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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 27, 2018 17:46:16 GMT 10
After a few years contemplating, I've finally decided... I hate this wretched song: Yeah, its beat has a groove, but it does so many things that rate so high on my annoy-o-meter that I have no desire to listen to it. The melody is repetitive and tattling, and combined with the pretentiously enigmatic lyrics and telephone vocal effect, it comes across as vapid snootiness to me, the type of stuff intended more to make you feel inferior or unenlightened for your own qualities rather than just to entertain. The sample of the 1920s trumpet that happens to sound like the Imperial March is gimmicky and doesn't flow with the rest of the piece, either. "Your Woman" is one of the single most heavy-handedly "hip" song I've ever come across. I'm perfectly open-minded to lots of artsy music, but that's because those songs don't have such a condescending tone and aren't insufferable ear worms. I tend to agree. I don't particularly like "Your Woman" either, although it isn't one of my least favourite songs from the decade. Similar to the point you raised, my main gripe with the song is how repetitive the melody is and I think it completely ruins the song. If the melody wasn't so repetitive, I wouldn't actually mind listening to it. However, at over four minutes along, it's a real chore to listen to the song in it's entirety. It's interesting to hear your viewpoint on the song. If i'm being honest, I actually don't mind "Lovefool", although it's more of a guilty pleasure rather than a song I would go out of my way to listen to. With that said, I can completely understand why you and others (I have seen "Lovefool" listed in a few "worst songs" countdowns before) would find the song to be annoying and overrated.
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Post by Telso on Aug 27, 2018 17:54:45 GMT 10
"Butterfly" is a classic! It's iconic to Dance Dance Revolution and is complete with a tight, juicy beat and catchy hooks. I just don't like it and I've been overexposed to it so everything about it falls on the flat side of things, and I've also heard better stuff in the same style of exagerated Eurodance (though I definitely believe there's even worse as well, but "Butterfly" is just one that immediately stands out to me) :/ Doesn't help that I immediately associate the song with noisy children toys I just want to throw away through the window.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 27, 2018 17:56:14 GMT 10
The worst aspect of Eurodance is when it pushes its best aspects (cheesiness and childish fun) to dangerous limits, where it becomes just blatantly pathetic regardless which audience it's trying to target to. Too bad, I've heard this song way too many times because it is heavily featured in music toys for some reason, and it is just so utterly annoying. And yeah, this is second rate stuff from Europe, so some shameless Asiansploitation thrown into the mix for the Americans out there wondering. Yeah, that's definitely not my cup of tea. I'll admit, i'm not particularly a fan of Eurodance music, but that song is just a standard below other notable releases from that genre.
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Post by #Infinity on Aug 27, 2018 17:56:31 GMT 10
It's interesting to hear your viewpoint on the song. If i'm being honest, I actually don't mind "Lovefool", although it's more of a guilty pleasure rather than a song I would go out of my way to listen to. With that said, I can completely understand why you and others (I have seen "Lovefool" listed in a few "worst songs" countdowns before) would find the song to be annoying and overrated. You've seen it on "worst songs" countdowns? I thought those typically belonged to "MMMBop", "Tubthumping", and "Barbie Girl", not "Lovefool", which I still hear a lot in passing and which I was under the impression everybody praises as some piece of genuine art. Somebody on Twitter even called the Cardigans unquestionably superior to S Club 7, which, if "Lovefool" is what we're basing such a claim on, makes me cringe with disgust.
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Post by #Infinity on Aug 27, 2018 17:57:54 GMT 10
"Butterfly" is a classic! It's iconic to Dance Dance Revolution and is complete with a tight, juicy beat and catchy hooks. I just don't like it and I've been overexposed to it so everything about it falls on the flat side of things, and I've also heard better stuff in the same style of exagerated Eurodance (though I definitely believe there's even worse as well, but "Butterfly" is just one that immediately stands out to me) :/ Doesn't help that I immediately associate the song with noisy children toys I just want to throw away through the window. I associate it indelibly with DDR. It's actually the most famous DDR song of all time, so much so that it ultimately led to smile.dk collaborating with DDR's in-house composer Naomi Maeda for some music. Keep in mind that I'm a hardcore fan of DDR, so "Butterfly" holds nostalgia value for me. I've never actually heard it attached to any children's toy.
