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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 20, 2017 14:10:23 GMT 10
A lot of people consider 1999 to be the first outright 2000s cultural year, however I don't believe that was the case. I believe there are several aspects to the pop culture and society at the time, which ties 1999 in with the rest of the '90s, despite the fact that 2000s influences had already emerged or were beginning to. For starters, Bill Clinton was still the US president at the time. There was still some Gen-X culture in 1999, particularly in the first-half. '90s alternative-rock and "'90s style hip-hop" were still quite popular as well.
What are your thoughts on it? Do you consider 1999 to be a "2000's" cultural year?
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Post by #Infinity on Dec 20, 2017 17:41:00 GMT 10
Aspects of it, yes, can be considered more culturally 2000s. In particular, instant messengers were just about becoming standard, Timbaland's influence on popular music was now widespread, and the fashion was well beyond the grunge era and quickly advancing towards the brighter, more simplistic looks of the 2000s. Most things that came to represent the early 2000s were already fairly defined by mid/late 1999.
Regardless, it was still a very 90s time in other ways. The Y2K era teen pop movement was at its peak that year, and that started with "Wannabe." Bill Clinton was still President of the United States and the global era was still post-Cold War/pre-9/11. The fashion, though quite evolved from even a few years prior, still retained a lot of distinctly 90s looks such as baggy clothing, curtained hair, Rachels, and bowl cuts. Gaming was still primarily 5th-gen, aside from the Dreamcast, which came from an extremely 90s company, anyway.
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Post by longaotian on Dec 22, 2017 10:03:08 GMT 10
Imo, there were still some subtle Gen X influences right through the first half of 2000s, although Gen Y had definetly taken over by about 1998.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 22, 2017 10:19:51 GMT 10
Imo, there were still some subtle Gen X influences right through the first half of 2000s, although Gen Y had definetly taken over by about 1998. Just out of curiosity, what would you consider to be subtle Gen X influences through the the first half of the 2000s? I honestly can't think of any. You could maybe make a case for "post" post-grunge (e.g Nickelback and Creed) as being targeted towards Gen X, but that's the only thing I can really think of.
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Post by X2M on Dec 22, 2017 12:58:52 GMT 10
I agree. I understand where some people are coming from on that 1999 was somewhat 00s; however, the general culture was practically still 90s. Not only was there Teen Pop, but there was also Hip-hop, R&B, Ballads/Adult Contemporary, the variations of Rock music, Latin, Techno, etc. It seems that some folks forget that in 1999, the music scene was very diverse and that individual artists/bands were still trending.
As for technology that year, it was just as 90s as well. Most people still used the web either once or twice a week or even a month; VHS was #1 in the video format; CDs/cassettes were still in; floppy disks were used to save data; disposable/polaroid cameras were the standard etc.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 23, 2017 11:05:03 GMT 10
I agree. I understand where some people are coming from on that 1999 was somewhat 00s; however, the general culture was practically still 90s. Not only was there Teen Pop, but there was also Hip-hop, R&B, Ballads/Adult Contemporary, the variations of Rock music, Latin, Techno, etc. It seems that some folks forget that in 1999, the music scene was very diverse and that individual artists/bands were still trending. As for technology that year, it was just as 90s as well. Most people still used the web either once or twice a week or even a month; VHS was #1 in the video format; CDs/cassettes were still in; floppy disks were used to save data; disposable/polaroid cameras were the standard etc. Yep, I agree. I think a lot of people are guilty of exasperating the 2000s influences which were present at the time, while simultaneously ignoring the remaining '90s influences.
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Post by X2M on Dec 25, 2017 2:56:41 GMT 10
Yes! That's the biggest thing I have noticed in these discussions. They intentionally do it under the assumption that the new changes are significant, but they seem to be unaware that the past influences can last for a few years after an era is over. Some folks did the same thing with 2008, and it ended up getting out of control because they were overestimating the changes that occurred.
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Post by SharksFan99 on Dec 25, 2017 16:06:34 GMT 10
Yes! That's the biggest thing I have noticed in these discussions. They intentionally do it under the assumption that the new changes are significant, but they seem to be unaware that the past influences can last for a few years after an era is over. Some folks did the same thing with 2008, and it ended up getting out of control because they were overestimating the changes that occurred. Exactly. I guess it's just a natural habit to focus on the "new" and forget about the "old".
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