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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 7, 2022 14:35:17 GMT 10
Guys, guys, guys. There was like two phases of electropop. Phase 1 (or first wave) = 2008ish to 2009 (give or take late 2007-mid 2008 or late 2009/early 2010) Phase 2 (or second wave) = 2010 to 2013ish (give or take late 2009/early 2010 or mid/late 2013-mid 2014) Phase 2 is what most people associate with the electropop era. Although many would not add 2013 and definitely not 2014 in the list. 2007-2014 is just the broadest, most generous span for that era, same with 1997-2004 for Millennium. Imo: Phase 1 - NYD 2009(around that time anyways) to 2011. This is the experimental period of electropop where artists are finding their feet with it. Most electropop hits during this time are tied to the 00s in some way, like some are fused with pop rock or have significant timbaland influences. Electropop in general still doesn't have that squeaky clean synthy sound that it does during most of the early 10s. Phase 2 - 2011 - 2014. Electropop from this second phase are usually purely electropop, have much cleaner production and would sound almost like 2010s EDM if you took the lyrics away.
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Post by John Titor on Apr 7, 2022 14:38:33 GMT 10
Phase 1 is 2008, do not listen to Nightmare farm, I will list every single electropop song released in 2008, along
with every single news headline archive with buzzwords " is electropop the new thing ? "
Don't make me do it lol
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Post by astropoug on Apr 7, 2022 14:41:39 GMT 10
Guys don’t fight over when the era began. That does nothing productive to move things along.
Some people have different opinions as to when things began, that’s fine. Let’s just agree to disagree. I just wanted to discuss an era that, I myself, have tons of experience with.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 7, 2022 14:47:26 GMT 10
Does not matter if it has Timbaland flavor ( Danja Timbaland's right hand man helped with her album) it's still electropop That song is way different from these. Circus sounds closer to Gimme More and 4 Minutes than these two songs from 2011. I agree. Early electropop songs sound nothing like electropop from 2011-2013, they shouldn't even really be considered the same genre. The latter is closer to 2010s EDM.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 7, 2022 14:48:02 GMT 10
Guys, guys, guys. There was like two phases of electropop. Phase 1 (or first wave) = 2008ish to 2009 (give or take late 2007-mid 2008 or late 2009/early 2010) Phase 2 (or second wave) = 2010 to 2013ish (give or take late 2009/early 2010 or mid/late 2013-mid 2014) Phase 2 is what most people associate with the electropop era. Although many would not add 2013 and definitely not 2014 in the list. 2007-2014 is just the broadest, most generous span for that era, same with 1997-2004 for Millennium. Imo: Phase 1 - NYD 2009(around that time anyways) to 2011. This is the experimental period of electropop where artists are finding their feet with it. Most electropop hits during this time are tied to the 00s in some way, like some are fused with pop rock or have significant timbaland influences. Electropop in general still doesn't have that squeaky clean synthy sound that it does during most of the early 10s. Phase 2 - 2011 - 2014. Electropop from this second phase are usually purely electropop, have much cleaner production and would sound almost like 2010s EDM if you took the lyrics away. Yeah. Phase 1 electropop sounded very 2000s, as it had either ties to rock (like emo/scene), or Timbaland. And even the rap from this era sounded closer to 2006 than it did to 2014. Phase 2 electropop was HEAVILY influenced by EDM and dubstep, specifically by 2011. By 2012, almost every hit had a fast-paced electropop song had a form of dubstep in it. I think some names that come to mind when you think "electropop" is Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Rihanna, David Guetta, Skrillex and Diplo, LMFAO, Bruno Mars, B.O.B., Britney Spears (post-conversatorship), Ke$ha, etc. You could say when those artists changed their persona or attitude, or when they phased out and weren't as relevant like they were in this era anymore is when the electropop era was over. Signs of that could be seen as early as 2012 and as late as 2014. I think the last true electropop song was "Break Free" by Ariana Grande ft. Zedd, which came out in the summer of 2014.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 7, 2022 14:49:37 GMT 10
That song is way different from these. Circus sounds closer to Gimme More and 4 Minutes than these two songs from 2011. I agree. Early electropop songs sound nothing like electropop from 2011-2013, they shouldn't even really be considered the same genre. The latter is closer to 2010s EDM. Yeah. The last signs of first wave electropop was in 2010. Electropop from 2011-2013 is not the same as the one from say 2008-2010. It's too EDM when you really think about it.
