
The release of My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade in Late 2006 was emo's huge breakthrough into the mainstream, and combined with Steve Irwin's passing in September of that year, it just seemed as though we were heading into a new era. The way you feel about late 2006 is exactly how I feel about 2007 in general. There was nothing mid 2000s about it, it was culturally different from 2005/06 and especially in comparison with 2004. I agree that late 2006 was heading towards the late 2000s but I disagree with the statement bolded. There were still loads of mid 2000s things in late 2006 that would be able to fit in 2004-2005. also emo was already in the mainstream by Late 2004 and amped up 100X due to Myspace Emo was everywhere
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Post by John Titor on Nov 2, 2020 9:12:56 GMT 10
Why does everyone seem to think there was a huge shift in late 2006? It's still pretty mid-2000s to me. I think late 2007 is the first cultural start of the late 2000s The release of My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade in Late 2006 was emo's huge breakthrough into the mainstream, and combined with Steve Irwin's passing in September of that year, it just seemed as though we were heading into a new era. The way you feel about late 2006 is exactly how I feel about 2007 in general. There was nothing mid 2000s about it, it was culturally different from 2005/06 and especially in comparison with 2004. emo was already mainstream by late 2004 tho and when Myspace started getting popular Q4 of 2004 - Q1 of 2005 it blew up instantly almost every classroom u can think of in middle school or hs in 2005 had atleast 4 emo people, even in music tho it was everywhere this was played nonstop on MTV in the mornings
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 2, 2020 9:14:50 GMT 10
The release of My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade in Late 2006 was emo's huge breakthrough into the mainstream, and combined with Steve Irwin's passing in September of that year, it just seemed as though we were heading into a new era. The way you feel about late 2006 is exactly how I feel about 2007 in general. There was nothing mid 2000s about it, it was culturally different from 2005/06 and especially in comparison with 2004. emo was already mainstream by late 2004 tho and when Myspace started getting popular Q4 of 2004 - Q1 of 2005 it blew up instantly almost every classroom u can think of in middle school or hs in 2005 had atleast 4 emo people, even in music tho it was everywhere That may have been the case in the US, but it sure wasn't here and most likely wasn't elsewhere around the world. "Helena" only charted at #78 here, and "I'm Not Okay" didn't crack the Top-50 either.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 2, 2020 9:19:09 GMT 10
emo was already mainstream by late 2004 tho and when Myspace started getting popular Q4 of 2004 - Q1 of 2005 it blew up instantly almost every classroom u can think of in middle school or hs in 2005 had atleast 4 emo people, even in music tho it was everywhere That may have been the case in the US, but it sure wasn't here and most likely wasn't elsewhere around the world. "Helena" only charted at #78 here, and "I'm Not Okay" didn't crack the Top-50 either. Oh yeah I keep forgetting you are in the other part of the world LOL it's funny tho how sometimes things like that can happen. I honestly got sick of " I am not OK" by MCR because MTV would NOT stop playing it in late 2004, I was like ALRIGHT I get it lmao around the time Black Parade came out in the US in 2006 emo was started to wind down over here as Scene started slowly replacing it. The transition over here from Emo to Scene was pretty smooth with very major interlapping between the 2. I wanna say by April 2007 in the United States Scene was seen as the next big thing.
