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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 23, 2021 21:58:41 GMT 10
People usually mention it as one of the shift years of the 2010s and some say it's the oldest year that feels somewhat recent but it wasn't THAT changeful. Off the top of my head, vine and instagram(you could argue this happened in late 2012) blew up, 8th gen consoles came out which are really just 7th gen on steroids with a few QoL improvements and people got spiked up haircuts. People say electropop died out and was replaced with indie pop like Lorde this year but I dont see it at all, in the very end of that year you still had electropop and dance-pop songs playing, you still had indie and EDM which were almost as popular as electropop was in 2012 going stronger than ever before. Same vibe and aesthetic with hipsters and whatnot.
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Post by slashpop on Nov 23, 2021 22:12:17 GMT 10
People usually mention it as one of the shift years of the 2010s and some say it's the oldest year that feels somewhat recent but it wasn't THAT changeful. Off the top of my head, vine and instagram(you could argue this happened in late 2012) blew up, 8th gen consoles came out which are really just 7th gen on steroids with a few QoL improvements and people got spiked up haircuts. People say electropop died out and was replaced with indie pop like Lorde this year but I dont see it at all, in the very end of that year you still had electropop and dance-pop songs playing, you still had indie and EDM which were almost as popular as electropop was in 2012 going stronger than ever before. Same vibe and aesthetic with hipsters and whatnot. 2012 had everything. Batter was 2011, cake was 2012 and the frosting and sprinkles were 2013
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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 23, 2021 22:24:25 GMT 10
People usually mention it as one of the shift years of the 2010s and some say it's the oldest year that feels somewhat recent but it wasn't THAT changeful. Off the top of my head, vine and instagram(you could argue this happened in late 2012) blew up, 8th gen consoles came out which are really just 7th gen on steroids with a few QoL improvements and people got spiked up haircuts. People say electropop died out and was replaced with indie pop like Lorde this year but I dont see it at all, in the very end of that year you still had electropop and dance-pop songs playing, you still had indie and EDM which were almost as popular as electropop was in 2012 going stronger than ever before. Same vibe and aesthetic with hipsters and whatnot. 2012 had everything. Batter was 2011, cake was 2012 and the frosting and sprinkles were 2013
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Post by Telso on Nov 23, 2021 23:06:47 GMT 10
Well, you forgot several shifts: First of all, yes, electropop declined pretty badly in this year. Just compare a chart from late 2013 with late 2012. www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2012-11-17/vs. www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2013-11-16/Not only you had major flops from artists like Lady Gaga and Ke$ha which was unthinkable in previous years, but artists like Chris Brown and Katy Perry started to turn away from the style. Second of all, this year was agreeably the proper start of the streaming era. With Spotify and YouTube numbers finally counting for the charts, and the Netflix releasing its own original series like Orange is the New Black which kickstarted the whole bingewatching culture. This was a massive shift in media consumption. This year basically killed digital sales of music and strongly weakened cable TV's domination on media. Youtube numbers counting also meant that a song could be popularized by by the means of memes, so their presence in pop culture felt far stronger than in any previous year. Just look at how the Harlem Shake took the world by the storm early that year. Third of all, IOS 7 popularized the flat design (attempts were made before by Windows but with subpar results at best). But thanks to Apple, the dying days of skeuomorphism were counting. Yes, 2013 is easily the biggest shift year of the 2010s. As put nicely by this Katy Perry promo, it was the end of an era:
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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 24, 2021 10:18:54 GMT 10
Well, you forgot several shifts: First of all, yes, electropop declined pretty badly in this year. Just compare a chart from late 2013 with late 2012. www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2012-11-17/vs. www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/2013-11-16/Not only you had major flops from artists like Lady Gaga and Ke$ha which was unthinkable in previous years, but artists like Chris Brown and Katy Perry started to turn away from the style. Second of all, this year was agreeably the proper start of the streaming era. With Spotify and YouTube numbers finally counting for the charts, and the Netflix releasing its own original series like Orange is the New Black which kickstarted the whole bingewatching culture. This was a massive shift in media consumption. This year basically killed digital sales of music and strongly weakened cable TV's domination on media. Youtube numbers counting also meant that a song could be popularized by by the means of memes, so their presence in pop culture felt far stronger than in any previous year. Just look at how the Harlem Shake took the world by the storm early that year. Third of all, IOS 7 popularized the flat design (attempts were made before by Windows but with subpar results at best). But thanks to Apple, the dying days of skeuomorphism were counting. Yes, 2013 is easily the biggest shift year of the 2010s. As put nicely by this Katy Perry promo, it was the end of an era: Alt pop was taking over but you still had electropop hits around the end of the year like "Applause" and "Timber". You still had the TV and radio playing electropop songs from earlier in the year like "I love it" by icona pop. The whole alt pop indie trend really began in 2012 with Lana Del Ray as well. >Second of all, this year was agreeably the proper start of the streaming era. I did not notice streaming taking off until 2015 at the earliest. Do you have a statistic for this? >Youtube numbers counting also meant that a song could be popularized by by the means of memes Gangnam style blew up the previous year and memes rarely become hit songs.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Nov 24, 2021 10:23:10 GMT 10
I normally group 2013 with 2011 and 2012. A shift started in late* 2013, but I'd say the real shift was 2014.
