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Post by #Infinity on Nov 20, 2017 3:43:05 GMT 10
Inspired by Sharksfan99's thread on InThe00s, post and discuss songs here that were major hits all around the world but either flopped or were ignored altogether in the United States. I adore this topic, but I was worried it would be eventually forgotten due to that board's slant towards decadeology and generationology, not to mention Philip Eno's daily flood of history trivia that quickly buries current threads.
I've personally coined these types of songs "soccer hits," a reference to association football being easily the most popular professional sport in the world, yet barely achieving any legitimate success whatsoever in the United States, where American football (known as gridiron by some) dominates popular culture. As an American myself, whenever I think of foreign culture, my mind immediately conjures thoughts and images of association football.
For a country that prides itself on its supposed diversity and openness, the United States sure isn't welcoming of imported bands and artists, certainly compared to the rest of the world. In far too many cases, all of the best popular music to come out of Europe, Australia, and the rest of the world is confined beyond my home country, having left me totally unaware of it until I began collecting the UK Now albums and leaving my childhood and adolescence with horrible memories of songs I just couldn't stand being more popular than everything I wished was in the top 40.
Here are some of the biggest soccer hits that I can think of:
This boyband ballad completely took the world by storm in the very middle of the 1990s and, according to my friend in Scotland, gets constantly overplayed during the holiday season...at least, this is the case if you don't live in North America. Due to the United States and Canada's extreme stigma against manufactured pop following the Milli Vanilli scandal that lasted until 1997, UK boybands like East 17 never became household names over here like One Direction would a couple decades later. Take That's "Back for Good" actually managed to achieve pretty significant success in the United States in late 1995, probably because it sounded mature and rootsy enough that it blended well with the adult contemporary music popular at the time, but the symphonic, pretty-voiced "Stay Another Day" did not chart in the US whatsoever, not even the Bubbling Under Hot 100 or Mainstream Top 40 charts.
Considering this song went to #1 in several countries, landed in the top 5 in plenty others, and even became a minor alternative hit in Canada, I really have no idea why it was completely and utterly passed up in the United States. Unlike bands like East 17 and Boyzone, this is not manufactured bubblegum pop, nor is it UK-centric britpop like Pulp and Supergrass, so it really seems like it should have sat at least somewhat comfortably with American audiences at the time. I'm not exactly sure how it epitomizes 1996 the way Sharksfan99 said it does though, since it's really more of a novelty song than anything else, though to be fair, 1996 had one of the least coherent identities of any year in music.
Supposedly, this is like the 34th best-selling single of all time. Clearly riding off the international mega-success of the Archies' "Sugar Sugar" from 1969, it's surprising this Scottish single from 1971 failed to chart at all in the United States. There was a cover that same year by Mac and Kate Kissoon, which made it to a decent #20 on the Billboard Hot 100 (the original by Lally Scott, on the other hand, only reached #92), but Middle of the Road's version still stands as one of the major pioneers of the soccer hit.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 20, 2017 9:38:10 GMT 10
Inspired by Sharksfan99's thread on InThe00s, post and discuss songs here that were major hits all around the world but either flopped or were ignored altogether in the United States. I adore this topic, but I was worried it would be eventually forgotten due to that board's slant towards decadeology and generationology, not to mention Philip Eno's daily flood of history trivia that quickly buries current threads. I've personally coined these types of songs "soccer hits," a reference to association football being easily the most popular professional sport in the world, yet barely achieving any legitimate success whatsoever in the United States, where American football (known as gridiron by some) dominates popular culture. As an American myself, whenever I think of foreign culture, my mind immediately conjures thoughts and images of association football. For a country that prides itself on its supposed diversity and openness, the United States sure isn't welcoming of imported bands and artists, certainly compared to the rest of the world. In far too many cases, all of the best popular music to come out of Europe, Australia, and the rest of the world is confined beyond my home country, having left me totally unaware of it until I began collecting the UK Now albums and leaving my childhood and adolescence with horrible memories of songs I just couldn't stand being more popular than everything I wished was in the top 40. I actually forgot about this topic entirely, so I appreciate you creating it on Popedia! Yeah, unfortunately, most people on inthe00s don't seem to be interested in discussing foreign pop cultures or topics of this nature. To be honest, i'm actually starting to lose interest in participating on the inthe00s boards, due to the constant threads based on Late 2000s and Early 2010s, as well as the decadeology slant of the boards. In this day and age, it's strange that the United States is still so reluctant in accepting imported bands and artists, especially given how multicultural the country is. I think the media is partly to blame for this. They project an image of the "ideal, middle-class America", which is built on the idealism and values of Americana. I've actually listened to a few American radio stations (thanks to livestreaming) in recent months, and it astounded me how there was such a lack of imported bands/artists in their playlists. What makes it even more puzzling, is the fact that alternative-rock was still quite popular in the American music scene in 1996. The United States were embracing British acts, such as Oasis and Blur, yet "Spaceman" by Babylon Zoo was completely shunned and the latter is not even a Brit-pop song! I believe the song epitomizes 1996 in a number of ways. The music video is representative of the dark, moody vibe surrounding the pop culture of the Mid '90s, particularly with it's heavy use of shadowing. Also, the song itself is alternative-rock, which was still a popular genre at the time.