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Post by Cassie on Nov 2, 2020 11:04:05 GMT 10
Why does everyone seem to think there was a huge shift in late 2006? It's still pretty mid-2000s to me. I think late 2007 is the first cultural start of the late 2000s The release of My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade in Late 2006 was emo's huge breakthrough into the mainstream, and combined with Steve Irwin's passing in September of that year, it just seemed as though we were heading into a new era. The way you feel about late 2006 is exactly how I feel about 2007 in general. There was nothing mid 2000s about it, it was culturally different from 2005/06 and especially in comparison with 2004. 2007 was still mid-2000s to me, rock was at it's peak popularity, MySpace was the dominant social media platform, it was pre-Recession and before the 2008 election, 6th gen consoles were still pretty popular and relevant (ESPECIALLY the PS2), electopop wasn't in the mainstream really, Toonami was still a channel, and there were still many mid-2000s cartoons and kid's shows on the air, with new episodes, such as KND, Camp Lazlo, Kim Possible, That's So Raven, Suite Life of Zach and Cody, Zoey 101, Drake and Josh, Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, the original Ben 10, All Grown Up, Squirrel Boy, My Gym Partner's A Monkey, Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends, and American Dragon. Also I always felt like emo was a mid-2000s thing overall, plus emo was kind of a sub genre of rock which was mostly mid-2000s.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 2, 2020 11:45:40 GMT 10
I honestly think late 2007 was a bigger shift that late 2006 and late 2008 lol. In late 2007, there was Kanye West vs 50 Cent, Kanye won by a huge margin and it had really shown/proved that the Hip Hop scene was going in a new direction. Also, that electro sound that people associate with the early 2010s, already had its roots in late 2007. Facebook was also becoming very popular and Myspace was already past its late 2006/early 2007 peak. 7th gen video gaming (or pretty much modern video gaming lol) was fully established after Halo 3, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Uncharted etc... had come out (there was a huge line-up of games in late 2007). I also feel that 2007 was the last gasp for the 6th generation of video gaming with games such as Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (this game was crazy popular on PS2), God of War II and so on. Late 2007 was probably the last time where having a PS2 was still cool. Late 2007 was also the first time when the conservatism & materialism of the early 2000s was truly rubbing off and it was very noticable at the time. Also, the recession technically started in late 2007, even though it hadn't shown its worst yet. Also, the Obama campaign started to really take off around late 2007 and it was the first time that I had ever heard about Obama too (along with pretty much all of my friends at the time).
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 2, 2020 12:11:40 GMT 10
The release of My Chemical Romance's The Black Parade in Late 2006 was emo's huge breakthrough into the mainstream, and combined with Steve Irwin's passing in September of that year, it just seemed as though we were heading into a new era. The way you feel about late 2006 is exactly how I feel about 2007 in general. There was nothing mid 2000s about it, it was culturally different from 2005/06 and especially in comparison with 2004. 2007 was still mid-2000s to me, rock was at it's peak popularity, MySpace was the dominant social media platform, it was pre-Recession and before the 2008 election, 6th gen consoles were still pretty popular and relevant (ESPECIALLY the PS2), electopop wasn't in the mainstream really, Toonami was still a channel, and there were still many mid-2000s cartoons and kid's shows on the air, with new episodes, such as KND, Camp Lazlo, Kim Possible, That's So Raven, Suite Life of Zach and Cody, Zoey 101, Drake and Josh, Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, the original Ben 10, All Grown Up, Squirrel Boy, My Gym Partner's A Monkey, Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends, and American Dragon. Also I always felt like emo was a mid-2000s thing overall, plus emo was kind of a sub genre of rock which was mostly mid-2000s. The vast majority of the things you mentioned actually defined the Late 2000s as an era too. You've given a lot of different examples, so I will respond to each one in dot point form. * Rock being popular isn't unique to the mid 2000s. Both 2008 and 2009 had a significant number of rock songs on the charts, such as "Shake It", "Gives You Hell", "Second Chance" etc. * I'm not sure why 2007 being pre-election makes it lean more towards the Mid 2000s? I mean, the 2008 US election wasn't held until November of that year and 2008 was undisputedly a Late 2000s cultural year. * The 6th gen consoles remained popular and relevant during the entire Late 2000s, not just 2007. The PS3 was incredibly expensive when it first came out. I desperately wanted one for Christmas when I was 8, but they were selling for around $900. It wasn't just the PS3 that was expensive either. Even when I received my Nintendo Wii as a Christmas present in 2008, the Wii was still selling for around $350-$400 in the shops. Many families couldn't afford to fork out that much money, and you've got to remember too, this was around the time of the Global Financial Crisis. * Myspace was still hugely popular until around the second-half of 2008. In fact, in terms of the number of "unique visitors", it was even still the most visited social media website in the US until May 2009. (source)
