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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2022 23:59:12 GMT 10
Boomer conservatism dominated the 1980s through the mid 2000s and then again in the late 2010s through now. Why do you think Millennial liberalism was so short-lived?
I blame social media, which gave the Christian Right an amplified voice and allowed them to retake the culture. This is probably the first time that the dominant culture (excluding pop music and gaming) is driven primarily by the elderly as opposed to the youth.
Also, the boomers really are a large generation in terms of actual numbers.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 15, 2022 0:14:29 GMT 10
Boomer conservatism dominated the 1980s through the mid 2000s and then again in the late 2010s through now. Why do you think Millennial liberalism was so short-lived? I blame social media, which gave the Christian Right an amplified voice and allowed them to retake the culture. This is probably the first time that the dominant culture ( excluding pop music and gaming) is driven primarily by the elderly as opposed to the youth. Also, the boomers really are a large generation in terms of actual numbers. I wouldn't say it's shorted lived, it's still here, slightly different than 2015 for sure but largely the same, if it wasn't social politics would be similar to earlier decades where most people had conservative leaning views on most subjects, not just a new or growing segment of the population, and there wouldn't be an overwhelming liberal stance in pop culture when it comes to most social topics imo.
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Post by John Titor on Jan 15, 2022 2:17:53 GMT 10
Op it's still going on, it didn't end at all
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Post by 10slover on Jan 15, 2022 5:03:03 GMT 10
Op it's still going on, it didn't end at all If anything it has gotten stronger after Trump
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 15, 2022 5:07:56 GMT 10
It lasted from 2008 to 2016 right? That's quite a long stretch. I'm not taking sides or anything.
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Post by John Titor on Jan 15, 2022 6:18:06 GMT 10
It lasted from 2008 to 2016 right? That's quite a long stretch. I'm not taking sides or anything. still ongoing
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Post by John Titor on Jan 15, 2022 6:18:51 GMT 10
@bchris02
not sure where you are from but I constantly see liberal attitudes out and about in New Jersey
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Post by John Titor on Jan 15, 2022 6:19:41 GMT 10
Op it's still going on, it didn't end at all If anything it has gotten stronger after Trump this
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 15, 2022 6:37:03 GMT 10
It lasted from 2008 to 2016 right? That's quite a long stretch. I'm not taking sides or anything. still ongoing 2016 to present is a mix of liberalism and conservatism. But i'd say leaning towards conservatism. I've been seeing the GP become a lot more conservative since 2016. Plus theres the elephant(s) in the room. Trump, Brexit, Boris, etc.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 15, 2022 7:56:31 GMT 10
2016 to present is a mix of liberalism and conservatism. But i'd say leaning towards conservatism. I've been seeing the GP become a lot more conservative since 2016. Plus theres the elephant(s) in the room. Trump, Brexit, Boris, etc. Explain how it’s leaning towards conservatism, overall? Even 2010s conservatism is largely different from older conservatism and can be liberal in many respects. Imo we are more still less conservative and more socially liberal overall than any point in the 2000s.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 15, 2022 8:29:34 GMT 10
2016 to present is a mix of liberalism and conservatism. But i'd say leaning towards conservatism. I've been seeing the GP become a lot more conservative since 2016. Plus theres the elephant(s) in the room. Trump, Brexit, Boris, etc. Explain how it’s leaning towards conservatism, overall? Even 2010s conservatism is largely different from older conservatism and can be liberal in many respects. Imo we are more still less conservative and more socially liberal overall than any point in the 2000s. It's neo-conservatism. Things gradually get more liberal over time so conservatism of the 2010s and early 20s isn't the same has conservatism of the 2000s.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 15, 2022 9:04:14 GMT 10
Explain how it’s leaning towards conservatism, overall? Even 2010s conservatism is largely different from older conservatism and can be liberal in many respects. Imo we are more still less conservative and more socially liberal overall than any point in the 2000s. It's neo-conservatism. Things gradually get more liberal over time so conservatism of the 2010s and early 20s isn't the same has conservatism of the 2000s. I think a newer form of conservatism, which is moderate in a few respects has found it’s place within the mainstream since 2016 but it actually hasn’t changed the overwhelming liberal/left influence within social and popular culture which has been leading since the early to mid 2010s, even during the peak of trump. Imo it’s just a matter of time before new conservatism fades away or evolves into something new, considering a lot of supporters are older or were in favor of trump. Even if trump wins again it’s all going to be short lived and if we had four years and overall culture was still leaning liberal, doubt it would be any different in a few years from now.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 15, 2022 9:18:56 GMT 10
It's neo-conservatism. Things gradually get more liberal over time so conservatism of the 2010s and early 20s isn't the same has conservatism of the 2000s. I think a newer form of conservatism, which is moderate in a few respects has found it’s place within the mainstream since 2016 but it actually hasn’t changed the overwhelming liberal/left influence within social and popular culture which has been leading since the early to mid 2010s, even during the peak of trump. Imo it’s just a matter of time before new conservatism fades away or evolves into something new, considering a lot of supporters are older or were in favor of trump. Even if trump wins again it’s all going to be short lived and if we had four years and overall culture was still leaning liberal, doubt it would be any different in a few years from now. It has because many people who were liberal before have switched sides and the GP leans more conservative. The biggest pillars of modern day liberalism are corporations not the GP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 11:31:05 GMT 10
2016 to present is a mix of liberalism and conservatism. But i'd say leaning towards conservatism. I've been seeing the GP become a lot more conservative since 2016. Plus theres the elephant(s) in the room. Trump, Brexit, Boris, etc. Explain how it’s leaning towards conservatism, overall? Even 2010s conservatism is largely different from older conservatism and can be liberal in many respects. Imo we are more still less conservative and more socially liberal overall than any point in the 2000s. Right now, the Christian Right is the loudest voice in our society and they are the most powerful politically that they've been since the 1950s. Biden is going to go down as a failed and likely one-term president because he is unable to accomplish anything in the face of this Christian Right. Furthermore, this Christian Right is openly advocating overthrowing democratic government and imposing a theocracy, and half the country is just fine with that and will likely be voting for it this fall. Trump will retake power in 2025 whether he wins or loses the 2024 election. This has no bearing on my own position on these issues, but I don't believe the general public was ready for the trans push that came in 2015-16 and that's a big reason things have shifted so hard to the right. The Republican Party was especially able to use the bathroom issue and the issue of school sports to whip their base into a frenzy. Same-sex marriage itself stirred up a hornet's nest, especially when Obama lit up the White House rainbow, and then the trans push broke the camel's back. At this point, a black swan event is going to be needed to avoid civil war.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 12:43:55 GMT 10
It lasted from 2008 to 2016 right? That's quite a long stretch. I'm not taking sides or anything. Not historically speaking. Conservatives/the boomer generation dominated 1980-2008 and then 2016-Present. The left dominated 1932-1952 and then again from 1964 through 1980.
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