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Post by #Infinity on Nov 20, 2017 10:14:49 GMT 10
I actually forgot about this topic entirely, so I appreciate you creating it on Popedia! Yeah, unfortunately, most people on inthe00s don't seem to be interested in discussing foreign pop cultures or topics of this nature. To be honest, i'm actually starting to lose interest in participating on the inthe00s boards, due to the constant threads based on Late 2000s and Early 2010s, as well as the decadeology slant of the boards. I sincerely agree with you. That board has become more or less a joke in recent times. I'll admit I enjoyed discussing cultural eras originally, but the ridiculous extremes to which they obsess over it is pretty ludicrous. I'm also sick of late 2000s, early 2010s, mid-2010s, and even friggin' 2020s topics being the primary focus, as opposed to the periods that can actually be considered fully nostalgic. What makes it even more puzzling, is the fact that alternative-rock was still quite popular in the American music scene in 1996. The United States were embracing British acts, such as Oasis and Blur, yet "Spaceman" by Babylon Zoo was completely shunned and the latter is not even a Brit-pop song! I believe the song epitomizes 1996 in a number of ways. The music video is representative of the dark, moody vibe surrounding the pop culture of the Mid '90s, particularly with it's heavy use of shadowing. Also, the song itself is alternative-rock, which was still a popular genre at the time. Oasis and Blur weren't nearly as popular in the United States as they were in other territories, probably because they came from a movement that was specifically repudiating the cynicism of grunge, which was still really popular in America at Britpop's peak in the 1995-1996 school year. Nobody really bought Blur's albums over here in spite of the minor success of "Girls & Boys" and "Song 2" (the latter of which is a parody of grunge), and while Oasis' (What's the Story) Morning Glory did well in the United States, its success was nowhere near as great as it was in the UK, where Oasis was legitimately considered to be the next Beatles. Also, that's actually not the official music video for "Spaceman" that I linked to, but rather a fan-made music video from 2003. Here's the actual music video (not sure if you were really referring to it, since it also really captures the spirit of 1996): Here are a few more soccer hits: Eternal are one-hit-wonders in the United States for "Stay," which was a moderate hit in early 1994, but since the group was not selling very many albums, no more of their songs got released here afterwards. I'm surprised, however, that they never made a comeback here with this song, as not only is it easily one of their biggest hits ever, it came out in 1997, a time when the United States was finally a bit less resistant to importing UK girl groups. The Spice Girls made it huge here, and even All Saints scored a couple of sizable hit singles, but Eternal were unable to turn Americans' heads away from SWV and Total, whose respective hits at the time were much more progressive. Modern Talking were gigantic in mainland Europe throughout the mid-80s, as well as the Y2K era, but this was their only real hit in the UK. All throughout the continent, "Brother Louie" was one of 1986's biggest hit singles, but it never charted in the United States at all. It didn't ever make it to Australia or New Zealand, either, but since Americans were a little more accepting of European pop in the mid-80s than they were during other eras, I would've thought this would stand at least somewhat of a chance in the United States. Yet another mid-80s international smash by a German pop group that swept everybody off their feet in Europe but tanked in North America, as well as Australia and New Zealand. Unlike "Brother Louie," this one actually did chart outside of Europe, but it performed equally poorly in the US, Canada, and Australia alike, peaking only at #66 in the former and #67 in the latter two. Was Australia particularly unwelcoming of German bands in the 1980s?
