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Post by dudewitdausername on Jan 16, 2022 7:17:16 GMT 10
What? The 90s were the most changeful decade since the 60s The internet became mainstream in that time frame, 1992 is a different world from 2002 And the difference between fashion and music is also insane How can you claim that 12-22 was a changeful as 92-02, lol??? The revisionism i see in this forum sometimes... Also the technological gap between 1992 and 2002 is crazy, phones, TVs, CGI, video games and computers... Pretty much every major technology experienced a rapid evolution in the 90s I mean, games went from 2d to 3d ffs, 2012-2022 cannot compare Aight it's cool ur right 💀
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Post by jaydawg89 on Jan 18, 2022 16:38:22 GMT 10
I agree about 2002 to 2012, but 1992-2002 and 2012-2022 have about the same amount of difference IMO. 2012 - 2022 and 1992 - 2002 were definitely not equal in change, like not even close lol.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 18, 2022 20:06:16 GMT 10
I agree about 2002 to 2012, but 1992-2002 and 2012-2022 have about the same amount of difference IMO. 2012 - 2022 and 1992 - 2002 were definitely not equal in change, like not even close lol. 1992 to 2002 were worlds apart with the minor things like the exception of baggy pants, goatees, very basic techno beats, caterpillar boots and beanies and bulky white desktop pcs. 2012-2022 isn't that different even if you take into account upgraded tech, trump, biden, being towards the end of 2010s fashion and music which we haven't exited from yet, and some very limited incoming 2020s culture.
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Post by mc98 on Jan 18, 2022 21:54:30 GMT 10
Oh come on, 2012-2022 is very different. It may not be as different as 2002-2012 but there are clear changes between the 10 years. A smartphone from 2012 is outdated and almost unusable in this tech climate unless you live in a third world country.
Music from 2012 was EDM, Indie and electropop. All of the 2012 hits would stick like a sore thumb if they came out today. For fashion, you are only paying attention what the millennials are wearing. Look at what people ages 15-22 and their outfits, it’s the opposite of whatever millennials are wearing. Now, millennials are old and tend to be stuck in the past in terms of fashion.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 18, 2022 22:14:05 GMT 10
Oh come on, 2012-2022 is very different. It may not be as different as 2002-2012 but there are clear changes between the 10 years. A smartphone from 2012 is outdated and almost unusable in this tech climate unless you live in a third world country. Music from 2012 was EDM, Indie and electropop. All of the 2012 hits would stick like a sore thumb if they came out today. For fashion, you are only paying attention what the millennials are wearing. Look at what people ages 15-22 and their outfits, it’s the opposite of whatever millennials are wearing. Now, millennials are old and tend to be stuck in the past in terms of fashion. It’s definitely different just not universes apart, both years are mostly 2010s and share a long list of similarities and not by any means comparable to 92 to 02
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Post by nightmarefarm on Jan 18, 2022 22:53:00 GMT 10
2012-2022 isn't as big of a change as 1992-2002 but anyone saying it's hardly any different is being disingenuous or on drugs. If you were in 2012 and you were transported to 2022 the difference would be very obvious. Not even counting the pandemic.
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Post by pumpkin14 on Jan 19, 2022 0:00:12 GMT 10
2012-2022 isn't as big of a change as 1992-2002 but anyone saying it's hardly any different is being disingenuous or on drugs. If you were in 2012 and you were transported to 2022 the difference would be very obvious. Not even counting the pandemic. Agreed. 1992-2002 was a special kind of progression but 2012-2022 is still very different. Covid alone is enough to differentiate the two years, we can’t keep acting like covid isn’t apart of the early 20s zeitgeist when it very much is. It’s exclusively an early 20s thing. You can’t take covid out of the equation, therefore 2022 is automatically different from 2012 in that aspect. Also in 2012, most people still watched cable, Obama was still in his first term and Trump was nowhere in sight, flat design was barely taking off, social media influencers weren’t a thing, social media in general was not as embedded in our culture like it is now, millennial youth culture was still dominant, POC and LGBT representation wasn’t common nor was it a topic of discussion, there was no such thing as contactless payment or smart speakers, wired headphones were very much the norm, 4K quality TV wasn’t even a thing yet, 7th gen gaming was still the norm, electropop and EDM was popular unlike today, politics were not as divided, 2010s defining movements like BLM and MeToo didn’t exist, hipster was still a thing, AI and VR were not as advanced, people still used digital cameras, Netflix wasn’t even releasing original content yet, almost all the popular shows that were on air in 2012 are cancelled now, and aside from Drake, Justin Bieber, and debatably Adele and Taylor Swift, not many popular artists from 2012 are still popular today. 1982-1992 and 2002-2012 seemed like natural progressions in pop culture, society, and tech but id argue 2012-2022 is a bigger change than both of those
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Post by dudewitdausername on Jan 19, 2022 0:06:06 GMT 10
