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Post by John Titor on Nov 2, 2020 14:19:53 GMT 10
I agree. Yeah it’s been overstated. I do typically think of 2007-2008 being the proper start of the late 2000s but also latter 2006 being relevant even if at the the time it was barely different. There were a few notable changes enough to slightly modify the mid 2000s feeling throughout 2006-2007 and enough to lay some of ground work for 2008-2009. Some things seem a bit foreign to the world of mid 04-early to mid 2006. I remember a number of people fully embracing and constantly discussing Facebook and Twitter in 2006-2007, some people dressing closer to 2008 and really into consoles like the Wii. Blu ray back the. wasn’t as obscure as it’s made out to be either. Very true, there's still no deny that late 2006 was important for the shift towards the late 2000s but, I feel like late 2007 was a bigger/more important shift overall imo. 2007 had that 1997 effect where big things were co mingling with the previous generation of things, 2007 was def dark and digital we already know why, but now I am trying to go back and remember the Recession on the news December 2007, I remember at school earlier in the year ( I stayed back an extra year so I was able to be in the 2006-2007 year) there were teacher cuts as early as Jan/Feb 2007 I also remember MTV losing money and it was in the news they were going to cancel TRL in early 2007. I don't know if this had anything to do with economy. I also remember a newspaper saying the housing market is in trouble in March 2007. I am very thought provoked rn LOL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 14:44:07 GMT 10
In Canada at least there was no recession until the oil price crashed in late 2008.
The late 2006 shift was exaggerated by some but I do think it does exist. Late 2006 felt very high tech, that is the main difference. There were shifts in humour style too, the most popular comedies were The Office and 30 Rock, as opposed to the laugh-track sitcoms of the early 2000s. I can get a sense of proto-hipsterism too because I remember that year was all about GMOs and organic food, and YouTube vlogs and MySpace promoting alt/underground personalities and indie tastes.
But this is around the time I started high school so I might have experienced a bigger shift than there was in reality.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 2, 2020 14:51:22 GMT 10
In Canada at least there was no recession until the oil price crashed in late 2008. The late 2006 shift was exaggerated by some but I do think it does exist. Late 2006 felt very high tech, that is the main difference. There were shifts in humour style too, the most popular comedies were The Office and 30 Rock, as opposed to the laugh-track sitcoms of the early 2000s. I can get a sense of proto-hipsterism too because I remember that year was all about GMOs and organic food, and YouTube vlogs and MySpace promoting alt/underground personalities. But this is around the time I started high school so I might have experienced a bigger shift than there was in reality. I was in HS as well stayed back an extra year, you are def correct it was SMALL shift
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 15:39:18 GMT 10
In Canada at least there was no recession until the oil price crashed in late 2008. The late 2006 shift was exaggerated by some but I do think it does exist. Late 2006 felt very high tech, that is the main difference. There were shifts in humour style too, the most popular comedies were The Office and 30 Rock, as opposed to the laugh-track sitcoms of the early 2000s. I can get a sense of proto-hipsterism too because I remember that year was all about GMOs and organic food, and YouTube vlogs and MySpace promoting alt/underground personalities. But this is around the time I started high school so I might have experienced a bigger shift than there was in reality. I was in HS as well stayed back an extra year, you are def correct it was SMALL shift Lol I promised myself I wouldn't do decadeology but I guess I can't help myself sometimes  Perhaps there was no "late 2006 shift". I really hate the idea of "shifts" when there are changes happening every year, not just during "shifts". The funny thing is you can make any year a shift if you try hard enough, because there are changes happening all the time. If you list them in a bullet point you can always sound convincing  Sometimes you do get real sudden shifts like the Great Recession or COVID-19 Pandemic but it is rare.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 2, 2020 16:37:34 GMT 10
Very true, there's still no deny that late 2006 was important for the shift towards the late 2000s but, I feel like late 2007 was a bigger/more important shift overall imo. 2007 had that 1997 effect where big things were co mingling with the previous generation of things, 2007 was def dark and digital we already know why, but now I am trying to go back and remember the Recession on the news December 2007, I remember at school earlier in the year ( I stayed back an extra year so I was able to be in the 2006-2007 year) there were teacher cuts as early as Jan/Feb 2007 I also remember MTV losing money and it was in the news they were going to cancel TRL in early 2007. I don't know if this had anything to do with economy. I also remember a newspaper saying the housing market is in trouble in March 2007. I am very thought provoked rn LOL I do actually remember people losing jobs in late 2007, I remember my dad having financial issues in 2007 after investing a lot in the housing market too and people I knew were struggling to actually find a job (this was a very different story in 2006). Overall, the economy was definitely slowing in 2007 and wasn't as strong as it once was between 1997ish - 2006.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 2, 2020 16:59:01 GMT 10