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 20, 2017 10:52:18 GMT 10
What makes it even more puzzling, is the fact that alternative-rock was still quite popular in the American music scene in 1996. The United States were embracing British acts, such as Oasis and Blur, yet "Spaceman" by Babylon Zoo was completely shunned and the latter is not even a Brit-pop song! I believe the song epitomizes 1996 in a number of ways. The music video is representative of the dark, moody vibe surrounding the pop culture of the Mid '90s, particularly with it's heavy use of shadowing. Also, the song itself is alternative-rock, which was still a popular genre at the time. Oasis and Blur weren't nearly as popular in the United States as they were in other territories, probably because they came from a movement that was specifically repudiating the cynicism of grunge, which was still really popular in America at Britpop's peak in the 1995-1996 school year. Nobody really bought Blur's albums over here in spite of the minor success of "Girls & Boys" and "Song 2" (the latter of which is a parody of grunge), and while Oasis' (What's the Story) Morning Glory did well in the United States, its success was nowhere near as great as it was in the UK, where Oasis was legitimately considered to be the next Beatles. Also, that's actually not the official music video for "Spaceman" that I linked to, but rather a fan-made music video from 2003. Here's the actual music video (not sure if you were really referring to it, since it also really captures the spirit of 1996): That's interesting to hear! I knew Oasis were the "bigger" of the two in the United States and that "Girls & Boys" and "Song 2" were minor hits, however I didn't realise that the respective albums did not perform particularly well at all. That's surprising, especially given how well "Song 2" performed on the Modern Rock and Hot 100 Airplay charts. Yep, I was referring to the actual music video of "Spaceman". I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. The only German song which I can think of that achieved success here was "99 Luftballons" by Nena, which actually topped the charts in 1984. It's quite possible that Australia was unwelcoming of German bands in the 1980s. The majority of the songs which charted here throughout the decade were either imported US and UK songs, or songs composed by Australian artists/bands.
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Post by #Infinity on Nov 20, 2017 11:06:57 GMT 10
I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. The only German song which I can think of that achieved success here was "99 Luftballons" by Nena, which actually topped the charts in 1984. It's quite possible that Australia was unwelcoming of German bands in the 1980s. The majority of the songs which charted here throughout the decade were either imported US and UK songs, or songs composed by Australian artists/bands. America didn't welcome in all German pop acts, like the aforementioned Modern Talking, but there were still a decent slew of popular songs from German bands that got popular in the 80s, such as Peter Schilling's "Major Tom" and Scorpions' "Rock You Like a Hurricane." Also, the German-speaking Falco, who came from Austria, scored a #1 hit with "Rock Me Amadeus" in the United States and even scored another pretty big single there with "Vienna Calling." On the other hand... This is another one of the very biggest soccer hits of all time. It's the 18th-best-selling hit single in history and did excellently in almost every country it charted in, even France and Canada. In the United States, however, it made absolutely no splash on the Billboard Hot 100 and could only muster a #33 on the rather insignificant Hot Dance Club Play chart. Based on just that song alone, it doesn't really seem like the United States was any more accepting of German pop in the 80s than Australia was, although to be fair, "Da Da Da" is from the early 80s, and America wasn't really 100% embracing of synthpop until 1983.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 25, 2017 23:04:22 GMT 10
It absolutely astounds me that this wasn't even a hit in the US. It didn't even chart on the Billlboard Hot 100! "Teenage Dirtbag" was quite successful in a lot of countries around the world, however it arguably achieved it's biggest success in Australia. It stayed at #1 for four consecutive weeks and it was certified 3x Platinum. The song was the second best-selling single of 2000, despite the fact that the single was only released in July.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 3:05:42 GMT 10
I agree with the list mostly.