2012-2022 isn't as big of a change as 1992-2002 but anyone saying it's hardly any different is being disingenuous or on drugs. If you were in 2012 and you were transported to 2022 the difference would be very obvious. Not even counting the pandemic. Agreed. 1992-2002 was a special kind of progression but 2012-2022 is still very different. Covid alone is enough to differentiate the two years, we can’t keep acting like covid isn’t apart of the early 20s zeitgeist when it very much is. It’s exclusively an early 20s thing. You can’t take covid out of the equation, therefore 2022 is automatically different from 2012 in that aspect. Also in 2012, most people still watched cable, Obama was still in his first term and Trump was nowhere in sight, flat design was barely taking off, social media influencers weren’t a thing, social media in general was not as embedded in our culture like it is now, millennial youth culture was still dominant, POC and LGBT representation wasn’t common nor was it a topic of discussion, there was no such thing as contactless payment or smart speakers, wired headphones were very much the norm, 4K quality TV wasn’t even a thing yet, 7th gen gaming was still the norm, electropop and EDM was popular unlike today, politics were not as divided, 2010s defining movements like BLM and MeToo didn’t exist, hipster was still a thing, AI and VR were not as advanced, people still used digital cameras, Netflix wasn’t even releasing original content yet, and almost all the popular shows that were on air in 2012 are cancelled now. 1982-1992 and 2002-2012 seemed like natural progressions in pop culture, society, and tech but id argue 2012-2022 is a bigger change than both of those tbh I think a lot of what makes people think 2012 and 2022 are so similar is just the fact that social media even existed in both, while it didn't in 2002. Aside from that, 2012 and 2022 are pretty different. 2002 and 2012 would probably seem more similar too if you could be in 2012 and watch a random video someone made and uploaded in 2002.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2022 0:10:23 GMT 10
I miss 2012. I'd take it any day over 2022. Can't think of a single thing that wasn't better back then.
If nothing else, at least there were still things to be optimistic for back then. We weren't living in an economic collapse and the topic of theocracy in the USA was Internet hyperbole and not something actually in the cards.
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Post by pumpkin14 on Jan 19, 2022 0:12:58 GMT 10
Agreed. 1992-2002 was a special kind of progression but 2012-2022 is still very different. Covid alone is enough to differentiate the two years, we can’t keep acting like covid isn’t apart of the early 20s zeitgeist when it very much is. It’s exclusively an early 20s thing. You can’t take covid out of the equation, therefore 2022 is automatically different from 2012 in that aspect. Also in 2012, most people still watched cable, Obama was still in his first term and Trump was nowhere in sight, flat design was barely taking off, social media influencers weren’t a thing, social media in general was not as embedded in our culture like it is now, millennial youth culture was still dominant, POC and LGBT representation wasn’t common nor was it a topic of discussion, there was no such thing as contactless payment or smart speakers, wired headphones were very much the norm, 4K quality TV wasn’t even a thing yet, 7th gen gaming was still the norm, electropop and EDM was popular unlike today, politics were not as divided, 2010s defining movements like BLM and MeToo didn’t exist, hipster was still a thing, AI and VR were not as advanced, people still used digital cameras, Netflix wasn’t even releasing original content yet, and almost all the popular shows that were on air in 2012 are cancelled now. 1982-1992 and 2002-2012 seemed like natural progressions in pop culture, society, and tech but id argue 2012-2022 is a bigger change than both of those tbh I think a lot of what makes people think 2012 and 2022 are so similar is just the fact that social media even existed in both, while it didn't in 2002. Aside from that, 2012 and 2022 are pretty different. 2002 and 2012 would probably seem more similar too if you could be in 2012 and watch a random video someone made and uploaded in 2002. Exactly, I’m sure some people in 2012 were thinking that 2002 wasn’t all that dated because cell phones and the internet were popular in both years unlike 1992. I even remember my gen x parents saying that the early 2000s weren’t that old back in like 2012/13. Pictures that you took on a smartphone from 2012 almost look closer to pictures taken in 2002 than 2022 to me. Pictures nowadays look more surreal
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Post by jaydawg89 on Jan 19, 2022 0:29:41 GMT 10
tbh I think a lot of what makes people think 2012 and 2022 are so similar is just the fact that social media even existed in both, while it didn't in 2002. Aside from that, 2012 and 2022 are pretty different. 2002 and 2012 would probably seem more similar too if you could be in 2012 and watch a random video someone made and uploaded in 2002. Exactly, I’m sure some people in 2012 were thinking that 2002 wasn’t all that dated because cell phones and the internet were popular in both years unlike 1992. I even remember my gen x parents saying that the early 2000s weren’t that old back in like 2012/13. Pictures that you took on a smartphone from 2012 almost look closer to pictures taken in 2002 than 2022 to me. Pictures nowadays look more surreal Honestly, 2002 felt much more dated in 2012 than 2012 does today. I definitely agree that there are changes comparing 2012 to 2022 but, 2002 - 2012 and 1992 - 2002 were still bigger.