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Post by Telso on Aug 27, 2018 18:00:45 GMT 10
Here's what I'm talking about:
Imagine that looped over and over because little kids just love to push buttons repeatedly.
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Post by #Infinity on Aug 27, 2018 18:02:25 GMT 10
Imagine that looped over and over because little kids just love to push buttons repeatedly. Welp, glad I never crossed path with that thing, then. By contrast, if you're dancing to the song as an 80-second cut rather than just a primordial vine meme, the experience is much more delightful.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 27, 2018 18:08:26 GMT 10
You've seen it on "worst songs" countdowns? I thought those typically belonged to "MMMBop", "Tubthumping", and "Barbie Girl", not "Lovefool", which I still hear a lot in passing and which I was under the impression everybody praises as some piece of genuine art. Somebody on Twitter even called the Cardigans unquestionably superior to S Club 7, which, if "Lovefool" is what we're basing such a claim on, makes me cringe with disgust. I have, but not very often. You're right, most "worst songs of the '90s" countdowns are typically reserved for songs such as "MMMBop", "Tubthumping" and "Barbie Girl", however I have on the rare occasion come across "Lovefool" on those lists as well. To be honest, i'm not really surprised that someone would call The Cardigans "unquestionably superior" to S Club 7, even though it's entirely subjective and not necessarily the case. Of course, that's not to degrade S Club 7 in any way, but because pop-rock generally receives more praise and appreciation than bubblegum-pop, I can see why some people would automatically perceive The Cardigan's music in that way without ever giving it a second thought. It's completely subjective though. I personally don't think The Cardigans should be compared with S Club 7.
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Post by #Infinity on Aug 27, 2018 18:19:26 GMT 10
You've seen it on "worst songs" countdowns? I thought those typically belonged to "MMMBop", "Tubthumping", and "Barbie Girl", not "Lovefool", which I still hear a lot in passing and which I was under the impression everybody praises as some piece of genuine art. Somebody on Twitter even called the Cardigans unquestionably superior to S Club 7, which, if "Lovefool" is what we're basing such a claim on, makes me cringe with disgust. I have, but not very often. You're right, most "worst songs of the '90s" countdowns are typically reserved for songs such as "MMMBop", "Tubthumping" and "Barbie Girl", however I have on the rare occasion come across "Lovefool" on those lists as well. To be honest, i'm not really surprised that someone would call The Cardigans "unquestionably superior" to S Club 7, even though it's entirely subjective and not necessarily the case. Of course, that's not to degrade S Club 7 in any way, but because pop-rock generally receives more praise and appreciation than bubblegum-pop, I can see why some people would automatically perceive The Cardigan's music in that way without ever giving it a second thought. It's completely subjective though. I personally don't think The Cardigans should be compared with S Club 7. Yeah, I despise how frequently indie music is shoved down as objectively superior and more "real" than music that's more upbeat and melodious like S Club 7, eurodance, or eurobeat. Just because you're producing your song with electronic instruments and not guitars doesn't make your sound any more "artificial" (guitars are manmade too, you know), and just because your tone is more carefree and spirited does not mean you're shallow and insincere. S Club 7's songs genuinely resonate with the most precious part of my soul far, far more than "Lovefool" or any other try-hard indie song ever can. For several years, my self-confidence was severely diminished because of how everybody around me seemed to treat all the mushy, up-its-arse indie rock as "good", "cool", "enlightened", and "real", while nobody ever thought I was special or worthy of attention for my love of eurobeat, eurodance, and the ilk, which I do appreciate for several reasons that aren't simply because I haven't given indie music a chance or whatever.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 27, 2018 18:35:17 GMT 10
It was a big hit in the United States in 1998 and was apparently even bigger in Australia. Why? I have absolutely no idea. I know this is an old post, but I have come across something which may partially explain why "Touch It" by Monifah was a huge hit in both countries. If the comments here are anything to go by, it was successful purely because of the song's sex appeal. That's completely understandable. Music resonates with people in different ways. Everyone should be able to find pleasure in listening to whatever they wish, without facing any discrimination associated with their personal choice of music. It's hypocritical of people to condone the interests of others and deem what "is" or what "isn't" good, when liking/disliking something by it's very nature is entirely subjective.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Aug 27, 2018 22:33:54 GMT 10
Here's what I'm talking about: Imagine that looped over and over because little kids just love to push buttons repeatedly. I had a similar experience with one of these: Back in 2005, for a limited time, McDonalds included these Crazy Frog "musical belt clips" as part of their Happy Meals. I received one at the time and while my six-year-old self did initially enjoy listening to "Axel F" over and over again, it soon became a complete nuisance. Due to the fact that they were included in Happy Meals, other kids started to play the song constantly as well and "Axel F" seemingly became inescapable. It also didn't help matters that plenty of people also downloaded the song to use as a ringtone on their phone.