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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 7, 2022 14:54:39 GMT 10
Imo: Phase 1 - NYD 2009(around that time anyways) to 2011. This is the experimental period of electropop where artists are finding their feet with it. Most electropop hits during this time are tied to the 00s in some way, like some are fused with pop rock or have significant timbaland influences. Electropop in general still doesn't have that squeaky clean synthy sound that it does during most of the early 10s. Phase 2 - 2011 - 2014. Electropop from this second phase are usually purely electropop, have much cleaner production and would sound almost like 2010s EDM if you took the lyrics away. Yeah. Phase 1 electropop sounded very 2000s, as it had either ties to rock (like emo/scene), or Timbaland. And even the rap from this era sounded closer to 2006 than it did to 2014. Phase 2 electropop was HEAVILY influenced by EDM and dubstep, specifically by 2011. By 2012, almost every hit had a fast-paced electropop song had a form of dubstep in it. I think some names that come to mind when you think "electropop" is Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Rihanna, David Guetta, Skrillex and Diplo, LMFAO, Bruno Mars, B.O.B., Britney Spears (post-conversatorship), Ke$ha, etc. You could say when those artists changed their persona or attitude, or when they phased out and weren't as relevant like they were in this era anymore is when the electropop era was over. Signs of that could be seen as early as 2012 and as late as 2014. I think the last true electropop song was "Break Free" by Ariana Grande ft. Zedd, which came out in the summer of 2014. I'd go as far as to say that most electropop songs in very late 2008 and 2009 sounded more 00s than 10s or at an equilbrium with a few exceptions that sound more 10s like "I gotta feeling". 2010 electropop is a mixed bag. 2011 onwards has a strong 10s sound. People lump electropop under the same banner but there's a huge difference in a song like fire burning compared to die young. I really think they should be split into seperate sub genres.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 7, 2022 15:07:58 GMT 10
Yeah. Phase 1 electropop sounded very 2000s, as it had either ties to rock (like emo/scene), or Timbaland. And even the rap from this era sounded closer to 2006 than it did to 2014. Phase 2 electropop was HEAVILY influenced by EDM and dubstep, specifically by 2011. By 2012, almost every hit had a fast-paced electropop song had a form of dubstep in it. I think some names that come to mind when you think "electropop" is Justin Bieber, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga, Drake, Nicki Minaj, Lil Wayne, Rihanna, David Guetta, Skrillex and Diplo, LMFAO, Bruno Mars, B.O.B., Britney Spears (post-conversatorship), Ke$ha, etc. You could say when those artists changed their persona or attitude, or when they phased out and weren't as relevant like they were in this era anymore is when the electropop era was over. Signs of that could be seen as early as 2012 and as late as 2014. I think the last true electropop song was "Break Free" by Ariana Grande ft. Zedd, which came out in the summer of 2014. I'd go as far as to say that most electropop songs in very late 2008 and 2009 sounded more 00s than 10s or at an equilbrium with a few exceptions that sound more 10s like "I gotta feeling". 2010 electropop is a mixed bag. 2011 onwards has a strong 10s sound. People lump electropop under the same banner but there's a huge difference in a song like fire burning compared to die young. I really think they should be split into seperate sub genres. YES! The electropop of very late 2008 and 2009 is just different. VERY 00s leaning. Especially in the first half of 2009. Second half is debatable. I'd say this: 00s electropop: late 2008 (OR late 2007 as a start) - 2009 10s electropop: 2011 - early/mid 2013 (OR early/mid 2014 as an end) 2010 is hard to place. Early 2010 can go with 00s. Late 2010 can go with 10s. Mid 2010 I think could ever so slightly go with 00s, so 00s overall.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 7, 2022 15:24:16 GMT 10
Late 2000s: example = Nickelodeon Commercials November 20082000s/2010s transitional period = Cartoon Network Commercials - March 26, 2010
Early 2010s: example = Disney Channel commercials from June 13, 2012 (part 1) You can see some commercials in the 2010 break are from 2009. Biggest hallmark of this era in terms of kid culture for me is that this was when the infamous “CN Real” shows like Destroy Build Destroy aired. Disney XD also began during this timeframe. I also heavily associate this time frame with Flash cartoons like Total Drama, Kick Buttowski, Kid vs Kat, Jimmy Two-Shoes, Spliced, and Stoked. You did have early 2010s shows like Adventure Time and Regular Show getting started here, but they didn’t truly become huge until the early 2010s proper (2011 & 2012). Phineas and Ferb was at the peak of its popularity in this era. I also associate this era with NigaHiga, since he was the most subscribed YouTuber during this time. When the early 2010s fully began, RayWilliamJohnson became the most subscribed YouTuber. Scene culture was still the biggest subculture in the youth rather than hipsters, as would be the case during the early-mid 2010s. That is facts! Adventure Time and Regular Show, along with MAD! and the Problem Solverz (🤮) all came out in 2010 but they were still overshadowed by a lot of the stuff that was already established that year, especially the first half when it was just Adventure Time. Like, Flapjack and Chowder was still airing, the Noods era with the old CN logo was still around (until the May/June area), Total Drama was still popular as their third season (World Tour) was on, CN Real was still kind of a thing, and I believe there was still plenty of late 90s/early 2000s reruns around that time. It wasn't until like mid 2011 when The Amazing World of Gumball debuted (along with the Looney Tunes Show) and had their pilot episode in May when AT and RS took over Cartoon Network and the new era truly began (despite technically starting the year prior).