* Electropop was hardly mainstream in 2008, let alone 2007. Things didn't just suddenly change overnight. Post-grunge, emo, crunk and '00s r&b were the genres that defined the music scene of 2008 the most. Lady Gaga may have debuted onto the charts during the middle of the year, but she didn't reach her "pop superstar" status until around the turn of 2009. * "My Gym Partner's A Monkey", "Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends" and the original "Ben 10", continued to be produced well into 2008. Also, the other shows you mentioned were still repeated on Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network etc. during the rest of the Late 2000s, even if production of the shows had ended. * It depends on where you come from. The impression I get is that emo was popular in the US earlier than it was elsewhere. Here in Australia, 2007 was definitely it's peak, and it remained culturally relevant until about late 2009.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 2, 2020 12:31:37 GMT 10
I honestly think late 2007 was a bigger shift that late 2006 and late 2008 lol. In late 2007, there was Kanye West vs 50 Cent, Kanye won by a huge margin and it had really shown/proved that the Hip Hop scene was going in a new direction. Also, that electro sound that people associate with the early 2010s, already had its roots in late 2007. Facebook was also becoming very popular and Myspace was already past its late 2006/early 2007 peak. 7th gen video gaming (or pretty much modern video gaming lol) was fully established after Halo 3, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Uncharted etc... had come out (there was a huge line-up of games in late 2007). I also feel that 2007 was the last gasp for the 6th generation of video gaming with games such as Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (this game was crazy popular on PS2), God of War II and so on. Late 2007 was probably the last time where having a PS2 was still cool. Late 2007 was also the first time when the conservatism & materialism of the early 2000s was truly rubbing off and it was very noticable at the time. Also, the recession technically started in late 2007, even though it hadn't shown its worst yet. Also, the Obama campaign started to really take off around late 2007 and it was the first time that I had ever heard about Obama too (along with pretty much all of my friends at the time). You have a pretty good case for late 2007 only thing is the first shift or marker of a new direction was late 2006 even if was not that drastic or all super clear to everyone at first and majorly if not mostly mid 2000s. Also I feel like while the changes late 2007 brought are true a lot of things were more throughly felt or made an impact during the first half of 2008. I think by the summer of 2008 we were in the pure late 2000s.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 2, 2020 12:56:53 GMT 10
I honestly think late 2007 was a bigger shift that late 2006 and late 2008 lol. In late 2007, there was Kanye West vs 50 Cent, Kanye won by a huge margin and it had really shown/proved that the Hip Hop scene was going in a new direction. Also, that electro sound that people associate with the early 2010s, already had its roots in late 2007. Facebook was also becoming very popular and Myspace was already past its late 2006/early 2007 peak. 7th gen video gaming (or pretty much modern video gaming lol) was fully established after Halo 3, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Uncharted etc... had come out (there was a huge line-up of games in late 2007). I also feel that 2007 was the last gasp for the 6th generation of video gaming with games such as Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (this game was crazy popular on PS2), God of War II and so on. Late 2007 was probably the last time where having a PS2 was still cool. Late 2007 was also the first time when the conservatism & materialism of the early 2000s was truly rubbing off and it was very noticable at the time. Also, the recession technically started in late 2007, even though it hadn't shown its worst yet. Also, the Obama campaign started to really take off around late 2007 and it was the first time that I had ever heard about Obama too (along with pretty much all of my friends at the time). You have a pretty good case for late 2007 only thing is the first shift or marker of a new direction was late 2006 even if was not that drastic or all super clear to everyone at first and majorly if not mostly mid 2000s. Also I feel like while the changes late 2007 brought are true a lot of things were more throughly felt or made an impact during the first half of 2008. I think by the summer of 2008 we were in the pure late 2000s. The mid 2000s (mid 2004 - mid 2007), just felt like a big transitional period rather than a consistent era. The shift in late 2006 is waaay too overstated. In late 2006, pretty much no one I knew used facebook at all yet. 7th gen game consoles still weren't fully established, though 7th gen gaming was already emerging in late 2005. In late 2006, there still wasn't very much for the new game consoles at the time (I had an Xbox 360 at the time and only had a few games), I feel like the only 7th gen game console that had been fully established itself was the Wii (yes, right on launch). The 2000s conservatism & materialism was still thriving in late 2006 (even though, you can find roots of a decline as early as 2004).