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Post by #Infinity on Nov 26, 2017 10:18:05 GMT 10
This won Eurovision for the UK in 1981 and topped the charts of numerous European countries. The United States isn't an active participant in the annual song contest, so it's perhaps not entirely surprising that this failed to crack the charts whatsoever here, but even in countries as far away from Europe as South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, this was a still a big top 10 hit. Also, there have been previous Eurovision songs that have in fact been successful in America, such as ABBA's "Waterloo" and Gina G.'s "Ooh Aah...Just a Little Bit." This was clearly one of the biggest soccer hits of the early 1980s, aside from Trio's "Da Da Da."
Unless you frequented gay night clubs, you probably didn't know about this song whatsoever if you were an American because it didn't reach US shores at all in spite of its huge success everywhere else, Canada excluded.
This song was a resounding success in all sorts of countries around the world in 1996, even places like Japan and Taiwan, but the United States completely passed it up, despite the fact that "Back for Good" was a big hit here in late 1995. Evidently, Americans at the time only had room for Celine Dion, Journey, Az Yet, and Mariah Carey to serve its piano-driven pop ballads, leaving this in total obscurity. Gary Barlow did achieve some success with the adult contemporary crowd in America in late 1997 with "So Help Me Girl," but he never emerged a household name here like he did around the world.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 26, 2017 13:19:05 GMT 10
This won Eurovision for the UK in 1981 and topped the charts of numerous European countries. The United States isn't an active participant in the annual song contest, so it's perhaps not entirely surprising that this failed to crack the charts whatsoever here, but even in countries as far away from Europe as South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, this was a still a big top 10 hit. Also, there have been previous Eurovision songs that have in fact been successful in America, such as ABBA's "Waterloo" and Gina G.'s "Ooh Aah...Just a Little Bit." This was clearly one of the biggest soccer hits of the early 1980s, aside from Trio's "Da Da Da." It's surprising that "Ooh Aah...Just a Little Bit" was ever successful in the US, given that the song is in the mold of Early-Mid '90s Eurodance and America generally chose not to embrace Eurodance.
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Post by #Infinity on Nov 26, 2017 14:27:43 GMT 10
This won Eurovision for the UK in 1981 and topped the charts of numerous European countries. The United States isn't an active participant in the annual song contest, so it's perhaps not entirely surprising that this failed to crack the charts whatsoever here, but even in countries as far away from Europe as South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, this was a still a big top 10 hit. Also, there have been previous Eurovision songs that have in fact been successful in America, such as ABBA's "Waterloo" and Gina G.'s "Ooh Aah...Just a Little Bit." This was clearly one of the biggest soccer hits of the early 1980s, aside from Trio's "Da Da Da." It's surprising that "Ooh Aah...Just a Little Bit" was ever successful in the US, given that the song is in the mold of Early-Mid '90s Eurodance and America generally chose not to embrace Eurodance. Actually, America did import a lot of eurodance. It was much more of a mainstream presence here than Britpop or mid-90s European teen pop ever was. Real McCoy and La Bouche had multiple big hit singles in the States, and Ace of Base were absolutely huge here in the mid-90s. Several other classic eurodance songs became big hits in the United States, such as Haddaway's "What Is Love" ("Life" also did well), Corona's "The Rhythm of the Night," Amber's "This Is Your Night," Rednex's "Cotton Eye Joe," Culture Beat's "Mr. Vain," Captain Hollywood Project's "More and More," and Nicki French's cover of "Total Eclipse of the Heart," among others. While not a whole lot of eurodance made it to American shores, it was still a huge part of the pop scene here regardless, and the movement produced surprisingly few soccer hits, seeing as the most successful songs of the genre almost always made it to the United States as well. The genre also lasted a year longer in the United States than it did in the UK, having still been in its peak throughout 1996 and only fading away around mid-1997, whereas in the UK, its decline started in early 1996 and it was dead by roughly autumn of that same year. While we're on the subject though, here would be probably the biggest soccer hits of the mid-90s eurodance movement: Yet another homebred soccer hit – ironic that of all eurodance songs, it was the one performed by an American that did particularly poorly in North America despite hitting #1 in several other countries worldwide. My guess for that is that unlike most eurodance songs, which employed the familiar male rapper/female singer trope, this was clearly a novelty song, which most Americans just couldn't take seriously from 