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Post by nightmarefarm on Apr 7, 2022 15:41:25 GMT 10
You can see some commercials in the 2010 break are from 2009. Biggest hallmark of this era in terms of kid culture for me is that this was when the infamous “CN Real” shows like Destroy Build Destroy aired. Disney XD also began during this timeframe. I also heavily associate this time frame with Flash cartoons like Total Drama, Kick Buttowski, Kid vs Kat, Jimmy Two-Shoes, Spliced, and Stoked. You did have early 2010s shows like Adventure Time and Regular Show getting started here, but they didn’t truly become huge until the early 2010s proper (2011 & 2012). Phineas and Ferb was at the peak of its popularity in this era. I also associate this era with NigaHiga, since he was the most subscribed YouTuber during this time. When the early 2010s fully began, RayWilliamJohnson became the most subscribed YouTuber. Scene culture was still the biggest subculture in the youth rather than hipsters, as would be the case during the early-mid 2010s. That is facts! Adventure Time and Regular Show, along with MAD! and the Problem Solverz (🤮) all came out in 2010 but they were still overshadowed by a lot of the stuff that was already established that year, especially the first half when it was just Adventure Time. Like, Flapjack and Chowder was still airing, the Noods era with the old CN logo was still around (until the May/June area), Total Drama was still popular as their third season (World Tour) was on, CN Real was still kind of a thing, and I believe there was still plenty of late 90s/early 2000s reruns around that time. It wasn't until like mid 2011 when The Amazing World of Gumball debuted (along with the Looney Tunes Show) and had their pilot episode in May when AT and RS took over Cartoon Network and the new era truly began (despite technically starting the year prior). Mid 2011 definitely felt like CN entered a new era. I remember that summer and everything changed with shows like AT and RS being hot.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 7, 2022 15:42:03 GMT 10
You can see some commercials in the 2010 break are from 2009. Biggest hallmark of this era in terms of kid culture for me is that this was when the infamous “CN Real” shows like Destroy Build Destroy aired. Disney XD also began during this timeframe. I also heavily associate this time frame with Flash cartoons like Total Drama, Kick Buttowski, Kid vs Kat, Jimmy Two-Shoes, Spliced, and Stoked. You did have early 2010s shows like Adventure Time and Regular Show getting started here, but they didn’t truly become huge until the early 2010s proper (2011 & 2012). Phineas and Ferb was at the peak of its popularity in this era. I also associate this era with NigaHiga, since he was the most subscribed YouTuber during this time. When the early 2010s fully began, RayWilliamJohnson became the most subscribed YouTuber. Scene culture was still the biggest subculture in the youth rather than hipsters, as would be the case during the early-mid 2010s. That is facts! Adventure Time and Regular Show, along with MAD! and the Problem Solverz (🤮) all came out in 2010 but they were still overshadowed by a lot of the stuff that was already established that year, especially the first half when it was just Adventure Time. Like, Flapjack and Chowder was still airing, the Noods era with the old CN logo was still around (until the May/June area), Total Drama was still popular as their third season (World Tour) was on, CN Real was still kind of a thing, and I believe there was still plenty of late 90s/early 2000s reruns around that time. It wasn't until like mid 2011 when The Amazing World of Gumball debuted (along with the Looney Tunes Show) and had their pilot episode in May when AT and RS took over Cartoon Network and the new era truly began (despite technically starting the year prior). The Problem Solverz came out in 2011. But otherwise I agree. The overall youth culture still felt closer to 2008-2009 than 2011-2013. Emo was being used as an insult. Scene fashion was common. Scene bands like Blood on the Dance Floor (unfortunately) were still popular. Sure we were all on Facebook and many of us had smartphones but there were still undeniable 2000s ties that later 2010s years lacked (though you could argue 2011 still had some). It was also the last year before flat design started catching on. Everything back then was still glossy and skeuomorphic. CN Real was absolutely still a thing especially toward the beginning of the year. It wasn’t until mid 2011 that Destroy Build Destroy and Dude What Would Happen finally ended. And you also had shows like Hole In the Wall airing. People seem to forget just how much live-action Cartoon Network still had at this point. It wasn’t until 2012 it really slowed down in my opinion.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 7, 2022 15:58:01 GMT 10
