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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 3:59:33 GMT 10
Abortion has been legal in Britain for 50 years (still illegal in Ireland due to the Church influence) and should remain so. It looks like they'll legalize at the end of this month by referendum, where the appeal vote is polling in the lead by a massive margin. 
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Post by outlaw on May 6, 2018 5:37:26 GMT 10
Yes.
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Post by rainbow on May 6, 2018 5:57:03 GMT 10
I don't invest my time to debate on this topic since women will still get abortions regardless of what the law says. I think this debate is more like "Do you think abortion is good or bad?" because a lot of people don't really talk about the laws or something like that when they debate about this.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 11:12:50 GMT 10
I hope so, Slowpoke. I have lived in Britain since the age of 8 but I still keep up with the news back home. Seem to have missed this one though.
Speaking of Ireland, I have just downed an entire bottle of Irish Cream liqueur so I am slightly stoned!
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Post by Telso on May 7, 2018 7:16:44 GMT 10
Absolutely, it's the mother's full commitement and she shouldn't be ashamed for this choice if she makes it. It's certainly better to end a life from the get-go and preventing it having a whole one promised full of misery if it's something you already aknowledge as a mother. Once it's birthed you can't go back. Adoption is an absolutely devastating process for the biological mother in many cases from what I've heard. She will go through her whole life with regrets and mental-ruining doubts about her kid having it better or not. There's many, many other cases beyond rape and incest.
People againt abortion have no sympathy towards women in distress, and hypocritically don't care whatseover about the life of the person once it's birthed.
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Post by Attorney General ReignMan on May 7, 2018 9:18:07 GMT 10
Yes, abortion should be legal. It should be the woman's choice since it's their body.
Abortions will happen whether it's legal or not. Also, I don't think that anyone wants the number of abortions to increase but it should be an option for women to have because once again...it's THEIR bodies.
If men could get pregnant, then abortions wouldn't be this fiercely debated against.
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Post by prodanny288 on May 7, 2018 9:33:52 GMT 10
Yes, abortion should be legal. It should be the woman's choice since it's their body.Abortions will happen whether it's legal or not. Also, I don't think that anyone wants the number of abortions to increase but it should be an option for women to have because once again...it's THEIR bodies. If men could get pregnant, then abortions wouldn't be this fiercely debated against. That’s like saying a woman can kill her baby since it’s in her body.
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Post by rainbow on May 7, 2018 9:40:30 GMT 10
Yes, abortion should be legal. It should be the woman's choice since it's their body.Abortions will happen whether it's legal or not. Also, I don't think that anyone wants the number of abortions to increase but it should be an option for women to have because once again...it's THEIR bodies. If men could get pregnant, then abortions wouldn't be this fiercely debated against. That’s like saying a woman can kill her baby since it’s in her body. Damn. You made a really good point. Personally, for me, I'm not really supportive of the idea of abortion being completely legal. It should only be legal up to a certain time IMO. But even then I'm still not so sure because the biggest reason why I don't agree with it is that technically, it's murder no matter when you get it.
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Post by Attorney General ReignMan on May 7, 2018 9:58:31 GMT 10
Yes, abortion should be legal. It should be the woman's choice since it's their body.Abortions will happen whether it's legal or not. Also, I don't think that anyone wants the number of abortions to increase but it should be an option for women to have because once again...it's THEIR bodies. If men could get pregnant, then abortions wouldn't be this fiercely debated against. That’s like saying a woman can kill her baby since it’s in her body. It's not murder since fetuses aren't babies. People are acting as if legalizing abortions means that women can just have an abortion when they are 8 months pregnant. That is false. ABORTION IS NOT MURDER!
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Post by Attorney General ReignMan on May 7, 2018 10:01:17 GMT 10
That’s like saying a woman can kill her baby since it’s in her body. Damn. You made a really good point. Personally, for me, I'm not really supportive of the idea of abortion being completely legal. It should only be legal up to a certain time IMO. But even then I'm still not so sure because the biggest reason why I don't agree with it is that technically, it's murder no matter when you get it. Abortion is not murder. Read this article: www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/politics/a19748134/what-is-abortion/
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Post by Attorney General ReignMan on May 7, 2018 11:44:07 GMT 10
It's not murder since fetuses aren't babies. People are acting as if legalizing abortions means that women can just have an abortion when they are 8 months pregnant. That is false. ABORTION IS NOT MURDER! I think most people on both sides of the debate can agree that abortion shouldn't be birth control. From the looks of it, the majority of people aren't really one extreme or the other. I just think that there should be a clear cut window of time before an abortion can happen. In a lot of states, the window of time is 24 to 26 weeks.