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Post by John Titor on Nov 2, 2020 13:03:33 GMT 10
I honestly think late 2007 was a bigger shift that late 2006 and late 2008 lol. In late 2007, there was Kanye West vs 50 Cent, Kanye won by a huge margin and it had really shown/proved that the Hip Hop scene was going in a new direction. Also, that electro sound that people associate with the early 2010s, already had its roots in late 2007. Facebook was also becoming very popular and Myspace was already past its late 2006/early 2007 peak. 7th gen video gaming (or pretty much modern video gaming lol) was fully established after Halo 3, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, Uncharted etc... had come out (there was a huge line-up of games in late 2007). I also feel that 2007 was the last gasp for the 6th generation of video gaming with games such as Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (this game was crazy popular on PS2), God of War II and so on. Late 2007 was probably the last time where having a PS2 was still cool. Late 2007 was also the first time when the conservatism & materialism of the early 2000s was truly rubbing off and it was very noticable at the time. Also, the recession technically started in late 2007, even though it hadn't shown its worst yet. Also, the Obama campaign started to really take off around late 2007 and it was the first time that I had ever heard about Obama too (along with pretty much all of my friends at the time). actually I like this perspective it is very thought provoking, 2007 did kill Gangsta rap and the Recession did start in 2007 tech
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 2, 2020 13:06:11 GMT 10
2007 was still mid-2000s to me, rock was at it's peak popularity, MySpace was the dominant social media platform, it was pre-Recession and before the 2008 election, 6th gen consoles were still pretty popular and relevant (ESPECIALLY the PS2), electopop wasn't in the mainstream really, Toonami was still a channel, and there were still many mid-2000s cartoons and kid's shows on the air, with new episodes, such as KND, Camp Lazlo, Kim Possible, That's So Raven, Suite Life of Zach and Cody, Zoey 101, Drake and Josh, Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, the original Ben 10, All Grown Up, Squirrel Boy, My Gym Partner's A Monkey, Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends, and American Dragon. Also I always felt like emo was a mid-2000s thing overall, plus emo was kind of a sub genre of rock which was mostly mid-2000s. The vast majority of the things you mentioned actually defined the Late 2000s as an era too. You've given a lot of different examples, so I will respond to each one in dot point form. * Rock being popular isn't unique to the mid 2000s. Both 2008 and 2009 had a significant number of rock songs on the charts, such as "Shake It", "Gives You Hell", "Second Chance" etc. * I'm not sure why 2007 being pre-election makes it lean more towards the Mid 2000s? I mean, the 2008 US election wasn't held until November of that year and 2008 was undisputedly a Late 2000s cultural year. * The 6th gen consoles remained popular and relevant during the entire Late 2000s, not just 2007. The PS3 was incredibly expensive when it first came out. I desperately wanted one for Christmas when I was 8, but they were selling for around $900. It wasn't just the PS3 that was expensive either. Even when I received my Nintendo Wii as a Christmas present in 2008, the Wii was still selling for around $350-$400 in the shops. Many families couldn't afford to fork out that much money, and you've got to remember too, this was around the time of the Global Financial Crisis. * Myspace was still hugely popular until around the second-half of 2008. In fact, in terms of the number of "unique visitors", it was even still the most visited social media website in the US until May 2009. (source)
* Electropop was hardly mainstream in 2008, let alone 2007. Things didn't just suddenly change overnight. Post-grunge, emo, crunk and '00s r&b were the genres that defined the music scene of 2008 the most. Lady Gaga may have debuted onto the charts during the middle of the year, but she didn't reach her "pop superstar" status until around the turn of 2009. * "My Gym Partner's A Monkey", "Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends" and the original "Ben 10", continued to be produced well into 2008. Also, the other shows you mentioned were still repeated on Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network etc. during the rest of the Late 2000s, even if production of the shows had ended. * It depends on where you come from. The impression I get is that emo was popular in the US earlier than it was elsewhere. Here in Australia, 2007 was definitely it's peak, and it remained culturally relevant until about late 2009. Tbh, the PS3 was already taking off in 2008 after the price had dropped quite considerably. Also, electro-pop wasn't necessarily popular in late 2007/2008 but, there was very early roots of an 'electro' sound dating back to then, mainly in the Hip Hop songs at the time (I feel like 2008/09 music has a unique sound to it but, it still sounded much much closer to the stuff you would hear in 2005 rather than 2013). Don't get me wrong late 2007 - mid 2009 is definitely still 2000s for the most part but, they did feel noticably removed from the early 2000s.