1991 to 1996. "Cotton Eye Joe" most likely got lucky because it appealed more to the Southern audience that most prominently resists imported popular music but was embracing the line dance craze and found it quite a ballroom floor filler. Whigfield, of course, wouldn't make it huge in Australia until 1997, ironically the time they had fallen out of favour elsewhere, but this was an astronomically successful hit throughout Europe in the mid-90s. Whigfield had zero hits in the United States, who refused to import anything from Denmark until Lukas Graham achieved international superstardom two decades later. Mind you, this act is guilty of the exact same ploy as Milli Vanilli, hiring a model to lip-sync their songs live and pose on the album and CD covers, despite the fact that it was somebody else entirely singing their songs. Most people believed Whigfield to be be Sannie Charlotte Carlson, but actually her songs were recorded by Annerley Gordon, one of her songwriters. Most other eurodance groups at the time hired real singers to appear on their records, so it's no surprise to me that Whigfield was specifically ignored over here. I was surprised when I found out that this was actually 2 Unlimited's biggest hit worldwide, not "Get Ready for This," because I had never heard it as an American except as a remix featured in Dance Dance Revolution 5th Mix. It shot up to #1 in numerous countries but didn't chart in the United States or Canada. 2 Unlimited may be the only titans of eurodance who were superstars everywhere in the mid-90s except North America. It's interesting, actually, because their first two singles, "Get Ready for This" and "Twilight Zone," flopped when they charted here in the early 90s, yet both songs were extremely popular at sporting events throughout the decade, with "Get Ready for This" actually becoming a legitimate hit here in early 1995. 2 Unlimited can be easily compared, in this regard, to the Outhere Brothers and Reel 2 Real, both of which produced multiple hits that were only technically successful on foreign charts but were well-known at sporting events and featured on ESPN's Jock Jams series throughout the decade. Songs like "No Limit" and "Tribal Dance" were also on these compilations, so I guess 2 Unlimited did at least have a place in American pop culture history, unlike East 17 or Pulp. I think most Americans, including myself, knew who they were, a lot more actually than most eurodance acts that did score big chart hits.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Nov 26, 2017 21:04:04 GMT 10
Actually, America did import a lot of eurodance. It was much more of a mainstream presence here than Britpop or mid-90s European teen pop ever was. Real McCoy and La Bouche had multiple big hit singles in the States, and Ace of Base were absolutely huge here in the mid-90s. Several other classic eurodance songs became big hits in the United States, such as Haddaway's "What Is Love" ("Life" also did well), Corona's "The Rhythm of the Night," Amber's "This Is Your Night," Rednex's "Cotton Eye Joe," Culture Beat's "Mr. Vain," Captain Hollywood Project's "More and More," and Nicki French's cover of "Total Eclipse of the Heart," among others. While not a whole lot of eurodance made it to American shores, it was still a huge part of the pop scene here regardless, and the movement produced surprisingly few soccer hits, seeing as the most successful songs of the genre almost always made it to the United States as well. The genre also lasted a year longer in the United States than it did in the UK, having still been in its peak throughout 1996 and only fading away around mid-1997, whereas in the UK, its decline started in early 1996 and it was dead by roughly autumn of that same year. That's interesting to hear, because I was always under the impression that Eurodance was never a serious movement in the United States. I was aware that several artists achieved success with selective singles (e.g Corona, Haddaway), but I didn't realise that the genre was as successful to the extent that you explained. If America embraced several Eurodance artists (although, I guess it's popularity may have just been a reflection of society at the time), it only highlights how strange it is that the country is so reluctant in accepting European artists/bands from other genres of music. I guess the lip-syncing could have been a reason for Whigfield not achieving success in America, although i'm not sure if the American public would have been too fussed about it, to be honest. As you mentioned, I think it's simply due to the fact that the group were from Denmark and America had yet to embrace a group from the country, as for why Whigfield did not achieve any success in the US.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 2, 2017 17:25:15 GMT 10
This indie-pop song from German band, Milky Chance. It charted within the Top-40 in several European countries and peaked at #10 here in Australia, yet it did not chart in the UK and it only charted at #18 on the US Alternative Songs chart. For some reason, this was a pretty big hit here in Late 2016/Early 2017. It was actually more successful in Australia than it was in it's native Germany!