2007 had that 1997 effect where big things were co mingling with the previous generation of things, 2007 was def dark and digital we already know why, but now I am trying to go back and remember the Recession on the news December 2007, I remember at school earlier in the year ( I stayed back an extra year so I was able to be in the 2006-2007 year) there were teacher cuts as early as Jan/Feb 2007 I also remember MTV losing money and it was in the news they were going to cancel TRL in early 2007. I don't know if this had anything to do with economy. I also remember a newspaper saying the housing market is in trouble in March 2007. I am very thought provoked rn LOL I do actually remember people losing jobs in late 2007, I remember my dad having financial issues in 2007 after investing a lot in the housing market too and people I knew were struggling to actually find a job (this was a very different story in 2006). Overall, the economy was definitely slowing in 2007 and wasn't as strong as it once was between 1997ish - 2006. I never really thought of it until you reminded me, 2007 did have that happen. Like a lot of teachers quit and never came back in early-mid 2007 and I kind of forgot about it until now. There were lots of student teachers filling in.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 2, 2020 21:08:27 GMT 10
The vast majority of the things you mentioned actually defined the Late 2000s as an era too. You've given a lot of different examples, so I will respond to each one in dot point form. * Rock being popular isn't unique to the mid 2000s. Both 2008 and 2009 had a significant number of rock songs on the charts, such as "Shake It", "Gives You Hell", "Second Chance" etc. * I'm not sure why 2007 being pre-election makes it lean more towards the Mid 2000s? I mean, the 2008 US election wasn't held until November of that year and 2008 was undisputedly a Late 2000s cultural year. * The 6th gen consoles remained popular and relevant during the entire Late 2000s, not just 2007. The PS3 was incredibly expensive when it first came out. I desperately wanted one for Christmas when I was 8, but they were selling for around $900. It wasn't just the PS3 that was expensive either. Even when I received my Nintendo Wii as a Christmas present in 2008, the Wii was still selling for around $350-$400 in the shops. Many families couldn't afford to fork out that much money, and you've got to remember too, this was around the time of the Global Financial Crisis. * Myspace was still hugely popular until around the second-half of 2008. In fact, in terms of the number of "unique visitors", it was even still the most visited social media website in the US until May 2009. (source)
* Electropop was hardly mainstream in 2008, let alone 2007. Things didn't just suddenly change overnight. Post-grunge, emo, crunk and '00s r&b were the genres that defined the music scene of 2008 the most. Lady Gaga may have debuted onto the charts during the middle of the year, but she didn't reach her "pop superstar" status until around the turn of 2009. * "My Gym Partner's A Monkey", "Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends" and the original "Ben 10", continued to be produced well into 2008. Also, the other shows you mentioned were still repeated on Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network etc. during the rest of the Late 2000s, even if production of the shows had ended. * It depends on where you come from. The impression I get is that emo was popular in the US earlier than it was elsewhere. Here in Australia, 2007 was definitely it's peak, and it remained culturally relevant until about late 2009. Tbh, the PS3 was already taking off in 2008 after the price had dropped quite considerably. Also, electro-pop wasn't necessarily popular in late 2007/2008 but, there was very early roots of an 'electro' sound dating back to then, mainly in the Hip Hop songs at the time (I feel like 2008/09 music has a unique sound to it but, it still sounded much much closer to the stuff you would hear in 2005 rather than 2013). Don't get me wrong late 2007 - mid 2009 is definitely still 2000s for the most part but, they did feel noticably removed from the early 2000s. I agree that the prices for the PS3 gradually dropped over the course of 2008, but it definitely hadn't superseded the popularity of the PS2. I personally knew of no one who owned a PS3 back in 2008. As far as 7th gen consoles went, the Xbox 360 was generally the most affordable for many families around that time, with the Nintendo Wii coming a close second. The PS3 was kind of the expensive outlier that only the 'rich kids' could afford. EB Games and JB Hi Fi (an electronics store here) were still selling both brand new and pre-owned PS2 consoles right up until the end of the decade. I've even got a newspaper cut-out of a JB Hi Fi ad from November 2008 which advertises the PS2: {Spoiler} 
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 2, 2020 21:35:13 GMT 10