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Post by sweetbaby on May 7, 2018 12:12:45 GMT 10
Absolutely. A woman shouldn't be forced to go through an unwanted pregnancy if she was raped, or the condom broke during sexual intercourse.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 12:30:53 GMT 10
Absolutely, it's the mother's full commitement and she shouldn't be ashamed for this choice if she makes it. It's certainly better to end a life from the get-go and preventing it having a whole one promised full of misery if it's something you already aknowledge as a mother. Once it's birthed you can't go back. Adoption is an absolutely devastating process for the biological mother in many cases from what I've heard. She will go through her whole life with regrets and mental-ruining doubts about her kid having it better or not. There's many, many other cases beyond rape and incest. People againt abortion have no sympathy towards women in distress, and hypocritically don't care whatseover about the life of the person once it's birthed. That's how I feel too. I don't find abortion morally wrong but I do find it morally questionable to bring a child into this world that you cannot provide a good life for, and potentially create a lifetime of suffering. It is best to terminate the pregnancy before the organism is capable of suffering. I also don't think going through the painful process of child birth and then having to give up your child via adoption is a reasonable expectation to have of people. The mother will always grow attached to the baby, and losing your child can be emotionally traumatizing and scarring. I also think saying life starts at conception is just a bit silly. After fertilization the blastocyst has to implant in the uterus, and the vast majority of blastocysts do not. That would mean 80%+ of humans die in the womb and get flushed down the toilet never to be heard of. The truth is they were never living in the first place. If a so-called "living" organism needs to feed off another organism to survive, then it is not living. This is where the aspect of choice comes in: it's a woman's body and it's her choice whether she wants to raise this organism into a living human. Other people, living or not, do not have the right to use her body against her will. Saying she must allow another organism to zap her of her resources is a fundamental attack on her liberty and autonomy. Either way, even if you make it illegal, that doesn't mean people won't get abortions. Indeed they'll still get abortions, just with much more awful societal consequences. An Iraqi friend of mine told me a story once. A teenage girl got pregnant sleeping with her boyfriend. She didn't want her family to find out, because it would have brought them shame, so she went to a back-alley abortion doctor. The doctor said he would agree to help her abort the baby, but she would need to agree to have sex with him whenever pleases, or else he'll rat her and her family out. Sure enough, that is what happened, and he also started sharing her around with his friends too. She was gangraped almost daily, until she gave up and ended her own life. That's just one story, there millions of other like her in this world. There are many who get coat-hanger back-alley abortions who either die or get seriously injured, these women are many people's mothers or providers. I don't think we should animate the unanimated fetus over the actual living human carrying it.
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Post by thy9899 on May 7, 2018 20:50:21 GMT 10
Personally I think it shouldn't be legal.That's so cruel to the innocent embryo/foetus
(Except the mother have some serious health problems when she is pregnant)
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2018 3:41:54 GMT 10
Absolutely, it's the mother's full commitement and she shouldn't be ashamed for this choice if she makes it. It's certainly better to end a life from the get-go and preventing it having a whole one promised full of misery if it's something you already aknowledge as a mother. Once it's birthed you can't go back. Adoption is an absolutely devastating process for the biological mother in many cases from what I've heard. She will go through her whole life with regrets and mental-ruining doubts about her kid having it better or not. There's many, many other cases beyond rape and incest. People againt abortion have no sympathy towards women in distress, and hypocritically don't care whatseover about the life of the person once it's birthed. That's how I feel too. I don't find abortion morally wrong but I do find it morally questionable to bring a child into this world that you cannot provide a good life for, and potentially create a lifetime of suffering. It is best to terminate the pregnancy before the organism is capable of suffering. I also don't think going through the painful process of child birth and then having to give up your child via adoption is a reasonable expectation to have of people. The mother will always grow attached to the baby, and losing your child can be emotionally traumatizing and scarring. I also think saying life starts at conception is just a bit silly. After fertilization the blastocyst has to implant in the uterus, and the vast majority of blastocysts do not. That would mean 80%+ of humans die in the womb and get flushed down the toilet never to be heard of. The truth is they were never living in the first place. If a so-called "living" organism needs to feed off another organism to survive, then it is not living. This is where the aspect of choice comes in: it's a woman's body and it's her choice whether she wants to raise this organism into a living human. Other people, living or not, do not have the right to use her body against her will. Saying she must allow another organism to zap her of her resources is a fundamental attack on her liberty and autonomy. Either way, even if you make it illegal, that doesn't mean people won't get abortions. Indeed they'll still get abortions, just with much more awful societal consequences. An Iraqi friend of mine told me a story once. A teenage girl got pregnant sleeping with her boyfriend. She didn't want her family to find out, because it would have brought them shame, so she went to a back-alley abortion doctor. The doctor said he would agree to help her abort the baby, but she would need to agree to have sex with him whenever pleases, or else he'll rat her and her family out. Sure enough, that is what happened, and he also started sharing her around with his friends too. She was gangraped almost daily, until she gave up and ended her own life. That's just one story, there millions of other like her in this world. There are many who get coat-hanger back-alley abortions who either die or get seriously injured, these women are many people's mothers or providers. I don't think we should animate the unanimated fetus over the actual living human carrying it. What brilliant sense!
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