That is facts! Adventure Time and Regular Show, along with MAD! and the Problem Solverz (🤮) all came out in 2010 but they were still overshadowed by a lot of the stuff that was already established that year, especially the first half when it was just Adventure Time. Like, Flapjack and Chowder was still airing, the Noods era with the old CN logo was still around (until the May/June area), Total Drama was still popular as their third season (World Tour) was on, CN Real was still kind of a thing, and I believe there was still plenty of late 90s/early 2000s reruns around that time. It wasn't until like mid 2011 when The Amazing World of Gumball debuted (along with the Looney Tunes Show) and had their pilot episode in May when AT and RS took over Cartoon Network and the new era truly began (despite technically starting the year prior). The Problem Solverz came out in 2011. But otherwise I agree. The overall youth culture still felt closer to 2008-2009 than 2011-2013. Emo was being used as an insult. Scene fashion was common. Scene bands like Blood on the Dance Floor (unfortunately) were still popular. Sure we were all on Facebook and many of us had smartphones but there were still undeniable 2000s ties that later 2010s years lacked (though you could argue 2011 still had some). It was also the last year before flat design started catching on. Everything back then was still glossy and skeuomorphic. CN Real was absolutely still a thing especially toward the beginning of the year. It wasn’t until mid 2011 that Destroy Build Destroy and Dude What Would Happen finally ended. And you also had shows like Hole In the Wall airing. People seem to forget just how much live-action Cartoon Network still had at this point. It wasn’t until 2012 it really slowed down in my opinion. Oops my bad. But other than that, very true. Hole in the Wall was very 2010s. I also remember it starting that year, as well as Hall of Game awards, which also aired in 2011. By 2012, the only CN Real show you had was Incredible Crew, which I think literally aired on NYE of that year and was a thing throughout early 2013. I actually liked that show tbh, way more than the garbage of CN Real from 2008-2011ish (except Destroy Build Destroy to an extent). I guess Incredible Crew was the last sign of the 00s at least on Cartoon Network specifically. On April 23, 2013, that was when the 2010s was in full effect on Cartoon Network and we all know why.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 7, 2022 16:41:24 GMT 10
Ah yes, April 23 2013, when “that show which must not be named” came out.
Fittingly, it came out just at the end of the calendar early 2010s.
TBCH I really don’t think of Cartoon Network from 2010 onwards as being 2000s in any capacity. New logo, new shows, and none of their definitive 2000s shows like Foster’s, Ed Edd n Eddy, Billy and Mandy, and Kids Next Door were airing new episodes. Just contrast this with 2008. Sure it may be Snyder-era “Dark Age” Cartoon Network but IMO it’s UNQUESTIONABLY 2000s. Not just because shows like Foster’s for example were still airing (in fact it even got a float during that year’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade), but you also had shows that are strictly late 2000s like Chowder and Flapjack (neither made it past mid 2010). The only shows that aired in 2008 that made it into the early 2010s were Clone Wars, Johnny Test, and Total Drama, and none of those are CN Originals (though still heavily associated with the network). Not to mention, they were still using their 2004 logo during that time which in my opinion is the definitive 2000s Cartoon Network logo.
You could still make the case that 2008 was the start of the 2000s-2010s transition period, as this was when Toonami infamously shut down + the aforementioned shows that continued into the 2010s. In my own opinion, I’d still say the CN City era of Cartoon Network is the quintessential 2000s era of the network. Especially when they aired stuff like Megas XLR and Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi.