Tbh, the PS3 was already taking off in 2008 after the price had dropped quite considerably. Also, electro-pop wasn't necessarily popular in late 2007/2008 but, there was very early roots of an 'electro' sound dating back to then, mainly in the Hip Hop songs at the time (I feel like 2008/09 music has a unique sound to it but, it still sounded much much closer to the stuff you would hear in 2005 rather than 2013). Don't get me wrong late 2007 - mid 2009 is definitely still 2000s for the most part but, they did feel noticably removed from the early 2000s. I agree that the prices for the PS3 gradually dropped over the course of 2008, but it definitely hadn't superseded the popularity of the PS2. I personally knew of no one who owned a PS3 back in 2008. As far as 7th gen consoles went, the Xbox 360 was generally the most affordable for many families around that time, with the Nintendo Wii coming a close second. The PS3 was kind of the expensive outlier that only the 'rich kids' could afford. EB Games and JB Hi Fi (an electronics store here) were still selling both brand new and pre-owned PS2 consoles right up until the end of the decade. I've even got a newspaper cut-out of a JB Hi Fi ad from November 2008 which advertises the PS2: {Spoiler} I guess the PS2 still held on until 2010ish. However, I do think that Guitar Hero III was the last major release for the system though (there probably was many popular games afterwards but, it didn't match the hype that PS2 games got between 2001 - 2007). The PS3 took a bit longer to take off, my cousin got one in 2007 but, they're pretty big Playstation fanboys, so that makes sense. Going by memory, the Nintendo Wii was easily the biggest game console of the late 2000s, everyone and their grandma had one. The motion control gimmick sold hard. The Xbox 360 was very popular among the core gamer crowd at the time. The PS3, was only really bought by Playstation fanboys (like my cousin lol). The PS3 was a pretty bad investment in the late 00s, I remember you were so much better off buying an Xbox 360 (there were more games, the games looked better and Xbox Live Gold was totally worth it).
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Post by John Titor on Nov 3, 2020 3:00:01 GMT 10
I agree that the prices for the PS3 gradually dropped over the course of 2008, but it definitely hadn't superseded the popularity of the PS2. I personally knew of no one who owned a PS3 back in 2008. As far as 7th gen consoles went, the Xbox 360 was generally the most affordable for many families around that time, with the Nintendo Wii coming a close second. The PS3 was kind of the expensive outlier that only the 'rich kids' could afford. EB Games and JB Hi Fi (an electronics store here) were still selling both brand new and pre-owned PS2 consoles right up until the end of the decade. I've even got a newspaper cut-out of a JB Hi Fi ad from November 2008 which advertises the PS2: {Spoiler} I guess the PS2 still held on until 2010ish. However, I do think that Guitar Hero III was the last major release for the system though (there probably was many popular games afterwards but, it didn't match the hype that PS2 games got between 2001 - 2007). The PS3 took a bit longer to take off, my cousin got one in 2007 but, they're pretty big Playstation fanboys, so that makes sense. Going by memory, the Nintendo Wii was easily the biggest game console of the late 2000s, everyone and their grandma had one. The motion control gimmick sold hard. The Xbox 360 was very popular among the core gamer crowd at the time. The PS3, was only really bought by Playstation fanboys (like my cousin lol). The PS3 was a pretty bad investment in the late 00s, I remember you were so much better off buying an Xbox 360 (there were more games, the games looked better and Xbox Live Gold was totally worth it). It was weird seeing PS get ignored from late 2006 - Fall 2009 lol I feel like when 360 came out in 05 many people said F it the new generation is here and didn't wait for ps3, as far as the Wii it was everywhere I hated the Wii because the graphics were about the same as Gamecube.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 3, 2020 14:29:08 GMT 10
I guess the PS2 still held on until 2010ish. However, I do think that Guitar Hero III was the last major release for the system though (there probably was many popular games afterwards but, it didn't match the hype that PS2 games got between 2001 - 2007). The PS3 took a bit longer to take off, my cousin got one in 2007 but, they're pretty big Playstation fanboys, so that makes sense. Going by memory, the Nintendo Wii was easily the biggest game console of the late 2000s, everyone and their grandma had one. The motion control gimmick sold hard. The Xbox 360 was very popular among the core gamer crowd at the time. The PS3, was only really bought by Playstation fanboys (like my cousin lol). The PS3 was a pretty bad investment in the late 00s, I remember you were so much better off buying an Xbox 360 (there were more games, the games looked better and Xbox Live Gold was totally worth it). It was weird seeing PS get ignored from late 2006 - Fall 2009 lol I feel like when 360 came out in 05 many people said F it the new generation is here and didn't wait for ps3, as far as the Wii it was everywhere I hated the Wii because the graphics were about the same as Gamecube. Pretty much just me lol. I got a 360 right on launch cause I couldn't be bothered waiting for the PS3 (I was a PS2 owner too). When the PS3 came out, I saw the ridiculous price and the lack of games and went "screw that" and never actually got a PS3.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 14:51:33 GMT 10