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Post by slashpop on Jan 19, 2022 0:32:22 GMT 10
Exactly, I’m sure some people in 2012 were thinking that 2002 wasn’t all that dated because cell phones and the internet were popular in both years unlike 1992. I even remember my gen x parents saying that the early 2000s weren’t that old back in like 2012/13. Pictures that you took on a smartphone from 2012 almost look closer to pictures taken in 2002 than 2022 to me. Pictures nowadays look more surreal Honestly, 2002 felt much more dated in 2012 than 2012 does today. I definitely agree that there are changes comparing 2012 to 2022 but, 2002 - 2012 and 1992 - 2002 were still bigger. Word. There are definite differences between today and 2012, it wouldn't be fair to make it barely different, but its still not that old and is different but not that different. 2002 was very dated in 2012, they felt world's apart. 2012 to 2022 Similarities 98% Up to date iphone smartphones were like today but chunkier and bit lower res but still sharp/good enough for most pictures and social media and the go to phone to get Apps are massive Mobile games are massive Nearly identical LED TVs 80 percent same fashion minus 00s holdovers, hipster cheese, and very dated early/proto mid 2010s fashion + new current fashion. Social media a bit different but mostly the operating the same exact way minus hashtags blowing up, influencers, and Alt right/SJW culture Flat design and 2010s minimalist design across popular graphics (not referring to operating system interfaces even thought there was some progress in that direction) even if skeuomorphic and 2000s trends were still used Social Media marketing/campaigning for big corporate brands was a thing and using sm political protest or revolt was a thing LGBT support was increasingly popular with big boost of liberal views on the subject, compared to earlier years even if it isn't exactly 100 percent like mid 2010s, this didn't happen out nowhere in 2014 and 2015 Very very close to the liberal and tech zeitgeist of the mid 2010s Vinyl Records is a trend Film styles very similar 80s/90s nostalgia oriented books, toys, fashion common and easily found in major stores around the country/world Fashion getting more significantly inspired by the 90s around 12/13 Hipster burger restaurants trend still a thing Selfies which have been around for a years prior Lots of traits of hipster fashion and style even though we are past the style being popular Differences: No streaming/Netflix but Youtube, numerous lower res streaming or video movie/series sites, torrents and pirating alongside cable is big. Blu Ray and Dvds have more relevance despite physical movie media feeling like its days are numbered OG 2010s Hipster is popular and is a popular mass movement (tbh for many years after) No Trump, Covid, BLM, SJWs, Metoo, or Alt Right ( you can still remove that stuff even if it was strongly defining certain eras and still have 2010s identity) 7th Gen Gaming No new conservative right Obama No minor late 2000s holdovers Trans topic not being mainstream enough Emo holdovers Smart Tech isn't fully integrated like mid 2010s also it was also attempted in primitive ways in 2010-2012, even if it doesn't mean much Electropop, EDM, Metalcore and leftovers of scene Many people used digital cameras but up to date or somewhat recent dumb or smart phone cameras were good enough for daily pics and facebook pics in 2012.
