|
Post by dount2005 on May 12, 2018 3:51:41 GMT 10
It should be safe and legal, and the decision should be made by the woman, not the government. Her body, her business.
rainbow, Telso, and 2 more like this
|
|
|
Post by rainbow on May 12, 2018 4:12:13 GMT 10
Absolutely, it's the mother's full commitement and she shouldn't be ashamed for this choice if she makes it. It's certainly better to end a life from the get-go and preventing it having a whole one promised full of misery if it's something you already aknowledge as a mother. Once it's birthed you can't go back. Adoption is an absolutely devastating process for the biological mother in many cases from what I've heard. She will go through her whole life with regrets and mental-ruining doubts about her kid having it better or not. There's many, many other cases beyond rape and incest. People againt abortion have no sympathy towards women in distress, and hypocritically don't care whatseover about the life of the person once it's birthed. That's how I feel too. I don't find abortion morally wrong but I do find it morally questionable to bring a child into this world that you cannot provide a good life for, and potentially create a lifetime of suffering. It is best to terminate the pregnancy before the organism is capable of suffering. I also don't think going through the painful process of child birth and then having to give up your child via adoption is a reasonable expectation to have of people. The mother will always grow attached to the baby, and losing your child can be emotionally traumatizing and scarring. I also think saying life starts at conception is just a bit silly. After fertilization the blastocyst has to implant in the uterus, and the vast majority of blastocysts do not. That would mean 80%+ of humans die in the womb and get flushed down the toilet never to be heard of. The truth is they were never living in the first place. If a so-called "living" organism needs to feed off another organism to survive, then it is not living. This is where the aspect of choice comes in: it's a woman's body and it's her choice whether she wants to raise this organism into a living human. Other people, living or not, do not have the right to use her body against her will. Saying she must allow another organism to zap her of her resources is a fundamental attack on her liberty and autonomy. Either way, even if you make it illegal, that doesn't mean people won't get abortions. Indeed they'll still get abortions, just with much more awful societal consequences. An Iraqi friend of mine told me a story once. A teenage girl got pregnant sleeping with her boyfriend. She didn't want her family to find out, because it would have brought them shame, so she went to a back-alley abortion doctor. The doctor said he would agree to help her abort the baby, but she would need to agree to have sex with him whenever pleases, or else he'll rat her and her family out. Sure enough, that is what happened, and he also started sharing her around with his friends too. She was gangraped almost daily, until she gave up and ended her own life. That's just one story, there millions of other like her in this world. There are many who get coat-hanger back-alley abortions who either die or get seriously injured, these women are many people's mothers or providers. I don't think we should animate the unanimated fetus over the actual living human carrying it. Even though I personally think life begins at birth, technically speaking, life does actually begin at conception, as silly as it might sound. It's just that one reason why I think abortion is murder is that the fetus is growing inside the mother's womb, which is a characteristic of living things. (Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm bad at biology ) With that said, I'm not completely against abortion, but I'm not fully supportive of it either. There are cases in which an abortion could actually be beneficial. Like rape, incest, broken condom, etc. But to abort a child just because you don't want it is cruel IMO. If abortion were completely legal, I just feel like it could be taken advantage of.
|
|
|
Post by longaotian on May 16, 2018 19:01:50 GMT 10
illegal. Don't wanna get pregnant?....use protection.
|
|
|
Post by Telso on May 18, 2018 19:32:51 GMT 10
illegal. Don't wanna get pregnant?....use protection. Yes, because that certainly is in question when it comes to rape and abuse.
|
|
|
Post by longaotian on May 18, 2018 20:04:21 GMT 10
illegal. Don't wanna get pregnant?....use protection. Yes, because that certainly is in question when it comes to rape and abuse. Obviously there are exceptions.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 20:29:41 GMT 10
Yes, because that certainly is in question when it comes to rape and abuse. Obviously there are exceptions. I never understood that argument. Is the baby no longer a living human just because it's the product of rape? If abortion is murder, then isn't aborting a "rape fetus" murder all the same?
|
|
|
Post by longaotian on May 19, 2018 8:11:36 GMT 10
Obviously there are exceptions. I never understood that argument. Is the baby no longer a living human just because it's the product of rape? If abortion is murder, then isn't aborting a "rape fetus" murder all the same? Well first of all, if someone was raped they didn't give consent so it would be completely unfair for the girl to have to be pregnant for 9 months and stop work for something that was out of her control, and also the child would grow up either having one parent or knowing that they were only born because their mum was raped. I don't think that would be good for either the mothers or Childs mental health.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 3:14:55 GMT 10
I never understood that argument. Is the baby no longer a living human just because it's the product of rape? If abortion is murder, then isn't aborting a "rape fetus" murder all the same? Well first of all, if someone was raped they didn't give consent so it would be completely unfair for the girl to have to be pregnant for 9 months and stop work for something that was out of her control, and also the child would grow up either having one parent or knowing that they were only born because their mum was raped. I don't think that would be good for either the mothers or Childs mental health. I don't understand this notion of "fair/unfair" when it comes to pregnancy. Do you see pregnancy as some sort of way to punish women for having sex? Shouldn't the focus be on the so-called living fetus, and what counts as fair and unfair to it? I think being an unwanted baby or being a baby with mental/intellectual disabilities is much worse for their mental health than not knowing their father.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 3:22:30 GMT 10
@mamafrankie Ireland voted in referendum to repeal its 1983 amendment banning abortion. The yes (repeal) side won by an overwhelming 66% (as of this writing) with record turnout. A landmark day for women's rights, science and medicine! www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/may/26/irish-abortion-referendum-result-count-begins-liveThe abortion debate was triggered after the tragic death of Savita Halappanavar. Ireland's restrictive abortion laws considered a fetal life equivalent to that of a woman's life, and so the doctors were banned from aborting the miscarried baby. RIP.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 7:33:08 GMT 10
I heard earlier, Slowpoke as I still keep up with events back home. Great! Yet it remains illegal in Ulster for some stupid reason.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 15:14:55 GMT 10
I heard earlier, Slowpoke as I still keep up with events back home. Great! Yet it remains illegal in Ulster for some stupid reason. Slightly off topic, but doesn't Northern Island also not yet have marriage equality despite it being a thing in the rest of the UK and the Republic of Ireland? Anyway, I personally hope the abortion laws in Australia are made consistent across the country at some point in the future because at the moment, they're a bit of a mess: www.abc.net.au/news/health/2018-05-26/is-abortion-legal-in-australia/9795188
|
|
|
Post by aja675 on May 27, 2018 21:27:15 GMT 10
Jiz approves of this thread.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
|
0 |
|
Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 1:27:46 GMT 10
As far as I know, they have yet to recognise gay marriage in the North, Sydney.
|
|