Kind of the same with 2016 IMO, a shift did start in the late part of the year but the real shift was 2017.
Same goes with 2003/2004, 2008/2009, 2019/2020, etc.
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Post by Telso on Nov 24, 2021 10:47:22 GMT 10
Alt pop was taking over but you still had electropop hits around the end of the year like "Applause" and "Timber". "Applause" burned out incredibly quickly. After only two months it already started to collapse in the charts and had nowhere near the longevity of previous Gaga leads like "Bad Romance" or "Born This Way". "Timber" is so watered down dance music it barely counts as electropop. It's a generic dance beat with a 70s soft rock sample. Even Wikipedia calls it "folktronica" instead of electropop. But regardless of the very few leftovers, people were clearly over the genre and the charts shifted to reflect that. Lana Del Ray was really big in indie circles, but she hardly impacted the pop charts. She did have a top 40 pop crossover in 2013 with a "Summertime Sadness" remix which gave her a boost of visibility. Billboard made a whole entire article about it: www.google.com/amp/s/www.billboard.com/music/music-news/2013-year-of-streaming-8545169/amp/"Gagnam Style" infamously didn't reach the peaks of the charts because streaming numbers back then didn't count. This change of formula in 2013 opened the doors for countless songs in subsequent years to explode on the charts thanks to memes or Vine: "What Does the Fox Say?", "#Selfie", "Watch Me", "Juju on the Beat", "Black Beatles", ...
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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 24, 2021 16:54:47 GMT 10
Mid to late 2008 started the early 2010s which completed by late 2009 Late 2010 started the core 2010s which were finished in mid 2011 Mid 2012 started the mid 2010s but they were completed by early 2013 Late 2014/early 15 started late 2010s but they were completed in early 2017 Late 2018 started the transition that was completed in either 2019 or 2020 or to be announced I respectfully disagree with the mid to late transition. It's way too loose. 2014 sowed a few seeds for the transition(gamer-gate, ISIS) summer 2015 is where it felt like things were actually changing with trump announcing his run, gay marriage being legalised and whatnot.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Nov 24, 2021 16:57:29 GMT 10
I normally group 2013 with 2011 and 2012. A shift started in late* 2013, but I'd say the real shift was 2014. Kind of the same with 2016 IMO, a shift did start in the late part of the year but the real shift was 2017. Same goes with 2003/2004, 2008/2009, 2019/2020, etc. I didn't notice much of a shift in 2014 or 2017. It felt more like the new culture yesteryear brought about was being solidified without adding much new to the table.
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Post by mc98 on Nov 28, 2021 2:09:40 GMT 10
Yeah but it’s felt by the end of the year.
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Post by dudewitdausername on Nov 28, 2021 2:11:05 GMT 10
Yeah but it’s felt by the end of the year. yeah most shift years dont really feel that different from the years before it. It's the year after them that feels different which is what I'm saying. 2014 and 2017 felt really different from the years before them. 2020 did too obv, but not pop culturally. I'm thinking that'll be 2022.
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Post by John Titor on Nov 28, 2021 2:59:05 GMT 10
Yeah but it’s felt by the end of the year. yeah def, it was clear by November 2013 electropop was over
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Post by sman12 on Dec 1, 2021 10:12:24 GMT 10
Yep. Smartphones overtook feature phones worldwide, electropop was dying out, hashtags were everywhere, the flat design aesthetic was popular, eighth gen gaming was underway with the PS4 and Xbox One, and Netflix had wildly popular shows like House of Cards and Orange Is The New Black.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Dec 1, 2021 12:37:53 GMT 10
Yep. Smartphones overtook feature phones worldwide, electropop was dying out, hashtags were everywhere, the flat design aesthetic was popular, eighth gen gaming was underway with the PS4 and Xbox One, and Netflix had wildly popular shows like House of Cards and Orange Is The New Black. Smartphones pretty much took off in 2011 and just gradually got even bigger and bigger since. Electropop was dying out but you still had electropop at the end of the year like "Timber" and "Applause. You still had electropop music lingering around from earlier in the year. Besides at that point electropop basically morphed into EDM by like 2012 anyway so EDM remaining popular still doesn't make the absence of electropop feel too different. Flat design? Eh maybe. I can't remember exactly when that took off. People say IOS7 means this took off late 2013 but if it's just one operating system that does it and nothing else then I wouldn't really say flat design took off then. 8th gen gaming did indeed start and had showncased many next gen games before launch. Then again it's basically just 7th gen on steroids. Nothing revolutionary like the SNES to N64 or PS2 to PS3 leap.
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Post by slashpop on Dec 1, 2021 17:09:01 GMT 10
I feel that 2013 was a shift but just a upgrade of what was already taking place or established in 11 and 12, and a year that gets overstated as marker for distinct new era.
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