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Post by bestmvp29 on Apr 7, 2022 18:00:51 GMT 10
Ah yes, April 23 2013, when “that show which must not be named” came out. Fittingly, it came out just at the end of the calendar early 2010s. TBCH I really don’t think of Cartoon Network from 2010 onwards as being 2000s in any capacity. New logo, new shows, and none of their definitive 2000s shows like Foster’s, Ed Edd n Eddy, Billy and Mandy, and Kids Next Door were airing new episodes. Just contrast this with 2008. Sure it may be Snyder-era “Dark Age” Cartoon Network but IMO it’s UNQUESTIONABLY 2000s. Not just because shows like Foster’s for example were still airing (in fact it even got a float during that year’s Macy’s Thanksgiving Parade), but you also had shows that are strictly late 2000s like Chowder and Flapjack (neither made it past mid 2010). The only shows that aired in 2008 that made it into the early 2010s were Clone Wars, Johnny Test, and Total Drama, and none of those are CN Originals (though still heavily associated with the network). Not to mention, they were still using their 2004 logo during that time which in my opinion is the definitive 2000s Cartoon Network logo. You could still make the case that 2008 was the start of the 2000s-2010s transition period, as this was when Toonami infamously shut down + the aforementioned shows that continued into the 2010s. In my own opinion, I’d still say the CN City era of Cartoon Network is the quintessential 2000s era of the network. Especially when they aired stuff like Megas XLR and Hi Hi Puffy AmiYumi. Yeah. I was hooked on CN in 2008 and none of what was on the network was remotely 2010s. COMPLETELY 2000s. Except maybe Johnny Test I guess. I mean, Total Drama came in well into the 2010s but Total Drama Island was around in 2008 and that's unquestionably 2000s. Action was too tbh. I'd say Word Tour was evenly split but that still was more 2000s to me because they still had the original cast. Revenge of the Island onward is what I think of 2010s Total Drama. But I remember a lot of KND, B&M, EE&E, Foster's, Chowder, etc. during that time. I remember the pilot for Flapjack too, which was sometime in June. Lots of late 90s/early 2000s reruns back then too (which is why I cannot see how the late 2000s was in any way the "dark ages" for Cartoon Network. It wasn't the best but it was sure as hell WAY better than the 2015+ Teen Titans GO! era of CN). My favorite cartoon at that time was literally B&M. I also watched some Camp Lazlo and My Gym Partner's a Monkey (which I got hooked on the latter's game on the website, as well as that Alien Maker game of Ben 10 which no longer exists unfortunately, and that Flapjack game. I was all Cartoon Network in 2008, with some Nick. No Disney I don't think). I even remember early 2008 when they still had Toonami and had reruns of that cartoon nobody knows about (Squirrel Boy). Don't remember that garbage 'Out of Jimmy's Head' show or Class of 3000. Lots of Scooby Doo. Tbh, 2009 was a blur when it came to Cartoon Network. I don't remember too much of CN from that year. 2010 is where the 10s influence came in but was balanced. Yeah, their CN logo from mid 2004 to mid 2010 was the prime 2000s CN logo. The one that got replaced in mid 2004 was pretty much just a holdover of the 90s as it was around since 1992. Toonami ending in 2008 does not remotely sense the start of the transition period in my eyes as they brought it back in 2012. Too bad I was too young for CN City. Earliest era I remember of Cartoon Network is the obscure and very short season period of 2007 to 2008.
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Post by astropoug on Apr 7, 2022 18:17:30 GMT 10
Toonami on Cartoon Network isn’t really the same as Toonami on Adult Swim. I’d still call it an important transitional event. Hell, you can trace it to 2007 with the Boston bomb scare, Jim Samples stepping down, and the launch of TOM 4 which was harshly criticized by Toonami fans. Or even 2006 which was when they started airing live-action like Re-Animated (the pilot for Out of Jimmy’s Head). So I guess the time frame from the start of CN City in mid-2004 to the release of Re-Animated in late 2006 is the quintessential 2000s time frame for Cartoon Network.
As for Nickelodeon, I’d say it pretty much corresponds with when Drake and Josh, Danny Phantom, and Jimmy Neutron were all airing new episodes, since those shows are SO 2000s.
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