It was weird seeing PS get ignored from late 2006 - Fall 2009 lol I feel like when 360 came out in 05 many people said F it the new generation is here and didn't wait for ps3, as far as the Wii it was everywhere I hated the Wii because the graphics were about the same as Gamecube. Pretty much just me lol. I got a 360 right on launch cause I couldn't be bothered waiting for the PS3 (I was a PS2 owner too). When the PS3 came out, I saw the ridiculous price and the lack of games and went "screw that" and never actually got a PS3. I got a PS3 in 2014. The online is atrocious, Xbox 360 was definitely the console to get, and I got mine 2008.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 3, 2020 15:13:03 GMT 10
Pretty much just me lol. I got a 360 right on launch cause I couldn't be bothered waiting for the PS3 (I was a PS2 owner too). When the PS3 came out, I saw the ridiculous price and the lack of games and went "screw that" and never actually got a PS3. I got a PS3 in 2014. The online is atrocious, Xbox 360 was definitely the console to get, and I got mine 2008. Absolutely. I remember a friend who had a PS3 used to make a huge deal about the free online. When I first used the PS3's online (on that friend's PS3), I was surprised by how terrible it was, it was not very reliable, it was lacking some features that xbox live had, it had faaaaar less games to download on the PSN store, it had less players overall and so on. Also, in the late 00s, there was Halo 3, which had a huge online community at the time and I used to put hours into it. Xbox Live Gold was without a doubt worth it, you were paying premium for a much better online experience overall.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 15:52:43 GMT 10
I got a PS3 in 2014. The online is atrocious, Xbox 360 was definitely the console to get, and I got mine 2008. Absolutely. I remember a friend who had a PS3 used to make a huge deal about the free online. When I first used the PS3's online (on that friend's PS3), I was surprised by how terrible it was, it was not very reliable, it was lacking some features that xbox live had, it had faaaaar less games to download on the PSN store, it had less players overall and so on. Also, in the late 00s, there was Halo 3, which had a huge online community at the time and I used to put hours into it. Xbox Live Gold was without a doubt worth it, you were paying premium for a much better online experience overall. Xbox 360 nostalgia slowly kicking in with that Halo 3 comment. There was a super addictive Yugioh game for the Xbox 360 that I used to play with my friends on Xbox LIVE late into the night, like up to 3am. We had so much fun. I had a friend I wanted to socialize with more but he only owned a PS3, so I got the game for PS3 as well and we could not even complete a single match without it disconnecting. It was so lame. I used to begrudgingly pay for Xbox LIVE but after that I realized you get what you paid for. PS4's online is much better.
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Post by jaydawg89 on Nov 3, 2020 18:10:22 GMT 10
Absolutely. I remember a friend who had a PS3 used to make a huge deal about the free online. When I first used the PS3's online (on that friend's PS3), I was surprised by how terrible it was, it was not very reliable, it was lacking some features that xbox live had, it had faaaaar less games to download on the PSN store, it had less players overall and so on. Also, in the late 00s, there was Halo 3, which had a huge online community at the time and I used to put hours into it. Xbox Live Gold was without a doubt worth it, you were paying premium for a much better online experience overall. Xbox 360 nostalgia slowly kicking in with that Halo 3 comment. There was a super addictive Yugioh game for the Xbox 360 that I used to play with my friends on Xbox LIVE late into the night, like up to 3am. We had so much fun. I had a friend I wanted to socialize with more but he only owned a PS3, so I got the game for PS3 as well and we could not even complete a single match without it disconnecting. It was so lame. I used to begrudgingly pay for Xbox LIVE but after that I realized you get what you paid for. PS4's online is much better. Yeah, I already kinda miss those days back in like 2007 playing Halo 3. Recently I went on my brother's Xbox One and inserted my old copy of Halo 3 and was quite sad to find out there was only like 40 players globally on the game. Two other online games at the time I used to put hours into was Runescape and World of Warcraft. With the PS3, I too experienced that disconnecting issue. Lol, remember that 2011 PSN hack? Sony definitely picked up the slack for the PS4 though, as my experience with my PS4's online has been pretty good.
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Post by mc98 on Nov 4, 2020 1:23:39 GMT 10
I was more of an Xbox guy back then. I got the 360 in 2009. Tbh, I think the console peaked in the early 2010s because of CoD/Battlefield hype.
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Sometimes you do get real sudden shifts like the Great Recession or COVID-19 Pandemic but it is rare. 