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Post by John Titor on Jan 19, 2022 2:40:37 GMT 10
Oh come on, 2012-2022 is very different. It may not be as different as 2002-2012 but there are clear changes between the 10 years. A smartphone from 2012 is outdated and almost unusable in this tech climate unless you live in a third world country. Music from 2012 was EDM, Indie and electropop. All of the 2012 hits would stick like a sore thumb if they came out today. For fashion, you are only paying attention what the millennials are wearing. Look at what people ages 15-22 and their outfits, it’s the opposite of whatever millennials are wearing. Now, millennials are old and tend to be stuck in the past in terms of fashion.except for John Titor  , I may be a rare exception of my generation tho, most of my friends have no clue what Maison Margiela or Rick Owens is
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Post by John Titor on Jan 19, 2022 2:42:55 GMT 10
tbh I think a lot of what makes people think 2012 and 2022 are so similar is just the fact that social media even existed in both, while it didn't in 2002. Aside from that, 2012 and 2022 are pretty different. 2002 and 2012 would probably seem more similar too if you could be in 2012 and watch a random video someone made and uploaded in 2002. Exactly, I’m sure some people in 2012 were thinking that 2002 wasn’t all that dated because cell phones and the internet were popular in both years unlike 1992. I even remember my gen x parents saying that the early 2000s weren’t that old back in like 2012/13. Pictures that you took on a smartphone from 2012 almost look closer to pictures taken in 2002 than 2022 to me. Pictures nowadays look more surreal For me personally in 2012, 2002 seemed light years away lol
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Post by mc98 on Jan 19, 2022 3:10:53 GMT 10
Honestly, 2002 felt much more dated in 2012 than 2012 does today. I definitely agree that there are changes comparing 2012 to 2022 but, 2002 - 2012 and 1992 - 2002 were still bigger. Word. There are definite differences between today and 2012, it wouldn't be fair to make it barely different, but its still not that old and is different but not that different. 2002 was very dated in 2012, they felt world's apart. 2012 to 2022 Similarities 98% Up to date iphone smartphones were like today but chunkier and bit lower res but still sharp/good enough for most pictures and social media and the go to phone to get Apps are massive Mobile games are massive Nearly identical LED TVs 80 percent same fashion minus 00s holdovers, hipster cheese, and very dated early/proto mid 2010s fashion. Social media a bit different but mostly the operating the same exact way minus hashtags blowing up, influencers, and Alt right/SJW culture Flat design across things in general was the leading trend even if skeuomorphic and 2000s trends were still used Social Media marketing/campaigning for big corporate brands was a thing and using sm political protest or revolt was a thing LGBT support was increasingly popular with big boost of liberal views on the subject, compared to earlier years even if it isn't exactly 100 percent like mid 2010s, this didn't happen out nowhere in 2014 and 2015 Very very close to the liberal and tech zeitgeist of the mid 2010s Vinyl Records is a trend 2010s film styles 80s/90s nostalgia oriented books, toys, fashion common and easily found in major stores around the country/world Fashion getting more significantly inspired by the 90s around 12/13 Hipster burger restaurants trend still a thing Selfies which have been around for a years prior Lots of traits of hipster fashion and style even though we are past the style being popular Differences: No streaming/Netflix but Youtube, numerous lower res streaming or video movie/series sites, torrents and pirating alongside cable is big. Blu Ray and Dvds have more relevance despite physical movie media feeling like its days are numbered OG 2010s Hipster is popular and is a popular mass movement (tbh for many years after) No Trump, Covid, BLM, SJWs, Metoo, or Alt Right ( you can still remove that stuff even if it was strongly defining certain eras and still have 2010s identity) 7th Gen Gaming No new conservative right Obama No minor late 2000s holdovers Trans topic not being mainstream enough Emo holdovers Smart Tech isn't fully integrated like mid 2010s also it was also attempted in primitive ways in 2010-2012, even if it doesn't mean much Electropop, EDM, Metalcore and leftovers of scene Many people used digital cameras but up to date or somewhat recent dumb or smart phone cameras were good enough for daily pics and facebook pics in 2012. -If you have a smartphone from 2012 and show it to certain groups in 2022, they’ll tease you for it. -What fashion trends are similar to today? You’re talking about basic hoodies and jeans? Look at stores like Zara, F21, and Urban right now, very different from what they are selling in 2012. -I mean, same applies to social media in 2007, you post photos, like, share, and follow friends. -I think you forgot to highlight the presence of smart TVs this year where it was rare to see in 2012. -Mobile games have been a thing since 2009, it’s the norm now. It’s like saying video game consoles a thing in the 90s and it’s not like today. -For most normal people, you are more likely to see skeuomorphic designs in tech in 2012. Even Windows 8 was revolted by many people. Windows XP was more popular than 8 in 2012-13 lol. -Liberal views were very different in 2012 than 2022. We are bot talking about the mid 2010s. There was no pronoun discourse in 2012 for example.
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, I may be a rare exception of my generation tho, most of my friends have no clue what Maison Margiela or Rick Owens is