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 2, 2020 13:10:37 GMT 10
You have a pretty good case for late 2007 only thing is the first shift or marker of a new direction was late 2006 even if was not that drastic or all super clear to everyone at first and majorly if not mostly mid 2000s. Also I feel like while the changes late 2007 brought are true a lot of things were more throughly felt or made an impact during the first half of 2008. I think by the summer of 2008 we were in the pure late 2000s. The mid 2000s (mid 2004 - mid 2007), just felt like a big transitional period rather than a consistent era. The shift in late 2006 is waaay too overstated. In late 2006, pretty much no one I knew used facebook at all yet. 7th gen game consoles still weren't fully established, though 7th gen gaming was already emerging in late 2005. In late 2006, there still wasn't very much for the new game consoles at the time (I had an Xbox 360 at the time and only had a few games), I feel like the only 7th gen game console that had been fully established itself was the Wii (yes, right on launch). The 2000s conservatism & materialism was still thriving in late 2006 (even though, you can find roots of a decline as early as 2004). I agree. Yeah it’s been overstated. I do typically think of 2007-2008 being the proper start of the late 2000s but also latter 2006 being relevant even if at the the time it was barely different. There were a few notable changes enough to slightly modify the mid 2000s feeling throughout 2006-2007 and enough to lay some of ground work for 2008-2009. Some things seem a bit foreign to the world of mid 04-early to mid 2006. I remember a number of people fully embracing and constantly discussing Facebook and Twitter in 2006-2007, some people dressing closer to 2008 and really into consoles like the Wii. Blu ray back the. wasn’t as obscure as it’s made out to be either.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 2, 2020 13:38:10 GMT 10
The mid 2000s (mid 2004 - mid 2007), just felt like a big transitional period rather than a consistent era. The shift in late 2006 is waaay too overstated. In late 2006, pretty much no one I knew used facebook at all yet. 7th gen game consoles still weren't fully established, though 7th gen gaming was already emerging in late 2005. In late 2006, there still wasn't very much for the new game consoles at the time (I had an Xbox 360 at the time and only had a few games), I feel like the only 7th gen game console that had been fully established itself was the Wii (yes, right on launch). The 2000s conservatism & materialism was still thriving in late 2006 (even though, you can find roots of a decline as early as 2004). I agree. Yeah it’s been overstated. I do typically think of 2007-2008 being the proper start of the late 2000s but also latter 2006 being relevant even if at the the time it was barely different. There were a few notable changes enough to slightly modify the mid 2000s feeling throughout 2006-2007 and enough to lay some of ground work for 2008-2009. Some things seem a bit foreign to the world of mid 04-early to mid 2006. I remember a number of people fully embracing and constantly discussing Facebook and Twitter in 2006-2007, some people dressing closer to 2008 and really into consoles like the Wii. Blu ray back the. wasn’t as obscure as it’s made out to be either. Very true, there's still no deny that late 2006 was important for the shift towards the late 2000s but, I feel like late 2007 was a bigger/more important shift overall imo.
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Post by y2kbaby on Nov 2, 2020 13:45:15 GMT 10
2000s Cultural Eras:
Y2K Era: Late Summer 1999-Spring 2000
Y2K/Early 00s Mix: Summer 2000-Summer 2001
Pure Early 2000s Era: Fall 2001-February 2003
Early/Mid 2000s mix: March 2003-Summer 2004
Pure Mid 2000s Era: Fall 2004-Spring 2006
Mid/Late 2000s mix: Summer 2006-Summer 2007
Pure Late 2000s Era: Fall 2007-Summer 2009
2000s/2010s hybrid: Fall 2009-Summer 2011
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