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Post by Telso on Jan 28, 2019 14:15:38 GMT 10
Exploring the early 1990s charts was fun, so much bad stuff...
Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, please. This is not how you do a sex jam, this spoken whisper party + looped basic machine drum programming is the most hackneyed thing in the world. I like the pro-LGBT themes of your Erotica era in a time where society was still very homophobic, but this is just boring as all hell.
This has to be one of the worst ballads I've heard in my life... Not only is the musicianship so sappy and cliché, but Stevie B's voice is downright awful. It's so nasal. The echo effect is distracting and makes the song needlessly whitespaced. Yuck!
Annoying persona, annoying theme, annoying way of accentuating the wrong vowels. Generic New Jack Swing backing. Kind of represent everything I don't like about the genre.
I hate this group. Everything they make is so wooden and stilted and devoid of anything worthwhile musically. Their harmonies are just awful, by far the worst of the whole 1990s. And boy did that decade love their harmonizing groups so they are tons of them. While not nearly as bad as "I Wanna Sex You Up", this is still very bad due to how sneary the whole thing is.
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Post by Telso on Jan 28, 2019 14:46:22 GMT 10
Back in 2005, for a limited time, McDonalds included these Crazy Frog "musical belt clips" as part of their Happy Meals. I received one at the time and while my six-year-old self did initially enjoy listening to "Axel F" over and over again, it soon became a complete nuisance. Due to the fact that they were included in Happy Meals, other kids started to play the song constantly as well and "Axel F" seemingly became inescapable. It also didn't help matters that plenty of people also downloaded the song to use as a ringtone on their phone. Europe loved the shit out of "Crazy Frog" too, which peaking in high positions in plenty of charts across the countries. 3D animals singing annoying tunes was basically the transatlantic version of Snap Rap. I personally never really cared about "Crazy Frog". I mostly associate it with something I saw on TV occasionaly, and for a kid seeing an animated frog doing dumb things seemed like watching your typical wacky cartoon tv show with obnoxious characters. It's only years after that I realized it was meant to be an actual song... Granted it's not the worst novelty song sung by an animated animal (looking at you "Disco Duck")
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Post by SharksFan99 on Jan 28, 2019 15:49:46 GMT 10
Exploring the early 1990s charts was fun, so much bad stuff... Madonna, Madonna, Madonna, please. This is not how you do a sex jam, this spoken whisper party + looped basic machine drum programming is the most hackneyed thing in the world. I like the pro-LGBT themes of your Erotica era in a time where society was still very homophobic, but this is just boring as all hell. I don't hate that song or anything, although I will admit that it's one of Madonna's weaker efforts. If you knew nothing about Madonna or the career she had, after hearing this, you would never believe that the same artist who released this also released "Like a Virgin" and "Ray of Light". Yeah, that's understandable. I'm glad that's a trend that Australia mostly missed out on, to be honest. Crazy Frog and Schnappi became hits here, but no other 3D anthropomorphised animals were popular here as far as I can recall. I assume a lot people in Belgium and across mainland Europe at the time had Crazy Frog as their ringtone as well? That was the main reason why I stopped liking "Axel F" after a while. So many people at the time had it as their ringtone and there was even ads on TV which advertised it as well.
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Post by Telso on Mar 23, 2022 6:23:07 GMT 10
Watered down piano rock production, a generic ballad progression ripped straight off late 80s adult contempo radio, and an abysmally whiny-sounding vocalist. The sentiment came from a great and admirable place, but musically this is so wrong on so many levels.
What an absolute waste of great lyrics. This song goes straight into my bottom 10 songs for the 90s.
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