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Post by #Infinity on Dec 4, 2017 13:48:43 GMT 10
During the 90s, Shaggy was known primarily as a one-hit wonder for 1995's "Boombastic" in the United States, although he would eventually break from that distinction with two #1's six years later. Before "Boombastic," though, he actually released another song that was huge in the early 90s all over the world, but only peaked at #59 in the United States (it barely made the top 40 in Canada).
Pop reggae, possibly more than eurodance to be honest, was another musical trend that dominated pop around the world in the early and mid-1990s but mostly failed to catch on in the United States. We did get a few smash hits, such as "Informer," "Here Comes the Hotstepper," UB40's cover of "Can't Help Falling in Love," and the aforementioned "Boombastic," but the United States just wasn't as keen to take most of these songs up the charts.
Among some of the other notable soccer hits of the pop-reggae movement of 1992-1996 include these:
This cover of the 1968 hit by the Equals was absolutely enormous in the UK and charted well in quite a few other territories, too, but it did not chart in the United States at all. To be fair, the original track wasn't a hit in the US, either, but Americans at the time were simply much more interested in contemporary r&b.
This reached the top 10 of almost every First World country globally, but it made no appearance whatsoever on the Canadian or American charts. This actually surprises me much less than "Oh Carolina" and "Baby Come Back's" respective failures to catch on in North America, however, because it's also teen pop bubblegum, and even by 1996, when the track became huge outside of Australia, Canadians and Americans were still not ready to take pretty-faced kitsch like this seriously. From what I've heard, it's considered one of the absolute worst songs of the 1990s, so I suppose most North Americans are thankful it never emerged a summer smash in their region. I personally think it's a fun, cute song, but I can certainly understand the backlash, too.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 4, 2017 14:35:21 GMT 10
During the 90s, Shaggy was known primarily as a one-hit wonder for 1995's "Boombastic" in the United States, although he would eventually break from that distinction with two #1's six years later. Before "Boombastic," though, he actually released another song that was huge in the early 90s all over the world, but only peaked at #59 in the United States (it barely made the top 40 in Canada). Interestingly enough, "Oh Carolina" actually topped the charts in the UK! It's surprising that Shaggy was never able to achieve mass success in the United States. I know that pop reggae never really caught on, like you mentioned, but given the success of "Boombastic", you would have thought that he would achieved more success with one of his follow-up singles. It's funny that you should mention that this song is quite often regarded as one of the worst songs of the '90s. I'm not sure if you have read up on it or not, but from what I understand, Peter Andre copped a lot of backlash from the Australian public, despite how successful his singles were. In fact, he decided to permanently move to the UK to continue his career, due to the amount of criticism that was directed towards him and his songs. Many people viewed him as being a "poor man's" Michael Jackson.
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Post by #Infinity on Dec 4, 2017 18:06:32 GMT 10
Interestingly enough, "Oh Carolina" actually topped the charts in the UK! It's surprising that Shaggy was never able to achieve mass success in the United States. I know that pop reggae never really caught on, like you mentioned, but given the success of "Boombastic", you would have thought that he would achieved more success with one of his follow-up singles. He did achieve massive fame in the United States, it's just that he had to wait a couple more years for his spotlight there than in most countries after "Oh Carolina" flopped in 1993. Despite that single's lack of success in America, "Boombastic" was a huge top 10 hit here in 1995, and Shaggy got even more gigantic in 2001, when "It Wasn't Me" and "Angel" both went to #1. Interestingly he even had a couple of minor pop airplay hits in 2015 with "I Need Your Love" and "Only Love."It's only natural for successful manufactured bubblegum musicians to whip up a ton of backlash. I usually get tired of purists bashing pop musicians just because their talent rests in their stage charisma and singing as opposed to artistry, since there are far more layers to any production than meets the eye. However, sounding so much like Michael Jackson certainly puts you under quite a special degree of scrutiny. I noticed that Peter Andre scored a whole bunch of hits in his native Australia during the early-to-mid-90s, even though his success in the UK was strictly confined to 1996-1998, aside from a television appearance that brought a reissue of "Mysterious Girl" to #1 in 2004. I suppose you can say his success was sort of opposite of Whigfield, which, as I noted earlier, was primarily popular in Europe during the mid-90s but successful only in Australia by the start of the late 90s.
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